What about Hurley?

I'm not quite sure about that one. Jacob obviously has the power to reveal himself to anyone he wants, and when Hurley told Ben he had seen the cabin, Ben was pretty shocked. Right now, to me, what it explains is why Jacob uses Jack's relatives as his avatars on or off the island.

I totally forgot about that. That is a good call.

Word.

I just hope we dont get Indiana Jonesed with Aliens and shit!

I really wish it made the "WHOOOOOOOSH" sound when I remembered some important memory.

I might even stick around for Life on Mars after Lost. WHO KNOWS?

wow, holy shit

And it's all gonna come together in a nice little bow.

Less or zero Hurley = great episode.

Amazing ep. I love Richard Alpert. Also, young Widmore was a nice surprise that I didn't see coming.

Richard's eyelashes scare me.

That Widmore thing was so subtle but inside I'm all "HOLY FUCKING SHIT"

Everytime I see Richard the first thing I noticed is that he is cleanly shaven...

So who is Sawyer's constant?

Why would Sawyer need a constant?

Pretty sure the details of the constant had to do with how they entered the island.

Really? I thought it just had to do with traveling through time.

If it's how they entered the island then shouldn't the same thing happen to Lapidus and Sayid since they were in the helicopter with Desmond?

Not sure, but it seems like we're dealing with two different types of time travel here. In the initial case it was only Desmond's mind that traveled from his body from the different points in 2004 and 1996. In the second case there seems to be actual physical time travel involved, as none of the people were actually on the island in 1954 and so on.

With regards to Supreme, I am guessing the reason Desmond is the only one who experienced the "side effects" on the island is because he was already prone to them, and so when they went off course a bit it triggered his mind to unstick in time. In the case of the survivors, seeing the light when Ben turned the wheel may have been all that was necessary for their type of time travel.

so then wouldnt all the people in the time warp be prone to the same problems and not just Faraday's crew

Maybe they are each others' constant.

Could Desmond and Penny be Charlies mom and dad?

Great episode. Love Richard. I hope he's not a bad guy. Everything is looping. Its like it all happend before. Locke told Richard to go meet him when he's born. So thats why Richard is there when Locke is born and thats why Richard asked Locke to choose between all those items he laid on the table. Because Lock came to him in 1954 and told him that he'd be his leader.

I'm willing to bet Desmond and Penny didnt just name there kid after Charlie. Unless Charlies brother was the older brother? I thought Charlie was the older brother.

I dunno total mind fuck and i love it.

They would have had to already have another kid to be Charlies band mate iolder bro.

What happened to Desmond didn't happen to Frank or Sayid because Desmond had been exposed to severe Electromagnetic energy with the hatch blowing up. The first thing Daniel asks is if he has been exposed to that stuff.

I see what you mean with the constant thing...but they need to actually talk. Miles might be able to get by with Ghosts, and Daniel has already met up with Desmond, so that could mean why Danielle is sick.

about Mrs. Hawkings...

Random, but in the scene where Charlie learns how to swim, you can hear someone say 'Desmond' in the background.

However, I think the name was just a tribute to Charlie. (funny coincidence between Charlie and Charles: same name, yet one keeps them apart and one got them together)

This was my first thought when they said his name was Charlie, but Charlies dads name is Simon Pace and his mother Megan Pace. I know that doesn't mean much at all in Lost but I think the Charlie thing was more of a homage than anything else.

I also love how important Faraday is becoming, he's fast becoming a favourite of mine.

Young Widmore was a shock to me and it was great, although I wasn't too keen on the guys acting.

Anyone else notice that Faraday talks like Jim (from The Office) does when he's keeping his voice down? :lol:

Also, Faraday and Richard are awesome. Hope Richard especially has a lot to do with this season.

Not seen a lot mentioned as to how Faraday could appear on the island back in the 70s looking no younger than he does today.

Are we to assume that the scene took place after one of the flashes had landed him there or has he been time travelling before?

I would say it's after these time flashes and maybe they're stuck in one time for a long period (as Faraday said, the flashes can occur anywhere from 5 minutes to 5,000 years).

Also when Ellie said to him "You just couldn't stay away, could you?" he seemed really confused. Then again that could just be his forgetful nature (i.e. not knowing why he was crying at the news report of the crash)

Also I would put money on what wwe2222 said being true about Ellie = Ms Hawking = Faradays mother. Especially seeing as Hawkings first name was revealed to be Eloise (also the name of Faradays rat) by the writers.

