They shouldn't be. As much as they might've been prepping it as a surprise, Harold has been in the credits all season.

Yeah.. also there's that ^ Which had been discussed earlier in this thread anyways.

thats why i thought it would be a black baby

Fucked up ep.

People should know that spoilers will come after Thursday showing. I usually watch it on Friday online and thus don't check this thread till after I watch it because I am smart enough to realize people will be talking about the newest episodes. So if they read that I hope they read this, cause those people are fucking idiots on two points. One it was fairly obvious it would be Michael, well not obvious but well rumored for a while. And two an idiot for reasons I already listed about how they shouldn't be in this thread until they are caught up.

Well I was just letting him know because I got hounded by a bunch of babies last time i didnt signify that there was some spoiler action going on.

Spoilers, but not typed in black because I'm lazy and it's 6 pages in...

Do you guys think that Jin will be considered one of the Oceanic Six since he is off the island but dead? Or perhaps he dies on the island and Sun builds him a memorial back home.

Also, somebody on the ship said that Ben was behind the faked Oceanic found underwater with all the bodies. Do we know that that was Ben's doing?

Ben's got connections out the ass. We all know what he's quite capable of.

So we got Hurley, Kate, Jack, Sayid, Sun. Am I missing someone, or are we gonna count Jin as the last guy to make up the 6?

Wished for some mad overrun for Mike's ass kicking. :yes:

Jin or Aaron potentially make up the six, but then again it is probably someone else. I am inclined to think that the people who are after Ben after the ones who faked the plane crash. If Ben had done it, why let everybody live to begin with? You gotta fill 315 seats with corpses, might as well start with the neighbors.

Apparantly the date on his grave corresponded to the day the Flight went down, so at a guess I'd say he stays on the Island and it's sort of a false grave/memorial type thing.

I'm going to bet that's true because Ben has been desperate to keep outsiders off the island. It makes sense that we would fabricate a story that all the passengers are dead and create fake plane wreckage and bodies to cover everything up, to keep people from searching for them.

Aaron does not count as one of the six because he was never on the plane. at least that's my thinking.

fucking sweet episode last night. never saw that coming with Jin as a flashback. seriously, how clever was that? I love this writing. swerves left and right.

and yea, Juliet is hot. But Claire easily takes the cake. I love her voice.

They did say that episode that we would find out the "last" of the 6. So I am guessing it was Jin, and he died when they got back. I also was thinking the baby before, because regardless of not being on the plane, he was there when they got back from the island obviously. So why would he not be treated as a celebrity? After all he would have technically survived being -on- the island while they were wrecked there.

But I dunno. It is probably just Jin and something happened to him when they got back.

On a more twisted note. What if the thing that happened with Jin -wasn't- a flashback? What if something happened when they came back.. similar to the fucked up stuff happening in Desmond's head, but different. I highly doubt it, but it is a thought.

but he said he's only been married for two months. which yea, it could go eathier way were it could be the marriage with Sun or another marriage after that.

jin is not part of the oceanic 6....his gravestone says he died September 22, 2004

Someone mentioned that above already...But he clearly isnt one of the "6". It must be Aaron.

Or Ben could have manufactured that he is indeed part of the 6, and not just some Other guy.

So far, the Oceanic Six are as follows:

1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
4. Sayid
5. Sun
6. Aaron
7. Ji Yeon

the sixth might be michael seeing how hes 1, alive and 2, off the island

His gravestone says he died Sept 24, 2004, which was the date of the crash. My guess is that he dies sometime before they get off the island and Sun is forced to make the date 9/24 to go with the apparent story that all of the Oceanic Six give people (the story that Jack tells in the courtroom).

Also, more than six people might get off the island (like Ben) and just not make their escape public. As far as I see it, the Oceanic Six are:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Aaron
Sun
Sayid

Again though, those aren't necessarily the only 6 that get off the island, they're simply the only ones that get 'rescued' or assumed by the media/public to be the only survivors.

Saw a theory that "Kevin Johnson" isn't actually Michael, but a grown up Walt.

