Keep it up and you'll end up on the ignore list bud.

HOOK

Rampage

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Did 503,000 viewers and a 0.18 demo, coming in at #13 for the night.

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Horrible ratings for Rampage once again.

Trash show gets trash ratings. They got over 1 million just a few months ago. Imagine the laughing stock WWE would be if this happened to one of their shows at this rate.

AEW is about to get to over 1 million viewers again. The hockey has been postponed, which means AEW will get those West Coast viewers back!

1.55 million for RAW

When AEW goes to TBS it has to do better than The Big Bang Theory, right? On 1 July 2020, BBT got an average of 1.68 million viewers on Wednesday night at 8-10.30pm. They also got an average of 0.43 in the key demo. The episodes got #1, #3, #4, #5 and #7 in the demo.

So what are we thinking about Dynamite when it goes? 2 million and a 0.6? It’s almost definitely got to beat Raw, because BBT currently is, and there’s no way Warner would replace that programming with something that is going to do worse.

1 July 2020 lol

If only the people at WarnerMedia had a genius like Noid at the helm they could have avoided this mistake.

Well... NHL has replaced AEW which draw much lower ratings as far as I know. It's Warner Media practice to shut down their biggest draws, they did it with WCW, AEW, NHL and now BBT.

To be fair, NHL probably reaches a lot more people over the course of a season and generates more advertising revenue, but I think you’re right. WarnerMedia just hates money. :lol:

Still, as a massive AEW fan, it gives you pause. Could AEW’s quality and success be what ultimately destroys it?

Noid, why did you pick that date for comparison?

It was the most readily available one. A Google search for “Big Bang Theory tbs ratings” turns it up. If it’s an outlier, sorry for sharing data from that, but I can’t think of a reason why it would be.

Besides, the point is to prop up AEW anyway. Surely when they move they are going to get bigger ratings than reruns of a comedy show.

591k for nxt, average viewer age 64

Good thing Vince blew it up to attract younger viewers :rofl:

Wonder how Big Bang Theory does head to head against Young Sheldon.

I don't think AEW is destined for destruction just yet. Yeah I could see that happening but it's not fortold.

It’s amazing that noid is trying to weave some narrative that doesn’t exist. Warner game AEW an extra hour on Fridays, a raise to move stations, and agreed to have give the promotion multiple TV specials. But yes let’s take pause and ponder if AEW is destroying itself.

I’m just worried because Warner cancels massive successes. Maybe the last thing we want is for AEW to grow? If it does, it could end up like WCW or The Big Bang Theory. :-\

Oh shit. What if AEW gets so successful they decide to put it on Mondays? Surely AEW would stomp Raw out in the ratings?

Dynamite back over a million

1.02 million

Vince Russo's WCW 2000 was drawing over 3 million viewers and that was with short 3 month stints.

I predict AEW never hits a million again (They move to TBS this week right?)

Most of AEW's viewers are just people who fall asleep at the tv.

The downfall begins now.

LOL and they are celebrating like the won the damn Super Bowl.

https://i.imgflip.com/5yxciz.jpg

The number of anti-AEW overreactions have definitely surpassed the very AEW overreactions they rail against tenfold at this point.

Pop the bottles boys, AEW IS BACK ON TOP. SUCK IT NOID AND VINCE AND GEDO

And Gedo :rofl: love it

Raw is going down, bitches!!! Over 1 million?!? Read that again: 1 million viewers for Dynamite! Read it and weep, Vince. Change is coming.

“Over-the-top gimmick” is Noid’s go-to when he gets EXTRA nervous.

First it’s creating his own arguments. Then it’s awkward personality mirroring. Then it’s this. You can read him like a book. Lol

Look, okay — this is pretty funny — but I think we should focus on the positives of the situation. No other promotion since TNA Wrestling has gotten over 1 million viewers. Think about what an achievement that is.

Vince has got to be shitting himself. This is without the West Coast and they haven’t even gone to TBS yet. That’s when you can expect things to REALLY click into gear.

Oh wait, I think it was with the West Coast. But still! 1 million people watching wrestling that isn’t produced by that rotten Vince McMahon. He’s so stupid, lol.