OH yeah, Nice!

Who the hell is Ms. Hawking and where have we seen her before? Is she that lady who was with Ben and the big swinging pendulum telling him they were all doomed and stuff?

Yeah. She is in Flashes Before Your Eyes working in the jewelery shop and then telling Desmond about the nature of the universe.

I think that's what the writers wanted us to think. However, I'm pretty sure that the 'you' she is talking about isn't exclusive to Daniel, she was talking about them being part of the US Army.

I think it became more apparent as the episode went on. The army had been there, the Others had killed them yet they still sent more people.

I'd bank on the Ellie = Eloise Hawking = Faraday's mother link though.

Ahhhhh... I remember that lady now.

Also, I'm having trouble trying to get my friend to understand how Locke can be alive on the island and dead in LA.

I've tried explaining that we are essentially seeing two different times. The island stuff is anchored in 2004/5 (a few months after the plane crashed) even though the characters are skipping back and forth through time. Where as the stuff in LA is happening in "present day" (3 years on from the island).

Therefore, somewhere in the 3 years Locke will leave for LA where he will end up dead one way or another - which I imagine we will see before this season is done.

Any advice on how to explain this concept in even simpler terms?

(PS Please bear in mind that I took it down the level where I said "It's like this...I am sat in the pub with you here tonight, 3 years ago I would have been away at Uni. There's no confusion as to how I'm in "two places at once" cos they're two different times.")

The stuff on the island is three years ago from the perspective of the stuff happening off the island. This has been stated.

That's what I've told him (as suggested in my post). I don't get how he doesn't get it, he's an intelligent guy.

Oh. I completely missed the part where you're explaining it to someone else.

Yeah if I were you I would just not be that guy's friend anymore.

Try using colored gummy bears?

We already tried drawing it out on paper, so this might have to be the route.

I really don't understand at what point I'm not making it clear to him how simple this is. I'm fairly sure it goes beyond not understanding and he thinks that I don't get what he's getting at or that I am confused.

I think that h-bomb has something to do with the hatch, but nobody I know thinks that.

I agree. I just re-watched Man of Science, Man of Faith and when Jack is pointing his flashlight at the walls, he sees a bunch of buckets of dried concrete. So it could be that the hatch's original intention was to bury the bomb and then they discovered the property and built all the other stuff.

I kinda figured that it was implied that the bomb was the reason for the Swan hatch (that's the original hatch right?).

No, why would we?

I believe this is the general idea:

We believe that Eloise Hawking is both Daniel's mother and Ellie on the Island in the 50s.

We also know that Charles Widmore was on the island at the same time.

The belief here is that both Hawking and Widmore were banished from the island due to some action (or perhaps left so that they could have children, thinking they could return at a later time). Many think that those two leaving is linked and thus Widmore is Daniel's father.

As he is Penny's dad too, it would make Daniel and Penny at least half-siblings.

I thought that might be the other option (no pun intended). But it seems like an odd solution to an active H-Bomb.

Holy crap.. awesome theory here.

Taken from timelooptheory as they update for the new episodes.

Episode 3: Widmore is Penny and Desmond's Child

Jan 30, 2009 by Jason Hunter
Penny gave birth to a child named: Charlie...aka Charles Widmore. Then they go back in time on the island to around the year 1930 with young Charles Widmore. At some point, Penny and Desmond die, and then Widmore grows up on the island. Eventually, he is exiled and then leaves the island, marries Mrs. Hawking and then gives birth to Penny again, creating a loop. Note in season 4, when Ben sneaks into Widmore's room in the night. Ben: We both know I can't kill you, so I'm going to kill your daughter. Ben says this because he knows that he will be "indirectly" killing Widmore if Penny dies, thus she cannot go back in time with Charles for a second time - in other words, Ben would be altering what is supposed to be written in the past, thus creating some type of paradox. This all goes back to the notion that Widmore was responsible for killing Alex back in season 4. Perhaps... Alex was Ben's mother as well?

Ben's mother died in childbirth, but the rest would be pretty crazy. I was wondering if Desmond and Penny would be the skeletons in the cave.

Yeah, but Alex was still a kid. I am fairly sure she left the island and came back (Ben's mom), so that is how she ages.. has Ben and dies.