Aaron is not on the manifest, Aaron is not part of the 6.

Jin could still be alive. Since the date on his grave was the day Oceanic crashed, he could still be on the island, or faked his death for some reason, and Sun was just keeping up appearances by visiting his grave.

Alright, maybe it's a stretch, but I love Jin :(

He was great yelling after the guy who took his taxi.

OBVIOUSLY JIN IS NOT DEAD

How can people not realise? It's not going to be that obvious.

Sun was crying about how she "misses him so much" but there was never any mention of his death etc. etc.

He is still on the island but Sun obviously had to make a life changing decision - leave the island, save her baby, but never he Jin again or stay on the island with Jin but have her and her baby die.

The decision is easy when you think about it. The grave was merely symbolism, not his actual grave.

I love how you say its so obvious and easy when it is everything but that. He could really be dead. Remember, they say 8 survive the Crash, but only 6 make it home. There is something to that story to explain 2 deaths. Jin could die at any point now, and what we know would not change. Just because you think something does not make it true.

Has anything ever been obvious in Lost? Stop running your dick sucker.

The only two things that I can come up for Jin are either:

1. He's gonna be dead. We've seen in the past what the writers do to those who had run-ins with the law.

2. This might be a bit of a wild idea. But, what if Jin's flasbacks are really flashforwards? Sure he worked for Sun dad pre-crash. But Sun's father is tied up with the mob over there or something? For all we know, he could have went back to work for him after getting off the Island and went underground.

Lets face it guys, none of us have a goddamn clue whats going on, I bet most of you figured it was all a flash forward right up until he went to the hospital, then the Chinese New Year anomoly woulda clicked in too.

I know I did anyway, stop trying to pretend you know whats happening, especially you Avenger, pleb:foc:

Lost very rarely gives any info, but when it does, it is fact and rarely is there more to it.

If they show us Jin dies some point in the future, its going to happen.

Meh, they put in swerves all the time, and every episode has to have a cliff hanger, I don't see how a gravestone is conclusive of anything at this point.

Yeah, honestly Jin dying seems entirely too straight forward for this show.

Well the way I am looking at it....more than 6 people are able to get off the island...

Lets not forget....they are called the Oceanic 6 (survivors of the plane crash)....Juliet...Ben...other people were not on that plane that could make it off the island and would not be known as part of the 6.

Juliet is ok. I used to like her, but I realized that her hips are REALLY wide. She has a weird ass looking body.

ok dude... what the hell is wrong with you?

Penner is clearly one of those guys who acts incredibly picky but then isn't IRL

Here’s my take.

If the date on that grave is the date of the plane crash, it would indicate that Jin never got off the island and he along with many others are still on the island.

I would like to think that if Jin was still alive and ‘underground’ they would of shown his ‘New’ wife to seal it, but for once I don’t think they were trying to over complicate things, they never showed Jin and Sun together at the same time in a flashback/forward, so the theory that Jin was in the past and Sun was in the future stands

The whole point of the episode was Jin not being the man that Sun felt to need to go to another man, so you would think he wouldn’t go back working for her Dad again, as he should be of a stronger character.

Hurely’s Hair looked a lot longer, which would lead me to think he’s out of the nut house, this along with other stuff is leading towards the 6 needing to go back to the island

I didn’t see the first 30 mins of Sayid’s episode, did they actually say he’s one of the 6? I don’t know, because I would assume if he’s in league with Ben, chances are he was snuck out to carry out his killing work, please correct me if I’m wrong.

One of the ‘6’ could be considered that guy in the casket from the end of the last season.

And finally, I no longer consider any death to be legit as they have brought in time travel as an option, in theory you can now stop the deaths happening, which can be a total kop out

so apparently clips from this thursday's ep 7 are leaked.

it's too bad we have to wait awhile after episode 8 for more episodes of lost.


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black: the spoiler of micheal being the spy became more evident last week, so it's not a huge spoiler or anything.

Why and how long do we have to wait after ep 8 then?

