I agree. Like, wrestling is supposed to be a work, and in that work Taker is one of the greatest of all-time. And you're not supposed to be offended if he is called the greatest of all-time. WrestleMania is the show of shows, and Taker is supposed to be the guy at the show of shows. And that's generally accepted by the fans, the company, the talent, etc.

That being said, my point is just that I wonder how effective that branding is to the layperson. Coca-Cola could release another new flavored Coke and get everybody in house to talk about how delicious it is and keep it on the market for years and years and years and talk about what a staple of everybody's diet it should be, but at the end of the day they don't really get to dictate its success to the market.

That's a really weird example, because Coke would very quickly do what they did with New Coke and scrap it. But that's sort of what I am getting at: Maybe Taker should have been scrapped like New Coke, but no one really talks about that because we all sort of buy into the in-house propaganda too much.

First ballot Hall of Famer in a legit sense all the way, don't get me wrong. His longevity, significance (like Triple H, he's got to be considered significant even if you don't consider him effective) and the fact that his name is attached to some classic matches and moments will see to that. I'm just playing devil's advocate and looking at the case against Taker, which is a lot stronger than a lot of people around wrestling -- both inside the business and out -- really consider.

Nope, its ok looking good, but that facade is gone 5 minutes into his matches when he's reaching for the oxygen tank. Maybe if he competed at 1991 Undertaker speed he could put on something decent without looking like he's seconds away from literally becoming a dead man.

If Undertaker comes out and chokeslams someone in a segment I suppose that would be 'ok'...but also not needed...WM33 felt like a good send-off.

WM30 was more than enough.

I'd be pretty interested in Undertaker vs. Samoa Joe inside Hell In A Cell at WrestleMania.

You can't be serious.

Either that or Undertaker vs. AJ Styles in a WWE Title match. Leaning towards Taker vs. Joe inside Hell In A Cell though. I could see Joe attacking Taker during his entrance and if he tries to symbolically suggest his retirement again Joe could just jump him again and destroy him until he's stretchered out.

I was thinking since at Mania 32 Taker left his gloves in the ring and last year he left his hat, jacket, and gloves in the ring, this year Samoa Joe could knock out the undertaker and strip him naked and rape him in the middle of the ring and leave his tights in the ring to symbolically signify the end of the deadman.

This would absolutely make Samoa Joe and then he could be a fresh rival for Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar having also beaten Taker at Mania. Would also set up a Samoa Joe-Kane feud as Kane would seek revenge for Joe raping his brother in the middle of the ring in front of 75,000 people at WrestleMania.

Well, if rape is involved - I'm in.

Would raping Undertaker be considered necrophilia?

That would absolutely add a new layer into Samoa Joe's character. He could be what Bray Wyatt tries to be... until ultimately Samoa Joe could rape him too and maybe make him dress as a woman and be his valet. Perhaps that's where Bray could turn into Sister Abigail.

You must have a fantasy of getting the DONG up your ass

HBK and Taker went at it twice. 25 being the first (and maybe best match ever), and 26 bearing extreme pertinence to the career of a possible GOAT in HBK.

I'm somehow a little less annoyed to see Taker than I am to see Kane these days, but either way brings me great sadness.

If its wrong, I dont want to be right. :naughty:


This coversation is silly. Taker should stay out of the ring. There is nothing for him at this point. Him losing at Mania doesnt help anyone any more and Him winning doesnt change anything either. Put him in the HOF and call it done

ugh... fucking Kane. Dat wig.

Agreed, Kane is such a sad decline. Taking his mask off was the beginning of the end, yet he's had the mask off way longer than on. He has jobbed too much for too long he's almost more irrelevant than the Big Show.

I like and respect Taker...but I think his retirement should've happened a few years ago. He's one of my favourites, but his glory days are well behind him and more would only serve to tarnish his legacy.

I had my first ever rasslin dream last night and Braun destroyed taker in a minute at WM. Think I need to lay off wrestling if I dream about it.

It's not like there's a ton of better stuff to dream about.

I remember this goign around after mania:

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That's kinda cool, though.

His shtick got old years ago.

How the fuck do you want me to believe he doesn't bite? He should fucking bite if he wants to be a zombie. So many rasslers do not know when to quit. He's just too old for that shit.

Taker's time in the biz has passed.

Maybe I'll be a douche like HB2K and write a book about Undertaker's wrestling career and completely ignore Kane.

Do it. We need a good rasslin book for once