That was WITH the West Coast?

Ya AEW is fucked once they hit TBS.

They have 90% of the IWC's Indy Darlings/Favs of the last decade and wonder why they can't appeal and grow to a larger audience. They are booking towards a niche audience who enjoy Indy wrestling. They are going to run out of fresh match ups where even that niche audience is going to get bored and move onto the next Indy Fad. There was ROH, Chikara, Lucha Underground. They all moved on just like they will from AEW.

Both AEW or WWE will continue to decline in the next 5 years. They are more likely to shut down completely.

Damn Rick, do you think wrestling is... dying?

I’m curious where it was reported that AEW is concerned about not growing their audience. *Warner doesn’t seem to be concerned.

Weather Vane?

Tony Khan is literally banging his head against a wall right now wondering why CM Punk and Daniel Bryan are not growing his ratings.

Tony Khan doesn't really care about the ratings, he is just happy his dad is paying people to tell him he is cool and a good booker.

I wish I could get 5 minutes with Tony Khan inside the octagon. I would beat the shit out of his nerd ass.

WWE has the resources to stay around forever. I worry about a grassroots production like AEW though. Mr. Tony Khan has built something truly amazing based off the back of being a true wrestling fan/academic. It wouldn’t be just if it was whisked away by WarnerMedia because they don’t “get” it.

Christmas Eve SD - 1.97 million

Christmas Day Rampage - 589k

Next week Rampage will hit record low. They were lucky everyone was off work for Christmas this week.

Don’t trip over yourself backpedaling, Rick

We will see who has the last laugh (me)

When AEW ratings tank

I'm far more interested in how they will spin the ratings than the actual ratings themselves.

Not sure how they will top bragging about the 25-54 Canadian demo :rofl:

Haha ya that's true. This week they are blaming Rampage's shit ratings on a Colts vs. Cardinals game lol.

Awesome number for Rampage! That’s over 50% of what their peak was.

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Looks like Hook is failing

The Rampage slot is death, but his fandom is ironic (even though he has talent). If they don’t go with Malakai Black, I do see value in Hook beating Cody for the TNT Title though. Especially since he started out as a Cody protege, didn’t he?

Dante Martin can beat Starks for the FTW Title at Battle of the Belts (an extended version filmed for YouTube or something). I don’t know why they aren’t doing anything with Starks. Hook can take it off Martin and then challenge Cody, title for title. Starks turns heel on Hook down the line.

What's the cheapest way to watch AEW? I googled saying YouTube plus and Hulu premium. Is that correct? How far behind are the broadcasts?

I want to force myself through the boring programming so I can critique it better. Haven't seen a episode since Moxley was champion and God damn was it horrible then.

Without pirating/streaming - Sling.

There has to be a way to get AEW to pay you to watch.

1.59 million for RAW

Remember when AEW debuted and when the Raw ratings would be announced we’d get an “lol ONLY 2.5 times the Dynamite audience. :roll:”

Then a year later it was “lol ONLY 2 times the Dynamite audience. :roll:”

Well we’re just about ready for “lol ONLY 1.5 times the Dynamite audience. :roll:”

Can’t wait till “it only took WWE 84 weeks to beat WCW” when AEW inevitably catches up to WWE by simply doing nothing and WWE continuing to follow its pattern of decline.

Wow, another win for the terrible 3-hour show, even when you factor in that third hour (a slot it dominates) to try and drag its average down. I wonder how much Vince sold the condensed editions for?

I bet USA is shitting bricks. That third hour is almost triple what Rampage gets. Lol, imagine if Dynamite had a third hour on Wednesdays every week to fill. What do you think that would do to 800k people who watch?

LOL Gotta switch to comparing it to the late Friday night B-show now.

Next year when THAT gets too close for comfort it’ll switch to “Raw just KILLING AEW Dark!”

Lol Vince Russo actually gets paid by two sponsors to watch RAW. That's the only current product he will watch simply because he gets paid to do it.