This could be why Ben is so shocked that she dies.

Edit: You have to read the entirety of timelooptheory to get why this could work. I see it as a very possible theory.

I would put Ben's shock more on the fact that Keamy shot her on eight rather than giving him the entire count to formulate any kind of plan to save her. It's pretty clear from the way he goes over to her and cries that she is the only person on the island he loves.

What is the rest of the theory? I was under the impression that "if it didn't happen, it can't happen." So Keamy would have always shot Alex, and Ben would have never been able to stop it, unless somehow Desmond, the only one with any special power (according to Faraday) intervened.

I think its something alot simpler then we think

It may or may not be true, but 'generic/predictable'? Come on, what? How is that generic or predictable. To be generic, this would have to be a common happening. As for predictability, this is the first I have heard of this theory at all. Everyone else I've talked to has been clammering on about how Charlie must be -the- Charlie, which is even more ludicrous of an idea the more you think about it.

I think if it did turn out that Penny was her own grandmother Lost would be jumping the shark.

It would be predictable if it was Charlie Pace, because that's the first thing everyone thought. But it is a swerve and not predictable if it turns out to be Charles Widmore.

Blitz is dumb edit.

Wrong thread Blitz.

Is Christian Bale his own grandmother?

The "I'm my own grandparent" bit can work on a show like Futurama but on here, ehhh. That's a bit much.

The fuck is wrong with me.

Sippin on Jin n juice

But seriously can Ben get some fucking dialogue already

As soon as Locke found the french wreckage, i knew that was coming. I immediatly thought about the message Danielle made in french that they heard on there radios.

Was odd was discussing with my friend about Lost while it was on, just started. Mentioned three things, that Jin still alive and Ben sent lawyer after Kate (both of which were semi obvious) and that Danielle the french lady is going to make a comeback soon. He didn't believe any of it cause he's an idiot, and most my predictions are obvious. LIke all the timewarps you just think about what characters/events happened that could be reexplored now and that was an obvious one, and an awesome one.

Good episode. Nothing mind-blowing but solid.

Average ep to me. Saw all the twists coming.

Yeah, I kind of thought it was average, but necessary. Seems like things are getting untangled in terms of the history of the island.

The stuff going on in LA really hasn't grabbed my attention despite the fact that it involves Ben and Sayid. I dunno, I've never really been that enthralled by the whole Kate/Jack thing.

I hope they stick with the current time flash long enough to show the "sickness" that infected Rousseau's crew and caused her to murder them. They'll probably just tease it though.

When's the next lost ep?

Also I hope Mikail(sp?) returns :(

Tonight.

I'd love Mikhail to come back. Badass

Awesome

Loved this episode. While there wasn't really much 'new' stuff, it was just extremely entertaining.

I concur

Awesome stuff.

Obviously I was hoping we'd learn how they were gonna get back but I always find myself having a little chuckle at the cliffhanger endings to each episode in a kinda "ah, you motherfuckers" kinda way.

Good episode. I was glad they got Jin back to Sawyer and co quickly rather than dragging him out being on his own for too long.

I feel like Daniel and Richard might be brothers, or at the very least or somehow linked, due to the whole ageless thing they both seem to have going on.

I dont think Daniel is ageless. I think he traveled back in time, via the time flashes. I think he new Charlotte would die, so he traveled back in time and told he not to come back to the Island so that she wouldnt die.

^That

Yeah, I got to thinking that we would see Daniel head into the Orchid in this episode, looping round to the first scene of Season 5. Obviously that didn't happen, but it will at some point.

At another point we'll see Daniel tell little Charlotte not to come back.

I am wondering what point in time they are stuck in right now. It is obviously before the well was even built. So, it would make sense that now Faraday is in a time when he has a chance to go down to the Orchid while it is being constructed, before they even find the wheel (as shown in that one episode)

I guess with the time jump it's actually possible there will be dinosaurs :shifty:

Also I'm looking forward to them explaining about Black Rock, imo there's gotta be a good story connected with that...

After rewatching season 3, I hope they do something big with Ben's friend (The little girl who befriends him at DARMA and gives him the hand carved statue on his birthday). I get the feeling she could become a big part of the story soon...

Was her name Annie?

You really need to constantly rewatch the entire series to link it all together (when I say 'you' I mean everyone, not just Impact!).