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Ol Dirty Dastard 07-01-2017 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4985982)
Remember when DX came back before the PG era and was all edgy with their dropping diarrhea on people's heads, raising the pitch of Vince McMahon's voice so that he sounded funny and drawing dialogue bubbles coming from his mouth that said "I love cocks" with a picture of a rooster? Yeah...

WWE was lame and out of touch before the PG era. PG is not the problem.



Also, that super amazing edgy storyline of HHH fucking a corpse.

Mr. Nerfect 07-01-2017 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4985993)
Jericho was super over in his recent run Noidsy. Worked in today's landscape. I know you love to be a hater of the current product, but he got a list over, as well as the phrases "You're gonna get... it" and "stupid idiot". Great character work. Clunkier in the ring but he's well into his 40s.

I acknowledged the great character work. It just didn't pay off with the in-ring goods to really benefit Owens.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-01-2017 06:23 AM

I mean he can still "go". Just not at the same level we've been spoiled with.

Bad News Gertner 07-01-2017 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 4985915)
Dont understand the lack of Flair...

It was either him or Bruno.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-01-2017 07:38 AM

Yeah thats a tough choice cuz Bruno was the fucking man.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-01-2017 07:39 AM

Id go Bruno b4 Hogan but thats personal bias. I run hot and cold on Hulk tho. But he really was awesome

Destor 07-01-2017 09:46 AM

Voted Andre. His impact was bigger, his draw bigger. Cena, despite his success, cant touch those two factors and theyre are arguably the most important.

Mr. Nerfect 07-01-2017 05:02 PM

It's not like Andre was a lump either. A good worker, not even "for what what he was." Dude knew how to do what he needed to do.

Mr. Nerfect 07-01-2017 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4985997)
I mean he can still "go". Just not at the same level we've been spoiled with.

True. I liked his match against AJ Styles at WrestleMania, for example. More so than most, because I hadn't been watching the constant Jericho catalog. Unfortunately, I think that standard of what people expect from Jericho does set the bar high for him. He's never been a dude associated with mediocre ring work. Other guys can lose all the steps they want in the ring and still manage to keep the essence of who they are as a wrestler in-tact. Jericho's is too largely chained to being able to "go," in my opinion.

It's not like he sucks or anything, but it's always going to leave a dampness over a match when people are conditioned to expect ***1/2 or **** performances every match he has. The pay-off to the angle is going to be that match, and if that match disappoints, he's not going to have the effect intended.

Emperor Smeat 07-01-2017 09:29 PM

Cena although for similar reasons to a couple other matchups of this type in the past. Just seen a ton more of his stuff and when it occurred for a personal connection (good and bad) while almost all of Andre's career and best stuff was before my time watching wrestling.

Andre is a very deserving legend in the WWE and in wrestling but just don't have a real strong personal connection/feeling to his work overall to vote for him.

Nicky Fives 07-02-2017 04:52 AM

Perhaps the biggest draw in the history of the business. Andre.

Rammsteinmad 07-02-2017 12:29 PM

John Cena.

Andre was the way before my time (started watching in 1992 at the age of five), and what I've seen of Andre hasn't really entertained me.

Blonde Moment 07-02-2017 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 4986244)
John Cena.

Andre was the way before my time (started watching in 1992 at the age of five), and what I've seen of Andre hasn't really entertained me.

Andre was a 20 year vet by then and pretty much close to death and he still could draw...

Shisen Kopf 07-02-2017 10:20 PM

Lex luger is behind the death of Andre im sure of it. Andre the Giant should beat everyone in the better rassler contest except Hogan bc he slammed him at Rasslemania 3.

Blue Demon 07-03-2017 09:15 AM

Not much of a doubt in my mind....Andre. One of the greatest ever, and the best big man. He could draw, work and had a great presence.

Black Widow 07-04-2017 11:39 AM

Gorilla boy shouldn't even got this far.

Bad News Gertner 07-04-2017 01:31 PM

Oh shit I forgot to vote

Bad News Gertner 07-04-2017 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 4985915)
Dont understand the lack of Flair...

Koko B Ware was more recognizable to the average person than Flair was during Flair's major run

DAMN iNATOR 07-04-2017 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4986925)
Oh shit I forgot to vote

Smooth move, Ex-Lax. :roll::p

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-04-2017 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4986926)
Koko B Ware was more recognizable to the average person than Flair was during Flair's major run

In the Northeast.

Bad News Gertner 07-05-2017 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4986963)
In the Northeast.

Nationwide.

Mr. Nerfect 07-05-2017 03:06 AM

I'm curious to hear that debate. Just how recognizable was Flair? I personally wonder how far it got, because when people talk about him, they still spell his name as "Rick." He seems more "obscure" a reference.

Sixx 07-05-2017 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4987374)
I'm curious to hear that debate. Just how recognizable was Flair? I personally wonder how far it got, because when people talk about him, they still spell his name as "Rick." He seems more "obscure" a reference.

He's quite recognizable. If people in Poland (well, not that many but still) recognize him I'd say that's quite something.

Most people here ever heard of Hogan, but I know a few people that heard of Flair even if they haven't seen wrestling at all.

Mr. Nerfect 07-05-2017 03:46 AM

Interesting. The wrestlers I had heard of pre-fandom were Hogan, Andre, Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Rikishi, Kane, Mankind, Kevin Nash, Kane, Mr. Ass and Goldberg.

Destor 07-05-2017 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4987319)
Nationwide.

Absolutely not nation wide. The South was always NWA/WCW country. From TX to VA was a stronghold. You couldnt get around with out hearing about it.


This is not hear say. This was how it was until Steve Austin.

Mr. Nerfect 07-05-2017 11:38 AM

I legitimately wish I had more to contribute on the subject, but I've never really appreciated the impact of the NWA/WCW historically until recently, due to the smearing of Vince McMahon's narrative over everything.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-05-2017 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 4987464)
Absolutely not nation wide. The South was always NWA/WCW country. From TX to VA was a stronghold. You couldnt get around with out hearing about it.


This is not hear say. This was how it was until Steve Austin.

Tgfd. Thank god for Destor.

Emperor Smeat 07-05-2017 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 4987464)
Absolutely not nation wide. The South was always NWA/WCW country. From TX to VA was a stronghold. You couldnt get around with out hearing about it.


This is not hear say. This was how it was until Steve Austin.

Vince also learned this the hard way when he caused the "Black Saturday" incident to occur which generated massive backlash from wrestling fans in the South who didn't like WWF style wrestling. Probably the first time Vince realized his growing wrestling empire wasn't as dominating as he thought at the time.

Ol Dirty Dastard 07-05-2017 06:52 PM

It would make sense that this would change with Austin, as his roughneck style would go over well in the South.


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