Yep, you certainly are.

We got your opinion that message boards aren’t mandatory. No one is arguing. We’re moving on.

See, I knew you'd get there.

Who's we?

I hate that tactic. The old "We" when it's just me and you. Gated community style.

I’m under no obligation to answer your question. Moving on.

What the fuck just happened?

We had a lot of discussion about if message board questions require a response, and very little discussion about why Raw is better than the Kardashians.


My position on both remains unchanged.

Sorry for ruining your Black Panther party.

I couldn't help myself, I was having too much fun.

This isn't true, BET plays the shit out of Martin and it's way better than current Raw.

My enjoyment of Raw has increased exponentially since I can't watch live and I just watch the condensed Hulu version. Seems to trim a lot of the fat. I don't know exactly what I'm missing, but I guess that means I'm not missing anything.

I don't miss the commercials, at allllllllll

It also kinda helps me to enjoy the program when I'm not chatting about it on a message board where hardly anyone enjoys hardly any of it. No offense.

This really is the best way to watch RAW.

RAW!

What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing.

Raw is War. Full circle.

I'm not fan of the Kardashians, but I guarantee it is better produced than Raw. Like, the content isn't for me, but there's no way it's worse than Raw, lol.

Nope.

:lol:

I also meant to quote #1-wwf-fan's comment about rather getting a parking ticket than watch Baron Corbin. That was great.

you also lack in good taste.

I think the only times I’ve really enjoyed watching WWE over the past few years is when I’ve watched it with others who hardly enjoy any of it and we watch it MST3K style. The handful of times I’ve tried to just watch alone, it’s been a chore.

I was watching the Royal Rumble with one of my roommates and his girlfriend, and they were mostly making fun of it. It was a lot more fun than talking about how the booking was stupid and how Vince is out of touch or whatever.

I’ve watched with a few casuals, and what’s surprised me as a recurring theme is how many
Of them hate Dolph Ziggler. “Hate” might be a strong word, but most of them found him really annoying.

It's probably his hair.

They didn’t like his hair! They often didn’t like his cool, in general. One of these times around the time he was wearing the paint on his face. I’ve heard him called a “freak” and a “try-hard.

When did he wear face paint?

I used the wrong term. He used to do the commando streaks on the face for a while there, like Rambo or something.

On a related note, does anyone actually miss Ziggler? It really doesn’t seem to matter that he’s gone, and I can’t think of an interesting thing I’d have him do.

I've watched the show with other people where we've done the same thing and there's some merit to what you're saying. Unfortunately, RAW is a weekly 3 hour show on a Monday and you can't always have your friends over to rip the shit out of it.

Also, wrestling's quality can go far beyond "cheesy show my friends hate-watch with me."

It can actually just be good and not the fucking worst thing ever.

Again, I watch house shows from 1984 where the in-ring quality is horrendous and I'm 100% sure most people here would hate it. Yet I love it. So I just don't think your point holds any weight. More just seems like you're propping yourself up on a pedestal for being better at watching wrestling than other people (surprise, surprise).

Not liking the current state of wrestling doesn't have to do with other people not liking it. It has to do with the fact that it sucks.

I just don’t get how watching it with people “making fun of it” is fun but when they shit on the booking, THAT’S the line.

Thrilla is just taking an anti-cynicism approach. In reality, I'm not a cynical person either. But when you are trying to get some legitimate and sincere enjoyment out of pro-wrestling in 2019, it's a fucking hard disposition not to take, and it's not fans' fault for thinking it sucks. Especially when the only way to enjoy it yourself is with people mocking it.

I don't know if it has gotten any better than it used to be since i got rid of Hulu years ago (Seriously, why charge people for a commercial-free experience, then keep charging them but add commercials as well? Defeats the purpose of me giving you money, dickheads!), but they used to trim too much of the fat much like AM RAW. They would crop commercials (with a big fucking asterisk, see my previous bitch about that), and if you didn't care for the pomp and circumstance, all the entrances were gone as well... but then they would also cut some backstage segments, sections of matches, and sometimes even entire matches that could fuck up context, like that missing match being an important angle setup for next Monday, but you won't know what that person is talking about when they say "remember what you did to me last week?"

Sometimes, some of that stuff cropped could be as important as the matches themselves, and you're leaving it in the hands of a production crew to arbitrarily decide what was "must see" for the sake of brevity.

What I'm getting at is, hopefully in your case, they aren't making a bad show worse by bad editing.

They aren't getting strangers to marry each other for the enjoyment of an audience.

They don't give somebody a briefcase and make them open others to find out how much money they could win.

They don't glorify three useless women and the rest of their family and elevate them to superstar status because their original dad got OJ Simpson off of murder chargers.

Whatever Crissley knows best and the spinoffs are.

They once did a horribly acted skit that parodied a Jerry Springer episode as a prank on Jerry Springer to no ones enjoyment.

They give people briefcases that allow them to pin half dead people to win titles.

They glorify plenty of useless people. The fact that they don’t have the ability to elevate any of them to stardom isn’t exactly a point in their favour.

You’re gonna have to try WAY harder if you want to convince people WWE is above any of these shows you’re referencing.

Vince would fucking jump at the chance to have a Kardashian on his show. It’s just more cost-effective to have Grumpy Cat guest host.

One, I was going to mention MitB, and Fan bet me to it.

Two, you shut your goddamn mouth about Deal or No Deal! Watching people throw away life-changing money just for the chance of a larger amount of life-changing money is schadenfreude-tastic!!!

The same could easily be said of that entire Bella Twins feud...wasn't it just some horribly contrived "blood feud" to try and drive up ratings for Total Bellas?

Oh yeah. The Bella blood feud that ended when Brie was forced to be Nikki’s slave for a month and before the month was even over, they were randomly friendly again with no explanation.

Seriously, that is some shitty writing that is unrivalled by anything else on TV. If you just TRY to tell a logical story, you’ve got that beat.

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more WWE really creeps down there. It doesn’t even achieve what it sets out to do. The only thing I will say is that TNA is still on TV, if you count it’s channel with under 60,000 viewers TV.

lol you are such a fuckwit. I love that your ego won't allow you to admit that the kardashians are better t.v. than the WWE. You're a sad, semen-encrusted man.

lol and this was AFTER Nikki had wished that her own twin had died in the womb