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In fact if he looked like Seth or Finn I would presume he would be trading wins with Dolph Ziggler. Vince is either gonna give a chunkier guy who looks different good treatment or Bastien Booger treatment. No in between. Owens gets booked well compared to the rest of his cohort. He is a constant focal point.

If you put Owens in Seth's body then he is the new face of the company. If you put Seth in Owens body then you have someone who is barely a mid card wrestler. And I like Seth Rollins more than anyone.

Unless WWE drastically changed their booking habits, they'd likely just be in the same positions they are in now but with a body swap.

Finn Balor has a better looking body than both guys and is just an inch shorter than Owens yet he's been stuck in terrible or filler feuds and as squash material for Kane.

Finn Balor looks like a kid.

Yeah, I doubt they care what color the ring ropes are this week.

Lol. Really Destor?

I’ve never understood the hate on Owens’ look. Some of the most bad ass guys in wrestling have been “big”

If he’s held back by anything at all, it’ll be by the shitty booking and/or Vince’s fickle point of view

Same goes for people who say they don’t “buy” certain wrestlers because they look like a normal Joe they feel they could take on in a real fight. I guarantee no one who makes this claim could really take on someone like Fin Balor, but they suspended disbelief enough to think they’d have chance against one of these guys, but not enough to just sit back enjoy a fucking match for what it is

He's early UFC Tank Abbott who was one of the most popular fighters of the early era. Nothing wrong with that.

I just think it could be argued that Owens looks unhealthy. It is the big gut and flabby, pasty arms that hurt his image. His attire is also pretty terrible.

People on here criticised Sting for wrestling in a t-shirt when he was over 50, for example.

As for Tank Abbott, he was radically and emphatically left behind.

But he doesn't look like a bad-ass...

Whether or not someone can actually take someone in a fight doesn't change the perception of them. It's a perception business. Guys who look worse might be perceived as tougher, and that's more power to them.

I generally hate non-traditional attire too. I hate Cena wearing the shorts. It just makes me feel that it's not being taken seriously by them, you know? You don't need to over-analyze to get that feeling. It's like someone running a marathon in a silly costume to me. I dunno, just can't take many guys who wrestle in street gear "seriously."

Honestly think Owens' biggest problem is charisma. He can talk and wrestle, but he just doesn't have that "it." I can already feel people getting angry about me saying it, but I just feel that he doesn't have that larger-than-life in him.

Controversial opinion: I think Kevin Owens could be the greatest manager of all-time.

That's true of a large portion of the roster, if not most of them.

It's hard to tell with the scripted promos. You can obviously see something behind it, but it's difficult to gauge the extent of what they're capable of when they're reading focus group approved drivel every week.

MORE CONTROVERSY: Elias has the most charisma on the Raw roster.

Maybe since the Miz left.

Ambrose is way more charismatic.

Oh yeah, how could I forget Miz?

Let me retract that a bit and say that Elias has a good amount of charisma.

I definitely think this is true. Owens can talk really well, and he does the scripted promos better than almost everybody, but it's still hard to really believe or invest in what is coming out of him. Like a dude with genuine charisma would come along and say "You're fat" and Owens would be done in the trash talking department.

Don't know about most, but I saw him in NXT and thought he had something. Not sure how I feel about the gimmick and haven't watched him on the main roster yet.

Somehow, he works better on the main roster than I feel he did in NXT.

I've only seen him in NXT, but that was pre-Drifter. I imagine Vince just seems to get that gimmick more, or that Elias is just one of those dudes that is supposed to be in front of crowds like that.

He was the Drifter in NXT too. Not sure how you mean.

I feel like the NXT crowd didn't like the gimmick. Or they were just trying to "get themselves over" or whatever.

I agree that he works better on RAW. He's gotten a lot better in-ring since being brought up too. Big fan.

Hasn't someone made a fat joke already? Could have sworn they did.

Also, dunno about that last part. Owens seems very creative and quick witted. Could see him turning it around on someone easily.

Randy Orton did on Twitter. And I think someone called him Cartman on Smackdown too.

Like before he got the gimmick. He was in a tag team with Mike Rawlis or something, haha.

He's quick on the mic, but I don't think it would matter to someone with genuine charisma. I think they could just slam him down. Just my speculative opinion on the matter.

Imagine Owens trying to be sharp with The Rock. Calling him "Dwayne" or talking about his movies. The Rock could just say "Go take a shower, fat boy" and that would be it for Owens. It's the example I always use, but it's the most direct and obvious I can think of. The Rock would just shred him on the mic.

Given his current character, getting "owned" on the mic would, unfortunately, be appropriate. He could respond by being a whiny bitch and it would work for the character. Of course, the character is not exactly ideal for him in the first place...

If he was booked like a legit badass who doesn't look the part (like the Tank Abbott comparison Gertner has made a few times), he could easily just come back with "You spend all your time working on your body to impress your superficial fans. Just imagine how embarrassing it would be to have to use those vanity muscles to pick yourself up off the ground after this 'fat boy' does what he does best and leaves you laying like the loudmouth pretty boy you are."

That's pretty good, actually. I wouldn't buy it because I don't buy Owens, but content-wise that is very good.

Kevin Owens' weight doesn't hold him back.

The dude just isn't interesting enough to warrant being a top guy.

What a stupid fucking thread. Bunch of 5 year olds posting here.

Owens persona wouldn't "work" if he looked like Seth or Cody Rhodes. His thing is he's a whiny, chubby indy guy who makes Smark references to pop the ROH/PWG crowd. The weight is part of the gimmick