Observer ended up debunking the story about Cena getting Vince to drop the original plans although did hint there was another story regarding plans getting changed for the Revolution storyline.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/dajosc11">@dajosc11</a> I can only tell you I heard differently.</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/635524760919629824">August 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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IT WAS DANIEL BRYAN THE WHOLE TIME!!!

All the fantasy booking and hand wringing in this thread makes me sad. Do you guys really think the company is seriously going to feature women's wrestling legitimately?

No, unfortunately. The arm chair booking in this thread was likely done on the fly and all suggestions were far more in depth, caring and in th long run, beneficial than anything WWE will ever do, which is sad really.

I think it's an issue of everything outside the main event in general. Women's wrestling just falls under that umbrella. I really think they WANT to feature women's wrestling legitimately and make womens matches a selling point like they are on NXT but they don't know how anymore. It should be simple enough.

You can't carry a Bella to a good match, it's that simple. They have their role, but it shouldn't be taking away from the girls that can go.

Step 1 to trying to legitimize women's wrestling would be to employ and feature actual women wrestlers and weed out the models they hire and the look good first, learn to wrestle second approach they've had for years now. Outside of Trish, who was really lightning in a bottle, they've failed miserably in trying to create a face for the division.

Problem is, they're not going to do that. The Bellas are a prime example of what they're looking for; pretty girls with nice bodies who can execute enough in the ring to get by.

Unless that changes, the divas division will never amount to anything.

Putting these girls out to do live promos should be rewarded with the electric chair. Paige is so damn annoying as a promo, and everybody else is just horrific. Even Sasha, as major league as her character is walking down the aisle, can't cut a promo to save her life, and absolutely God awful on commentary on NXT a couple of weeks ago.

There's a reason Ryan Ward had these girls talking in pre-taped videos that were spliced into a package UFC style - it's what you do with people who can't talk. WWE throws them out there live. The fact these girls are complaining on Twitter about what happened on Raw as if they're entitled to a great reaction pisses me off no end.

Paige is a girl who really would benefit from vignettes explaining who she is and what she is about. Instead of giving her a live mic and talk, have her throw it down and beat the piss out of the girl who insults her.

RAW did these girls no favors. First of all -- The Bellas cannot promo. Nikki buried the idea of SummerSlam mattering, and then tried to put emphasis on the Divas Title. Becky was kind of quirky with her mocking of Alicia Fox -- bringing up shit the WWE itself had probably forgotten until they had to dig something up for her to say. Then the match was abysmal in terms of its structure. Nikki was made to look sympathetic early, which killed the crowd and any heat they could build.

They now have their biggest face star, Paige, joined by two new girls who need a push, and a hot heel act that is always going to be second-place to The Bellas. The dynamic of this story needs to change, as it's all a bit of a mess right now.

I didn't think Paige was that awful last night. Becky trying to be funny was cringeworthy... but Paige and Charlotte seemed to get by well. They should do more of those UFC style pretaped promo packages though. They're fucking amazing. With all the "Stuff works better on NXT because it's on a smaller scale" talk, that's one thing that could easily transition well onto the main brand.

I think a lot of people overlook the fact that as Paige is exposed inside and outside the ring during their shows as well as Tough Enough and Total Divas, she becomes more and more unlikeable, not only as a character but as a person as well.

They need to develop who they are as characters. Give the average fan a reason to care about the divas....

fan, Condor and Dukelorange all bring up good points.

* They should definitely package this shit better and more succinctly. It'd help if there was a clear feud going on.

* Paige is everywhere these days, and her Anti-Diva personality has kind of been exposed as a myth. She is a bit of a brat, and that busts her aura a bit. The bad booking of her since her debut hasn't helped. She could actually benefit from a heel turn and go into business for herself against Becky Lynch and Charlotte. Whatever.

* The above post is so simple, but nails the big issue on the head.