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WWE sucks balls too. I would watch AEW over WWE. They both suck balls. I wouldn't be surprised if AEW does catch up to WWE but not by AEW growing only because WWE is declining too. They have no storylines. They are just simply wrestling shows. Boring ass wrestling shows.

WWE rode the wave of superstars that Vince Russo created as long as they could. Now they have all finally got old and have mostly retired. I called it a long ass time ago. Now I get to smile and know I was right the entire time.

Sling Tv is $35 a month. No way is AEW worth that. Especially with how Biden has crashed the economy.

I'll stick to my weekly WCW 2000 for now.

It isn't hard to pirate.

It’s all trash. SmackDown is probably the best, which is why it holds up in the ratings. A lot of people do speculate that the WWE is going to decline to AEW numbers (and call that a win lol), but AEW is declining too. By the time WWE gets to 1 million viewers, where will AEW be?

The difference is their audience. AEW has the die hard meltzer sheep. They eat sleep and breathe wrestling. Most likely live in their mom's basement. They have 20 years worth of brainwashed Meltzer sheep. These are the same people that followed ROH and other Indy wrestling and will chant cringe things.

WWE's audience is more of just mentally challenged people. I've met some of these people personally. They are usually really cool people. They are just a little slow in the head.

I think if SD was on say, USA Network, on Friday Nights it would have less viewers than RAW tbh. I think being on FOX helps a LOT with them regularly cracking 2 million.

I think that's also why they loaded up all the men's main-event talent to RAW, WWE realized SD will get 1.9 - 2.3 million no matter what, so they left Roman/Drew/Brock and sent everyone else to RAW bc RAW needs all the help it can get.

975k for Dynamite

.50 for Males 18-49

Ouch. Couldn't even hit 1 million on their final TNT show.

Rick describing aew fans basically a copy and paste of impact fans

And wrestling fans in general. What’s left are the diehards and they all fall into similar buckets.

Ive never heard a single Impact fan bragging about how good and cool demos are :rofl:

Wow. 975,000 fans.

R.I.P

That is typical WWE short term bullshit. Maybe had they kept Wyatt and Strowman they would not be so strapped for main eventers.

Lol at Dynamite rating.

Being on network television is clearly a big boon. The difference between it and cable is massive, as has been demonstrated by SmackDown moving to Fox Sports 1, as tiny as that station might be. Still, I don’t think you can take away from SmackDown’s consistency on there, even if network is a different beast.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens to Raw when the USA deal comes up. Do they try and move it to FOX or NBC? Or do they accept giant money to stay on USA and being the gem in its crown? Or is there some sort of streaming move where ratings become even more irrelevant? Or is there even some kind of split? It’s a way different game than the dirt sheets make out.

WWE is not above making a deal for way more money to appear on something niche as well. TNN in 2000 and a lot of their European deals highlight that. If a cable network or streaming service steps up to steal, that’s a real possibility.

Which would have never happened if any company would have gave Russo 100% control.

Instead the business pushed for a work rate promotions and this is the result. The industry died. AEW will never grow booking to these same fans that killed the business.

WWE, TNA, AEW all made the same mistakes.

I win and you lose.

You guys should have called me a prophet lol.

THE LEGEND,,,,THE ICON,,,

TV viewership dropping like 10-15% each year, which makes WWE's drops seem not as bad relatively... and AEW growing despite TV viewership going down overall each year

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https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/...20517005762564

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, ALL (most) TV IS DOWN.<br><br>Perhaps an impression of television generally, the daily top 50 non-news cable originals were down 13% in P2+ and 16% in P18-49.<br><br>WWE and AEW weekly programs all outperformed those negative deltas. <a href="https://t.co/s4da9hns6U">pic.twitter.com/s4da9hns6U</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1477020447887794186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AEW grew over last year without having to go head to head with NXT. They did not actually grow viewership because they are still down from 2 years ago when they started and were head to head with NXT.

There was roughly 1.8 Million people that watched wrestling on Wednesdays in 2019. That 8% growth from 2020 compared to 2021 is the small amount of people who now watch AEW on Wednesday instead of NXT.

It's very good actually. The signs are pointing to AEW dynamite and the AEW and Tony Khan brand are testing high in focus groups.

