The freakin' guy is a nothing nobody. He was a nobody in 96' and he was a nobody in 2002 and guess what? He still is...Lesnar beating him meant nothing. It's main eventers that you have to beat in order to get over and before The Rock and The Undertaker came along, it was Hulk Hogan who put him over.

Hey, you homophobic jerk....I didn't post it for you. I posted it for my own amusement because that clip was pretty much the response you and your pals had.

Is Venis still arguing?

I thought he'd give up when it was pointed out that citing the third least sane wrestler's autobiography as "proof" basically is a confession that you have NOTHING.

PS: In my biography, I state that I gave Al Gore the idea to invent the internet.

Okay Mr. Venis, IF THAT'S YOUR REAL NAME, defend Hogan for the last few years.

He has lost ONE major match, when there were a few people who could have made an impact if they would have gotten a rub from him. HBK is still going stong and yet he did the job to Hogan, Randy Orton would have been able to become a solid main eventer, I don't even need to mention Hassan, and he thinks he's still worth half the gate (as per WM23).

Defend Hogan in his WCW days where he wouldn't lose a match for the sake of the company. Trash at the Beach 2000 for fuck's sake! Defend Hogan bringing The Warrior into WCW just so he could beat him. Defend Hogan when he was holding down Booker T and Rey.

Let's hear you defend Hogan on his claims that he was a better wrestler than Ric Flair.

Now, see, that's where inaccuracies start because in my autobiography the internet invented itself when I gave it the idea.

Are you calling the Knight a liar? Well let me tell you something, brother! It doesn't matter what you think! The Knight's gonna take his size 15 4E shoe, shine it up reeeeeeeeeal nice, turn that sumbitch sideways, and stick it straight up your candy ass! John Wayne's not dead, he's frozen. And when we find a cure for cancer, we're gonna thaw out the Duke, and he's gonna be pretty pissed off! You know why? Ever taken a cold shower? Well multiply that by about 15 million times, that's how pissed off the Duke's gonna be....

So wait a minute.

I'm presuming that Warrior is the least sane, who would be the second? Backlund, Angle, or Savage?

I was thinking Savage. Backlund doesn't reach that level of crazy, and Angle is too new a player.

That was my thought too. Backlund my try to drink human blood substitute, but that's just eccentric. Angle MAY be putting up some kind of act, we don't know yet. Savage suffers from extreme paranoid delusions and cut a rap album in an attempt to punk out Hogan. Honestly, if he would ever legally change his name to "SAVAGE," he might be able to challenge Warrior for the title.

Can I also suggest that the Honky Tonk Man needs to be in the top 5?

Honky Tonk man might even beat out Hogan, but I ain't followed his shennanigans.

I mean, you can't follow wrestling without reading about Hogan or Warrior. It's like going on TPWW. Odds are, you're going to trip over Fuky's dick, or if not his, DMI's.

Honky Tonk seems pretty crazy when he comes up. But with less of a frequency of antics reported....Well, we'll never know.

Yeah, plus lately he's been playing nice-nice with WWE. He really was like Warrior Jr. there for a while though. Except with grammar and punctuation.

Hulk Hogan never brought the Warrior in just to beat him. That is just an internet smark myth. Did you ever see the Warrior DVD? That topic was brought up.

And I thought I read a few years ago that the Bash at the Beach thing was a work. WCW was trying to appeal to the Internet fan base and look what happened to WCW. Hogan haters can blame Hogan all they want for the death of WCW but the fact of the matter is from 1994 to 2000, Hogan put asses in the seats and money in the bank for WCW. It was when Russo came along and when Bischoff left that WCW began to die.

And with all due respect to guys like Booker T, Rey and the other guys who you all claim Hogan held down....none of those guys could get seventy-five people in a building and have them standing and cheering for ten minutes when they came out even if they paid them.

Hulk Hogan could has gotten people to do that for free.

I know some of you think Hogan's book is BS...but really....who should I believe? Someone who is actually in the wrestling business or a bunch of guys on their parent's computers who are not in the wrestling business? Common knowledge says listen to the guys who are actually in the business.

So wait, you mean I should listen to everything that George Bush says, because he's in the government and I'm not?

Oh and if the BATB thing was a work, howcome there were lawsuits over it?

No, because others in the goverment disagree with him. If you guys can find me some sources from people who are actually in the business that say Hogan never had the idea to be a heel or that someone else was using theme music to come out to the ring long before Hogan had the idea or that promoters and wrestlers were selling wrestling related merchandise before Hogan and McMahon then post it. Or if there are any books written by people in the business that beg to differ with Hogan then give me a title.

I never said I believed that the Bash at the Beach thing was work. I just said I read that it was and I believe it was actually Russo who said it.

