This game looks too much like BO2...so I think I will skip it. Same thing with Battlefield 4, its Battlefield 3 with better graphics...the only thing I like in BF4 is commander mode so I might get it for that cuz I would be a great commander

I played a bit more today, still not sold. I'm not a fan of all the urban maps, the colour schemes. I think it's the sound effects that are bothering me the most about the gameplay, however. A big issue with the urban maps is all the debris and architecture, it's too easy to get stuck on stuff like a fucking moron, or be running against something you can't see. This was always a big issue for me in Battlefield 3 too, why should your guy would get stuck running against stuff maybe knee-high. He should just step over it, or fucking trip, not run on the spot like a twat. But climbing up ladders, fucking hell. I don't understand why they make it possible to slide sideways off a ladder. In what way is this a thing that should happen? Every other game on the planet a ladder becomes something you attach to, not this slidey surface you can rotate all around. Trying to get up a ladder is a definite skill in this game of cluttered, urban multi-level maps.

The set-up is confusing, I don't know what the fuck this squad members thing is supposed to be about, what does it do? It's just different avatars? What is the point? The whole thing is very cluttered.


I'd probably have been happy to keep playing Black Ops 2 if not for the awful connection issues. It was excellent in regards to gameplay and the set-up, this isn't grabbing me right now and the game latency is still a massive factor, you just can't see the quality of the connection.

While I'd personally enjoy that, isn't IW still the more popular developer amongst the fans? I've seen so many people who refuse to play a Treyarch game, but few who won't touch an IW game. With the possible exception of this one, because it's apparently selling a lot worse than prior games.

I'm not sure I'm going to buy another round of the series, but if I do, I'm waiting for the next Black Ops/whatever Treyarch calls it.

Although the recent fire sale is tempting.

I don't know about that a lot of people liked the BLOPS games more than MW 3, myself included.

The IW games haven't been as good since those two head developers left.

Yeah people are starting to feel the effects of the new IW since they launched two of the more subpar CoD games. Brand name can only take you so far, and unlike Madden riding on the brand name they have stiff competition against them - even from Treyarch themselves on the same series. IW's just a name that stuck at this point.

Agree completely except i think the game peaked at BlOps, this annual moneygrab is really showing its true colors by the look of it.

I only came to see what people thought, they think it is as we say teh suxxorz

I had little interest prior, less now. Been considering Blops 2 again, might now if people continue instead of hoping on this.

ECG is dead on. I think it's the maps. They're terrible. Nearly all urban and full of debris. Enemies are incredibly hard to make, made worse by the fact that there's a lot of difference outfits. But none of them seem to have any flow. All just square or semi square areas with a shit ton of buildings. So many firing angles, you need to look in 8 directions at once or die. On long range maps, if you aren't sniping, you are fucked.

Squad system is dumb and useless. Gotta use tokens to open more than 3 loadout slots, fuck off. There's so many satcoms (the new UAV) that you pretty much have to have stealth perks and silencers. Hating this so far.

That sounds like the same issues I had with MW3s maps...big cluster fuck of gray city areas. May pass this year and give me fps time to Battlefield 4.

Same guys made it, so we see they learned very little.

I could use another squad mate, and you'd be interest to see how things work in Battlefield. You seem like a jet guy.

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Maybe we can get a squad that actually talks. The one time i played BF3 with kalyx was the only time i ever heard anyone talk in that game. Even then he barely said anything.

If i get 4, you better speak up kalyx. Game has so much potential for coordinating different strategies with squadmates.

I speak often, must have been a quiet time for me.

Battlefield 3 wasn't always a satisfying experience for me. It often took a long time to find a decent game with teams not camping for kills in Rush or Conquest, plus the ability to pay for advantages were pretty grim. I felt the air battling was pretty superfluous as well, it took way, way too long to level fighter jets unless you obsessively used them. I used a lot of tanks and I still hadn't got very far with them either by the time I stopped playing (and I had played it a lot). When it was a good game, it was fantastic, but Call of Duty provides a more immediate experience, something that you can pick up and play. I'll probably stick with Ghosts just because I know I'll be able to get a full team to play it, plus the maps will likely get better with experience, they normally do. Battlefield 4 looks like fun but the games used for demos and ads rarely resemble what you get in reality.

I've heard the notion is that you level up several characters and then you can take them into a battle with you. Seems a strange alternative to prestiging to level up several times, in order to build up weapons on a team of AI characters who will no doubt be rubbish anyway. I don't know who this mode is for.

You can not pay for advantages in Battlefield 3.

Battlefield 4's Premium stuff pushes it, though. A lot.

You could pay to unlock higher level stuff in Battlefield 3.