I can't link it, but The Bellas have taken to Twitter to take the Brooklyn crowd to task, and then go on to THANK the people that do support them. Do these girls not how to be proper heels?

I think damage control would lead to a tournament being started next week.

* Paige vs. Tamina
* Charlotte vs. Naomi
* Becky Lynch vs. Alicia Fox
* Sasha Banks vs. Brie Bella

Have the girls record pre-taped promos for their contribution, actually establishing a dynamic for their conflict.

* Paige talks about the crowd last week, and how she thinks people might have forgotten who she is -- she's the youngest Divas Champion in history and the first, and undefeated, NXT Women's Champion. This is her house, and she's going to prove it when she beats Nikki Bella.

* Tamina talks being a second generation star, just like Paige, and that Paige may have beaten her in the past, and that eats her alive -- because she's an amazon and she's going to prove she can walk into Paige's house and do whatever she wants.

* Charlotte and Naomi focus on being the best athlete in the division.

* Becky Lynch talks about her path to the top being a hard-earned one, whereas Alicia Fox got a job by being Vickie Guerrero's wedding planner and hooking up with Edge. She's going to win her matches like she did the SummerSlam main event, and she's going to validate her career with the Divas Title.

* Alicia Fox talks about how Becky is great at getting herself a lot of attention, and that match she had with Sasha Banks sure was pretty -- but she's not here to be competitive -- she's here to dominate. She's been here for nine years, and when she gets to face Nikki Bella in a true Divas main event, they're going to prove that the Revolution has been here for a long time.

* Brie talks about re-aligning herself with her sister, because legacy is everything. The Bellas are meant to dominate women's wrestling, and Sasha Banks calls herself a "Boss?" She just lost her NXT Women's Champion, and she's about to lose her place in the hierarchy.

* Sasha Banks talks about how great she is, and the proof of that is in doing what she did to Nikki Bella on RAW a few weeks ago -- by making her tap that title away.

Nah. I think we just go with Brie/Becky next week with a brawl after while we show Sasha in the back. Sweet booking.

<font color=goldenrod>I've completely soured on Paige as a character for this very reason. She's very sexy of course but beyond that I can't get invested in her at all. She whines way more than her character really should.

And then when you throw in the real side of her seen on Tough Enough (where she is an insufferable bitch who constantly tries to talk over the other judges) then yeah...it's tough for me to root for her. A heel turn would make a lot of sense.</font>

In all fairness to Paige, you're talking about her behavior on "reality" shows.

I've re-thought next weeks Raw Divas match:

Naomi and Tamina vs. Foxy and Brie. Brawl after. Where are we going for dinner?

Honestly, Paige annoyed me the second she first screamed "This is my house!" in that fucking horrible accent. And that's coming from a fellow Brit

Mick Foley has posted another blog with suggestions from a writer that messaged him:

“The Divas division now has to consist of independent concurrent story lines. The WWE Universe wants to see a fight. Grudge matches. One versus one. Leave your entourage in the back. That is a big match feel. Not contrived weekly variations of all the Divas put together for a couple of segments. They need a WORLD Championship. And, a WORLD Tag Team Championship. This is why the Barclays trolled their Raw match. Their Summerslam Elimination match didn’t allow for the opportunity for the final-two-competitors pop. Big difference between those two examples and Saturday night. Frankly, The Sasha/Bayley pre-match video package gave me more chills. I don’t know if Sara del Rey works with the main roster Divas, but she should.”

I think it's on point to the part where we need to start seeing some one-on-one dynamics come through. There needs to be some grudge potential exploited here.

Knew this would fail. Nobody gives a fuck about Women's wrestling. Why would I want to watch two women doing something that two men can do ten times better.

Plus women's gait. Don't forget about the gait.

Well in all fairness, it's not like it was given a fair chance.

the fuck it wasn't, they have bombarded my tv with their extra segments, they have their own fucking tv show and they got a push to spite aj lee. they just suck is all

Banks vs bayley/lynch were both argueably better than anything done on the roster by the men this year.