We have to wait because the original writers have been back and writing new episodes. They were a part of the writer strike. It will no longer be the 'new writers' that did the first 8 and will be the originals. Which I feel is a good thing. Perhaps they'll steer less towards the sci-fi and more towards how awesome the first seasons were... not that this season isn't good, but I definitely liked the earlier stuff the best.

I dont know where you read or heard this, but I'm pretty sure the writers haven't changed. They simply haven't had anything in production in between the first 8 episodes and the writer's strike. After Thursday's episode, we won't have the new ones until late April.

Oh? Well then I guess it won't be different in any way.

Well that sucks a cock.

Yeah, gotta agree with RBM here.

My take was that the first 8 eps were written (and subsequently filmed) before the Writers' Strike and that due to the Writers' Strike no more eps could be written. Now that the strike is over, the writers' can return to work.

I've not heard of other writers being brought in and I'd assume that most would not 'cross the picket line' to write on a show anyhow.

Episode 9 airs on 24th April (US) and 27th (UK).

GUYS. I am the last member of the Oceanic 6. SERIOUSLY.

SWERVE:eek:

It's nothing to complain about though. This season has been as solid as season 1. Now that they have a defined end date, they can fit in all the story they want to tell in the fixed number of episodes and make everything quite strong.

As far as complaining about their being 'too much' sci fi element... that all comes down to taste, I guess. I personally enjoy it and most of it is subtle enough not to really detract from the overall themes and stories that they're trying to convey.

*shrug*

One of the 6th is Claire's baby. The preview for the next episode went through how the 6 have all been revealed now, and it showed the baby as one of them.

Great ep as usual tonight. Gonna miss not having Lost to turn on next Thurs.

Last night's episode had me laughing so hard. We go through Mike's story after he gets off the island, and it takes Sayid no more than 10 seconds to make up his mind and turn him in.

:rofl:

I hope Rousseau isn't dead...really wanted to see her flashback.

Rousseau's possible death had me laughing so hard. She's all like super serious and badass... "when I count to three, we run..... one.... two..... *dramatic pause* THREE" And then she takes like one step and gets shot. Pretty hilarious.

it really seems like they just took the lazy way out in trying to finish this story line with the immediate turn in of michael and the immediate death of roussoeau. Im figuring though that Ben had something to do with the snipers since he had that look on his face that he was going to fuck someone over when he saw his daughter with the guy he didnt like... i figured the boy was gonna die just from that.

He always has that look on his face, though.

the pause the camera gives him after he sees something that everyone knows chaps his ass

i noticed yesterday you pretty much never actually see ben blink.

To be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the captain on the boat already knows the deal with Michael, looked like he was entirely unsurprised with that Sayid was telling him, and Michael seemed more scared of the ex-torturer than el capitan. And its not like they don't give us these kinda cliff hangers all the time, the ones which are manufactured purely because they're needed but actually amount to very little when it comes to the following episode(s).

So why didn't Desmond interject when Michael was telling his story about how he got on the boat? I mean from what we saw, he would've mentioned Charles Widmore's name, and then his story could be validated.

Again it seems to me like something like that would be left out in order to preserve the cliff hanger, its bound to come up

Oh I know thats the reason, its just a blatant let down. I mean the second Desmond hears that name, he shoulda been all over it. He hasn't even told people about his time travelling, when that part of LOST is basically going to be the one that is the backbone to the entire story arc.

Starting to think more and more that the 'Adam and Eve' skeletons in the caves are indeed that of Desmond and Penny.

Dude, that's one interesting call on the skeletons, it'd be really fucked up but in a kind of strangely interesting way. I love it when they tie stuff back to small things in the first two seasons, it makes it all flow beautifully and really shows how much thought has gone into the show. I got a bit bored with Season 2, but so far Season 4 has been just as gripping as Season 1 IMO.

I think Desmond might be my favourite character at the moment, his time travel episodes have been incredible.

Yeah I dunno where I read it, but someone said that when Desmond wakes up at some point in FLASHES BEFORE YOUR EYES in season 3, he is holding some pebbles in his hands? I never saw or remember it, but I remembered the skeletons in season 1 were.

