I agree with you that both Justin Timberlake and Usher are pretty respected people and entertainers, and that is part of the reason that I am finding it so weird that this thread has turned into an attack on Gwen Stefani. From the image I get of her she is on the same level as people like Justin and Usher, and like I have said throughout the thread I think that mainstream america obviously agrees.

hahahaha word....but they will still take the grammys home and dominate trl(does anyone still watch that )

I'm not trying to. You can be the mopingest bitch on the planet for all I care. Your random pre-fab rants about safe music industry topics are cute, but nothing I have any interest in emulating. I have enough reasons to argue about pop music without resorting to clichéd, semi-accurate pissing and moaning over the nature of respect in terms of pop music.

From reading the rest of this thread, BCWWF is acting like a 14 year old girl.

As for the debate. Gwen Stefani was a part of quite a big band as far as being world recognised and popularity are concerned. The older, more hardcore fans of No Doubt I'm guessing are in favour that she's been transformed into a pop barbie doll, so as far as respect goes with them, I would say it's not great.

BCWWF is trying to say that "she is the most respected woman in the popular music industry, but the popular music industry only plays music for a certain population." The popular music industry is trying to focus its material to the biggest population possible though, since the music is constantly played on MTV and radio. So saying that some people can't have an opinion on the American "Pop Culture" just because they seem to be in favour of other music is a load of crap, because we all see and hear it at some point or another, and we have a right to critique it.

The pop industry includes people like Eminem, Alicia Keys, Usher and such, even though they are not pop per-say.

Personally I love No Doubt and I thought 'What are you waiting for' was an awesome pop song.

Gewn Stefani is less musically talented than Usher or Justin. Gwen was the least talented member of No Doubt, unless you count being cute as a talent.

Since going solo, her work has had the musical value of half a lindsey lohan album. The stuff with the japanese girls is just sad and weird.

Randy Millholland summed up my feelings about her new "image" in this comic strip

http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp04272005.shtml

:y:

One could agrue that Mariah Carey was most "respected" by popular culture when she was married to a Sony Music Executive. It may be a terrible coincidence, but one has to wonder whether all the media hype for the masses is being bought off by music executives.

How many times do we see a great movie review for a film that utterly stinks? People buy into it. You can't tell me that some of those movie critics are not on the take.

They're not random if they pertain to the topic, which is how BCWWF finds Gwen Stefani to be the most respected artist in the narrow confines of his view of the pop world.

I'm not moaning about anything, I pay little heed to that type of music and it doesn't bother me, I merely commented on the nature of the attention and critical focus of the tabloid media on such artists as those BCWWF has been mentioning.

I wouldn't be saying this if you hadn't taken it upon yourself to make a fairly needless and ridiculous personal aside towards me. It's like you feel you need to do it every so often to give yourself a little boost. Invent an arguement that doesn't exist, in other words.

No Doubt hasn't been even remotely listenable since 1992.

You call "Hollaback girl" some sort of display of musical talent? Holy...shit.

what jokes

Without reading anything but the topic title, No.

Madonna

Also Alicia Keys anyone?

I would say Stevie Nicks but I don't want her name to be mentioned with Gwen Stafani (sic).

When I compiled a list, I went for contemporary acts. I considered Madonna, but in terms of pop culture, she's more a joke than ever before. She's one lawsuit away from tying Michael Jackson.

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/arc...30_170444m.jpg

Hmmm, no. And her music sucks also.

I blame all of you for getting that Hollaback Girl thing stuck in my head now. Thanks a lot. XD

As far as being respected: not really. Hyped to HELL and back: DEFNITLY!!

I'm wondering when bands like NOFX and Anti-Flag will get some respect.

Joss Stone is the only female artist who comes to mind and has virtually no critisism against her from anyone.

She is far more respected than Gwen. She is not only the only pop star, but the only pop star of the last 5 year and the only femalepop star of the last 5 years to make it into nearly all of my friends CD collections.

Brody Dalle is the most credible pop star in my eyes, i push alot into the pop pursuasion these days because sugar coat it all you want, you have to hear music from somewhere to like it, and it is usuallya mass media source such as radio, tv or cd. If you are popular, you are a pop star.

I don't believe that there is ever a right and wrong in a musical argument. If the songs are bad, people don't listen to them. You may not personally choose to listen to something, but you can't sit and devalue its credits, for instance, Whatcha Waiting For has a catchy hook and shows off Gwens vocal talents, which I believe she has. May not be straight forward sing to the melody stuff, but takes talent.

I personally think the listed bands which most of you posters time after time rave about, are not good to listen to, and you have all learned to have the same opinion and in many ways trained yourselves to like them, because I don't like them, doesn't mean I dont think they are talented, its just my taste.


All in all, Im saying that Gwen isn't shit, you people just don't like her.

Everyone looks into music too much. Fact is people such as queen, beatles, bowie, are doing exactly the same thing as robbie williams, justin and the backstreet boys. You are all gonna slam me but all these people everyone has grown up on were justthe most popular of the time, in the same way the icons were.


Rant over. Everyone start to hear the merit in everything they hear, don't hate, apreciate.

that banana song sucks.