It can work. Won't happen overnight but it will never happen the way they are doing it now. They didn't actually change anything. They're still booking the same way as they have all these years, just with a few more divas thrown in.

Show the people what these girls can really do, and invest in their characters like they do on nxt, and people will be far less likely to take a piss break.

The fact that you just referenced Total Divas only illustrates that you missed the point.

What they present on NXT and what they've presented in Raw, even since the call ups, are two entirely different products.

Go watch the Takeover match, and then compare that match and the build behind it to what they've shoehorned onto main television, and tell me it's the same.

It is clearly and concisely, not, in any way?shape or form, the same. That's the point. The whole Revolution was supposed to take what was going on in NXT and translate it to main programming, and that hasn't happened at all.

This is my thread

to your point, i have never watched 10 seconds of their reality show because i find any wrestling related reality show to be counterproductive, protect the business, not expose it. so i find total divas dumb as tough enough.

also i don't watch their matches on NXT nor raw, i fast forward. and its not cause i see a difference in the quality, its the fact that women dont have compelling storylines.

i will stipulate all ive seen on raw is 3 teams of three coming out and yapping and its already tiresome.

Then your opinion is invalid. How can you say "the fuck it wasn't, they have bombarded my tv with their extra segments, they have their own fucking tv show and they got a push to spite aj lee. they just suck is all" when you haven't even seen anything that's been done on NXT that started the whole idea that women's wrestling could be a viable component of the company.

It's kinda silly, really.

It is of no accord, but Total Divas has already been outed as fabricated, pre-written drama that is there solely for entertainment, despite initially impacting "the Diva's title".

if you give wrestler X, lets say austin extra tv time each week and he does nothing with it, he doesnt promote a ppv, a feud, sell merch, and fumbles over his lines in promo did you give him a push and he dropped the ball? or is it the writers fault? you had that dumb cunt on there last night saying "wins and losses dont matter" . they suck on the mic, they cant go in the ring, and they are all butterfaces.

Remember when Ric Flair said "wins and loses don't matter"?

i doubt ric flair would use grammar that poor! wooooooo

Inno remembers.

Hillshire Farms remembers too.

How do you know they can't go when you all you've seen is the same old shit on Raw but nothing of NXT, where the women are taken seriously and actually given real material to work with?

Austin couldn't sell peanuts in the crowd with the Ringmaster shtick he as given. Nobody gave two fucks about that guy until they allowed him to open up and do his thing. Same goes for the Rock.

I don't even know why you feel the need to voice an opinion when you have yet to even bother watching the actual product people are clamoring for. You keep trying to say they suck but have willingly limited yourself to one point of exposure. How dumb.

If you are given 6 minutes to work a match on nxt and 6 minutes to work a match on raw it should translate to the same thing. If its good it should carry. Are you saying on nxt they get 30 minute matches? Sasha banks is fucking hideous to look at and any match involving her feuding over the term of being bossy is not entertaining. My point is yes it takes time for a guy to get some material he can sink his teeth into, a feud that elevates both guys to where you are rooting for one strongly, an ehausting title chase for a strap. Those are reasons to invest. Im asking you ray to find me a storyline where two broads have a feud that would be compelling. Whats it gonna be, she dissed me on total divas? She stole my purse? They dont have anything for fans to invest in

You sound like a pissed off gay man complaining because the Divas take time away from you watch the men perform. Sasha Banks can go and if they would let her on the main roster it would be great.

Once more, proving yourself an idiot. You haven't seen anything on NXT where they're given real storylines, longer matches and their characters actually have context.

Another dumb statement. Of course it's not going to always translate you dope. You have two entirely different entities booking the matches. Not to mention, how would you know if the same should translate, since you, again, don't watch NXT.

Go back and actually watch something before posting and making yourself look like a nincompoop. You clearly have zero idea what you're talking about