Actually the weapons were not objectively better than others, they mostly had different handling. They really excel when you use add-ons that fit your playstyle, none of them could be unlocked with money. All add-ons had were a grind. The Short-Cut packs, as I discussed in a blog I wrote last year, were handled fairly well. It wasn't pay-to-win at all.

They faltered with the vehicle kit DLC, which was very much pay to win, since those items made vehicles very powerful. But even then it wasn't game breaking, since anti-vehicle weapons unlocked week-1 worked well against them.

Maybe. I sort of lost interest in it when paying for stuff arrived, it always puts me off somewhat. I wasn't happy with Tiger Woods this year letting people pay for level-up points, since it took so long to actually level up, so EA annoy me with this sort of thing.

The time to kill/die in Ghosts is extremely quick, it's like Hardcore mode from other games. I don't really like it, it's exacerbating the map issues. There's too many angles and doorways, so while feasibly you should be able to run from people to find cover, it's impossible with the speed of death. It's making the game very stop-start for me, it's jarring to constantly just drop dead before even realising I am being shot at. I hope they patch this to make players a little more resistant to bullets. Might be more realistic or whatever but it's not as fun. Battlefield has a pretty quick time to kill/die speed but at least it was offset by aiming not being straightforward from range.

ECG is absolutely right about one thing though. COD is pick up and play, and that's a big reason for its success. Anyone can pick up a controller and do OK, while battlefield definitely has a much larger learning curve. It's a big sell for the casual market, which is a driving force in the industry.

There's also the fact that battlefield on 360 and PS3 isn't how the game is originally designed to play. They didn't scale down the maps at all, despite losing over half the player count. It's still fun, but it does involve a lot of running around not finding anyone, where COD takes seconds to find an encounter.

You can buy a dedicated server and kick whoever you feel like. That happened a lot.

The maps on this one are very big indeed. Playing it today a bit, I realised it works better to stay close as a team and defend an area. I think this possible may actually be quite good when I get on with friends again.

That is tantamount to booting somebody from your lobby, which is in 98% of all multiplayer games. Hardly an advantage, and if you actually rented a server hell yeah you should be able to kick who you want.

According to Activision, early sales for Ghosts are lower than last year's Black Ops 2 although they expect the next-gen versions of the game to make up a chunk of the current difference.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=216602


Infinity Ward also confirms they still don't bother developing a CoD game for Nintendo systems when its their turn and instead let Treyarch handle those versions.
http://www.gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=216577

I've changed my mind guys, this is a pretty good game. I'm still not sure about the loadout set up and all that, but I'm now sold on the maps and the gameplay. I was trying to play like in Black Ops 2, which rewarded lightweight loadouts and running-gunning because the hit detection and matchmaking were fucking awful.

This game is more like MW2 and it has taken me time to get back to that style of play, more circumspect, waiting to go round corners, trying to keep to areas where your back and at least one side is covered. It rewards seeing the enemy first and accuracy. The hit detection appears faultless so far, so if you see someone first and shoot straight, you'll win the shootout. The fast time to kill/die means there are few long range shoot-outs so this could be toned down a bit. It feels like a battle to go positive or help your team right now and it rewards teams sticking close and covering each other. Stealth and twitch-shooting loadouts are the only way to go, however. My preferred way to play is full stealth, but it was ineffective in BO2 because you'd always be out-shot by a fast player even if you saw him first or flanked him, so I welcome the return of flank and be flanked gameplay.

No it is not.

I really am hooked now guys. All of a sudden, just realising I should shake off the habits of the last game. The colour palette and sound effects have bedded in now too.

The killstreaks seem to be barely noticable at times. The juggernaut Maniac streak is good fun but not a huge advantage from what I've seen. The best killstreaks tend to be mini-map related or revealing positions.

What do you get for sniper rifles at the start? Barrett?

Not looked. You can unlock higher level stuff early with squad points anyway. I don't even know how many of the guns are real.

I sniped a lot in MW2, but the games since haven't favoured it. The maps in this game certainly make sniping useful.

Wife said last night she hates to admit it but wanted me to get CoD so she can try it herself. I had planned on getting BlOps because I know the maps and the weaponry and it would be about half the price of Ghosts.

So let me ask, do you feel it would be worth the extra cost to get it? Any issues with anything yet? Glitches or anything people are using to an unexpected advantage? Kinda want to make sure they have those things patched if I do consider it. I was going to get BF4 but I think that may be too much for her first shooter.

And yes, I realize it has been out only a handful of days.

ROFL

Fuckin' Fangel.

Yep. Itll be entertaining to say the least

who had November 10th in the pool?

Fangry's alive again!

Does it count if i dont play it?

Don't kid yourself.

I don't plan on it, which is why im hesitant on spending 75 especially if she doesn't like it.

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Is anyone on PS3 at all? Anyone?

Well since I was nicely surprised with a $700 financial aid check, i will be on the PS4


PSN names remain the same, yes?