And I watched the clip recently on you tube and it just seemed like a work to me based on how the announcers were acting. Here, judge for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGW2IaLqNic

Dude, fucking Hogan said it himself on some TV show I saw, might have been Biography. Basically Hogan was saying that they were discussing how to revitalize the program and Bischoff said to Hogan "How about we have you be a bad guy?" and Hogan said that he felt his blood go cold at the idea. The man can't even keep his own damn stories straight.

Hulk Hogan is MAKE IT OR BREAK IT for WWE

...do I even have to point out the flaw here?

Yup. I remember that, too.

I love the whole "WCW was trying to please the smarks and look where it ended up."

Yeah, Vince is trying to be an entertainment mogul, and look where he's ended up. Apparently, please the smarks or casuals, you draw about the same ratings, Val.

People don't go to court over phony lawsuits considering the lawyers involved could be disbarred (in fairness, the lawyers would have to be oblivious to the fact that they're being worked, too). What started as a work ended up being a lawsuit when Hogan got all pissy with what Russo said at Bash at the Beach when he started pouring on the insults.

And how come Wikipedia has this to say about the incident on Hogan’s page?:

[Dan Rather]And I quote: Answer THAT, BITCH!:D

It was all a work. Russo and Hogan hatched a scheme for the World Championship picture between themselves. Jarrett was the one out of the loop. In an attempt to appeal the Internet crowd (you know, because that's what every wrestling fan does 24/7: scour the Internet for backstage news) Russo played off of Hogan's creative control clause and created the scenario at Bash at the Beach. All of this done with the excuse to phase Hogan out for a while and bring him back later to feud with the champion at that time with the logic being that no one had beaten him for his title (in storyline terms). The problem was that Russo went a little too far with the speech later that night and Hogan was upset with some of the things he said and stormed out of the building. He later sued for character defamation. It was a very real lawsuit considering Hogan didn't want to work for TNA while Russo was on the payroll (to be fair, this might just be an excuse) and the fact the lawsuit was still ongoing three years after WCW got bought out.

:lol: You insult me and yet you think Wikipedia...a place where anybody can submit anything....is a reliable source. Oh, nice one.

Hey, did you know the Fink and Vince's daughter are married? It's true...the IMDB said that. :roll:

In regards of Russo.....hey, I never said I believed him. I'm just saying what I read.

Even in that scenerio, it's still a shoot because Jarrett didn't know what was going on, and Russo basically (shot? shooted?) on Hogan during the unfolding. Montreal isn't a work just because Hart was the only one who didn't know, right?

Anyways it's all still a shoot to me, dammit.

..............................Do you even read what you type?

Hogan is the biggest self promoter in the industry, and you are going to take a ghost written book as legit fact?



















Can I buy some pot from you?

Russo didn't really shoot so much as he got carried away. Jarrett knew about the whole 'lay down' part but not so much about the reasoning behind it all if that makes sense. Ah, f*ck it, listen to me. I'm trying to make sense out of friggin' VINCE RUSSO.

So you're just going to blindly take the word of the guy you just happen to be devoted to basically.

Mind you, I don't believe anyone here has spat on what Hogan has done for wrestling in general. Anyone who has a good mind for the business or been a fan for at least 15 or so years can tell you that Hogan was a positive influence on the WWE in the 80s playing a role that was just meant to be played by someone with his stature and his speaking style. Does he deserve recognition? Absolutely. The main beef here is that all of that was done in a time long ago that really doesn't matter anymore. The video game market also crashed in 1980s. Did we get hung up on that for the last score? The question asked now is what has Hogan done recently? Wrestling has done fine without him and the WWE experienced some of its greatest success not just without him but with him working for the competition. If you want to talk about people who have struck out, you have to start with Hogan as the whole basis of his heel turn was the fact that he was being booed and he needed something to bring his career out of the vegetative state it was in. Once the thrill of the heel turn passed, it was the same old stuff over and over again as he just wasn't adding anything positive to WCW. The man who could've done something about that (Goldberg anyone?) ended up getting screwed over by the kind of crap Hogan used to pull. How is hurting a valuable asset doing something good? Is Hogan a legend? Yes. No question. Is he someone we're supposed to worship just because he's Hogan? Hell, no.

Where's the proof? See, you guys are the ones who are full of it. You say this random stuff that you wish was true and yet you have no proof for it.

That's the problem. To quote an old friend of mine, everything Vince Russo does on the air is technically a shoot.

Where's your proof? I mean, besides Hogan's own words, which have been demonstrated to change over time.....

All I have is Hogan's word. Find me at least two sources from people in the business that say it was not Hogan's idea to turn heel and I'll change my opinion.

Also keep in mind that Bret Hart was supposed to be the third nWo member but when that did not work out, Hogan jumped on the nWo ship. That sounds realistic to me and makes more sense then Bischoff randomly picking one of the top babyfaces in the company to turn heel. McMahon never wanted Hogan to be heel according to his book, even though Hogan suggested it a few times and it would make sense that Bischoff wouldn't want him to turn heel either since Hogan was a huge money maker as a babyface so turning Hogan heel would be a huge risk. But Hogan talked him into it and the rest is history.