And since FLASHES, with the involvement of that old woman, I have just had these ideas that she is a guide, she was telling Des about time, course correction etc, and she was there, which means there is someone or a force existing out of time thats about to guide/help/communicate with him. Its blatantly the island/Jacob or something like that.

But ultimately, I think Desmond and his time traveling story arc is going to be the 'make or break' story strand within lost that either saves or destroys everything.

I think what we seen happening on LOST, in fact all of what we see UNTIL they make it BACK to the Island at the end of Season 5, is some kind of time loop, and there will come a point where Desmond and Penny sacrifice themselves or something will happen where they end up being the skeletons.

Back this Thursday.

They upped the total to 6 more eps, with the finale being 2 hours long.

BAck already? That flew by! Can't wait.

TONIGHT at 10

Well... Now we know why Claire isn't one of the six...

holy shit what an episode

What an episode, indeed.

are you not watching season 4?

oh that kinda sucks. you got a long way to go

Awesome episode. Smoke monster was sick.

Season 1 is pretty great, havent rewatched it in a while. I just meant it sucks cause you are missing out on season 4, but at least you will get to watch those all straight through on dvd.

sweet ep. I love the action episodes a lot more. I'm glad the main merc guy didn't get killed by the monster because I want to see his ass get it. He's the new "Tom" now. I fucking marked out when Sawyer killed Tom last season.

I couldn't believe they actually killed off Alex. That's what I love about Lost. They set the scene up like all TV shows and you think that "oh, Ben is going to say something at the last second and Alex will be saved." But what does Lost do? It says fuck the standard shit, she's taking a bullet to the head.

that scene blew my mind...no way I expected Alex to die...especially after Rousseau may or may not be dead.

Just watched the episode on abc.com

Holy shit. Ben and Sayid are practically the Boondock Saints post-island which is badass.

And I can pretty much care less about the castaways until something big goes down. I want bits and pieces of Ben's life everyweek, absolutely loving the guy.

He is an amazing character for sure.

Jacob next week. Yessssss

Ah, my DVR cut out before the previews for next week. What was shown?

Most notably, a guy talking to Locke and telling him that he (the guy) has been dead for 12 years.

sweet episode last night. Lost has been on fire.

spoilers:

I'm really intrigued how Richard was scouting out Locke from birth, perhaps a possibility with other oceanic survivors?

also, as expected christian is the man in the cabin... I'm interested to see Locke's plan to save the island :cool: pumped for next week.

Just watched.

Gets creepier and creepier.

Man, I completely forgot about the Richard character. Had to look him up on wikipedia to remember who he was.

Why was Christian in the cabin? Or why was it expected that it would be him, other than that he keeps popping up?

Good stuff. Another WTF episode. The doctor being alive...then dead was cool. Move the island? I guess maybe that's why the 6 can't find it when they try to go back? Claire in the cabin. WTF.

Love this show.

This is turning into a load of bollocks now.

I believe he's wanting to move the island back in time. Not physically move it. Just my theory though.

Well. The island has like a 2 hours ahead of everything else. Hence the Doctor getting offed. That might have something to do with it.

Just watched the latest episode. Had to d/l it cause I missed it.

Love this freaking show. And yeah, that was the first thing I thought about when he said move it. Through time, not actually move the location of it.

funny, I thought the actor who played Richard signed on with a new show. Maybe they are scenes shot before he left.

Cane was cancelled.

I need more Richard Alpert, frankly.

but Faraday's test the payload was behind in time wasnt it?

The dead doc's timing may have been more skewed since his corpse probably didn't follow that exact bearing they keep telling the pilot to use.

I was actually kinda expecting to see Claire once it was revealed to be Christian in the cabin, what with her wandering off with someone she called 'dad' in a previous episode, but yeah, its sorta cool all the wtf stuff but at the same time I dunno...That word arbitrary keeps coming to mind, I know this is all supposed to have been written already and that thats the whole nature of the show but yeah, hmm.

One theory I heard claims that Claire is actually died. That she died in the explosion or some time shortly after. Which is why asian ghost hunter kept looking at her strangely as he knew something was up.