What happens if a Smackdown clip show on FS1 does better rating than a special edition Rampage? Tony Khan might up and fire a few non-whites right on the spot.

Tony Khan needs put behind bars.

It’s amazing how people try to pass off AEW no longer having competition within its genre as growth. Interest in wrestling and interest in AEW is declining. The TBS move is likely to be tougher on them than apologists make out (some try to present it as a promotion). They are taking over a slot from a show that is more popular than them. It’s not going to be pretty.

It is a promotion because TNT has to justify paying so much for NHL so they bumped up to the bigger station with a storied history of pro wrestling. TBS is a huge move for AEW because TBS viewers are younger.

Putting a live show on a syndicated comedy network, what could go wrong? :rofl:

The only upside to the TBS move is if it’s a macro strategy to drive people to HBO Max. It’s not going to be as popular as BBT in that time slot — especially with women. So it’s kind of a noose around AEW’s neck for any other reason.

My prediction is that AEW eventually gets pushed to a later slot when advertisers and audiences want their sitcom back.

They could always get promoted to the Turner Classic Movies channel.

TruTV for the ultimate push.

I guess you guys haven't read about the additional terms on the TBS deal which tripled the income over the length of the original deal with TNT.

AEW on TBS is 3x more profitable than on TNT WHICH IS EHY TONY HAS SIGNED 3X MORE WRESTLERS

You’re amazing, Jordan.

I also overlooked that they are in several million more homes. That’s several million more viewers for Dynamite, baby!

Getting excited for this week’s Dynamite rating. The numbers are more exciting than the prospect of the show.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When assessing what the top 1,000 rated cable shows of 2021 were, the dominance of three genres of content is striking. Sports, cable news and reality shows account for 91% of the top 1,000 when looking at the data among 18-49s <a href="https://t.co/pjLEzmcicA">https://t.co/pjLEzmcicA</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z7bDlhEQOO">pic.twitter.com/Z7bDlhEQOO</a></p>&mdash; Variety (@Variety) <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1478075866571685890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Is this original programming or does it include reruns?

Does not include reruns to my knowledge

TK: “Hey Variety! I see you like to talk about numbers, huh? Well how’s that Variety YouTube channel against ours!?”

When that stuff isn’t included, I think it does omit a large slice of what people’s tastes are and how they like to spend their time.

It’s important to know what sort of original programming is working, but it just leaves out the context of how effective original programming is at all.

Why would TK be upset with Variety...odd post.

It's a positive WWE and AEW have stuff in the top 1000.

TK doesn’t like the truth being told about his company. Citation: The Fox News article.

Because pretty much anything can trigger that creepy weirdo.

I guarantee he doesn’t like Raw and NXT accounting for over four times what AEW is worth.

It just says "Top 1,000 Cable Shows" with no caveats that I could find from skimming the article, so presumably it's all cable shows including reruns. No reason to assume stuff is omitted since they didn't say it was (from what I could see, unless I missed something)

SD is also 2 hours. You need those extra big hitters for a three hour show. Roman or Brock can take 30 to 45 minutes out of the 90ish (after commercials). Give the females their 15/20 minutes. Fill in the rest with Drew, New Day, and whatever else mid card/tag teams are around and its a good.

If RAW went back to 2 hours the product would improve so much.

I agree completely, and I dont even think it is the quality, because even when they hold off on the biggest stuff until the 3rd hour, that 3rd hour is still the lowest rated. I dont know if people are just tuning out to go to sleep, or if 2 hours is enough.

Id be interested to see how they would do with a 3 hour show from 7-10 instead of 8-11. Would he 3rd hour still drop off, or would they keep the ratings up until 10:00pm like they do now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On New Years Eve, AEW Rampage (TNT) was watched by 453,000 viewers and did a 0.19 P18-49 rating. Ranked #21 on Showbuzz's list.<br><br>Smackdown's &quot;best of&quot; episode preempted to FS1 due to New Years Eve programming on Fox, was watched by 378,000 and did a 0.08 P18-49 rating, #58.</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1478385412498497539?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>