Common knowlege rocks. :y:

The nWo was one of the greatest angles of all time and I believe Hulk Hogan is one of the main reasons that it worked out so well because no one would have ever thought Hogan would turn heel but he did and when he did, it brought in ratings and money.

I know at first with just Hall and Nash it went really well but in due time, it would have died out and gotten boring. The nWo was missing something and that was a big name like Hulk Hogan.

Rather anyone here likes it or not, Hulk Hogan is a huge name in wrestling and to have one of the greatest babyface's to turn heel was a very big deal and it helped get the nWo over.

Now what has Hogan done in recent years? Entertain the fans. No, he has not helped move the business along but that's because he's retired. Any retired person just starts to relax and enjoy life and I think that is what Hogan does now in regards of wrestling. He still loves the business and the people still love him so he shows up every now and then in the wrestling world, does his thing and leaves. No one gets hurt or majorly affected by it.

HBK and Orton are heels...heels for the most part are pretty much jobbers...and McMahon wants to send the people home happy and seeing heels win big matches isn't going to make the people happy.

Now it's true heels do win big matches but the babyface ALWAYS gets payback...since Hogan is not interested in a full-time WWE career, it's best for him to wrestle his one match and then move on.

...Unless of course you guys want Hulk to wrestle every week...but if that happened, you'd all hate it like you did in 2002 and 2003.

Again, the man wrestles ONCE a year....what's the big deal?

Hogan's Word? Except we know that changes over time. He's said in interviews that it was Bisch's idea. Ergo, Hogan's word sucks, you have nothing.
"realistic" doesn't mean it happened. And I doubt Bisch picked him "at random."

According to one of the most dubious sources in pro wrestling.

The problem with common knowledge is it's generally erroneous and spouted by morons. :y:

Common knowledge over time has told us that the world is flat, that the sun revolves around the Earth, that a human being could never travel faster than 30 mph and survive, that eggs are the worst things for our health, that eggs are the best thing for our health, and that the best way to treat a person for injuries was to allow blood to flow freely.

But hey, Hulk Hogan is a real American, and it's common knowledge that Americans don't lie.

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God dammit. :rant:

Like I said brother, find me two sources from people in the business that disagree with Hogan and I might change my mind.

The mark of a retard.

Sorry, "brother," It's been demonstrated that Hogan's "story" is not reliable. That he's contradicted himself on top of being one of the most full of shit guys in the business.

Nobody's going to bother trying to change your mind. they're just going to laugh at your football helmet.

Right. So anyway, where is the proof at that his book is not reliable? Let me guess what the proof is...it's in the magical land of Oz.....

I liked Kidman for 3 things.

The Shooting Star Press
Torrie Wilson
and he strangely reminded me of Bret Hart.

Venis rules. The wrestler that is. - The best thing the Hoganoid did was the comedy match vs. Shawn Michaels.

Having only searched the inet for more SNL last week (cos in the UK, it's well out of sync), I know what that means now, and ja, I agree! - Either that or a dick in a box.

:lol:

You really are retarded.

Hogan has contradicted himself and your precious evidence. You don't really need more proof than that. And it comes from Hogan himself.

As such, you should really be the one trying to come up with a real source that verifies this. But you won't. You have no evidence, and you can't find any.

And you criticized me for posting something from Wikipedia, because you thought I believed it?:wtf: Well, let me tell you something, “BROTHER”...Me actually contributing something useful to this thread is nothing like reading a WWE book and believing it, because just look at all the spin they (WWE) put into their books to tell it from a kayfabe point of view only and not a real life point of view. Nice going, you completely missed that.:wave:

Oh, they’re both heels? Really? Because I could’ve sworn that Michaels agreed to a match with Orton for Judgment Day this Sunday...oh, wait that’s right...THEY DID! And guess what? Here’s a ‘fun fact’ you and your butt-buddy, taker707 will surely find surprising...Michaels is a babyface, and Orton is a heel! (W:eek:W...TRUE STORY AND PICS! CLICK HERE[>>] ) So check your facts before you just go about posting random things that are true in your own little fantasy world, will ya?

I was talking about Hogan's matches with HBK and Orton. HBK was a heel when he did his program with Hulk Hogan...that is how he lost to Hogan. Orton was also a heel when he wrestled Hogan...and that is how he lost to Hogan. Get it now brother?

Do you even know what kayfabe means? If Hogan was writing the book in kaybabe, it would have been just like that Hulk Hogan magazine that came out in spring of 2002 where everything was written in character.

Hulk Hogan did not write his book in character. Hell, the book is not even about the character "Hulk Hogan". It's about the man who played the part of the character "Hulk Hogan".

Get it now brother?