Nobody is saying that the main event isn't the draw. That isn't what you are paying the fee for though.

You don't buy a packet of a Starburst just for one flavour even if the Strawberry ones are awesome. When you go to the movies and the film is shit, you don't demand your money back.

And EVERYONE knows the risk beforehand of a fight being shit or some circumstance happening to ruin a show.

Only paying for the main event is boxing mentality. UFC always tends to give at least 3 fights between division contenders, and with there being less weightclasses, people are generally wize to alot of the competators over boxing.

As for the fight. It wasn't entertaining to watch. I think Silva was 20-18 on the cards when it finished, and who knows. He destroyed Irvin before he had time break a sweat. Maybe he was just giving Cote the chance to try and beat him. Anderson Silva is a cocky arrogant dude now. It's maybe a crazy idea, but who knows... there could be any number of reasons why it went down like that. Only he knows.

Thing that got to me was RP saying he is no longer the best fighter in the world. Even though he was 15 minutes earlier, and he just got another win to improve his record.

Nobody who is considered the all time best in a sport has had totally consistant successful performance for the entirety of their careers. Everyone has gone through a bad spell or a few close knit losses.

And he didn't even fucking lose!

He dominated the fight.. Looked to me like he was taken his time waiting on Cote to make a mistake.. Not the most entertaining game plan but it was def working and had Cote completely flustered and frustrated.. As you said, no one but Silva and his camp know why he went with the style but I mean, he might have planned on doing the same thing to Irving, but Irving made a mistake way before Cote did.. Never know..

He is still the best pound for pound fighter in the world so whatever..

LOL

:(

ROFL

Love Dana

I want to see Dana White vs Kimbo Slice on PPV. make it happen

I think Dana should pay Kimbo like $250k, under the table, to appear on TUF.. I mean, if he wins, awesome, if not Dana proved his point (better than paying Sean Gannon to fight in the UFC) and the ratings would be through the roof for the whole season..

Dana doesn't pay a lot of his top guys that money. He won't pay Kimbo it that's for damn sure.

I think Dana is going overboard with the Kimbo hate. The guys not a legitimate fighter, but hes still a fucking human being. And while he may not be a very good fighter, hes fucking learning. Hes trying as hard as he can and just because he was pushed the way he was by bull shit promoters doesnt mean he deserves all that hate.

I agree with Reavant. All that 'exposed as a fraud' bullsit was a little much. Fighters lose, it happens. Even really good fighters get absolutely destroyed sometimes also. Rich Franklin got absolutely anihilated by Anderson Silave Twice. Keith Jardine was destroyed by Wanderlei. It's just apart of fighting. Do I think Kinbo is an awesome fighter? No. But to say he's a fraud because he got knocked on his ass once is a little ridiculous.

If he keeps working with Bas Ruten, I'm sure he can make something of himself as a fighter one day. He'll at least be able to be food for Lesnar I'd say.

He was exposed as a fraud though. CBS and Elite were pushing him as a big thing and he clearly isn't. And it totally is his own fault because he chose to start at the top. Same goes for Brock Lesnar if he tanks. Totally different to Rich Franklin who had beaten everyone in his career bar Lyoto Machida before losing to Anderson Silva. Silva is arguably the best fighter in the world and Franklin lost to him. No shame in it. Kimbo got KTFO in 14 seconds by a jab from a fighter who couldn't cut it in the UFC and who wasn't even important enough to even be booked on the main card on the very show he KO'd Kimbo on.

Kimbo is far too old to learn new tricks and he knows it. People were being paid to stand with him for fuck sake!

I kinda agree with Reavant also in that I like Kimbo, just not EXC.. I think there's a place for him in MMA just like there's a place for any one trick pony..

In that same line of thinking, to even begin to compare Anderson and Wanderlei to Seth Petruzelli is fucking retarded.. Two of the G.O.A.T. compared to a cross dressing UFC reject is lunacy..

I wasn't comparing them at all, you spaz. I'm simply saying that MMA fighters lose, it happens. And it does.

LOL

How were you not comparing them??

The point I was making is that you can lose at anytime to anybody. It's apart of the sport. If you didn't like the examples I chose then fuck off and go play Madden.

Yeah but they lost to top guys. Kimbo didn't FACT.

Well, I'm sure I could've used better examples but I really believe that you all know what I'm trying to say and are just giving me shit. There have been many upset wins in MMA. Anybody can win at any time. People win, people lose.

But losing to two of the greatest fighters in the world is quite a bit different than losing to a failed UFC fighter who's biggest claims to fame before this match was losing on TUF and beating Dan Severn who was 50 years old at the time..

No where near the same thing..

There have been upset wins. Seth beating Kimbo wasn't one of them. Anyone who was watching that show knew Kimbo was losing.

I'm not saying that I don't think Kimbo is terrible. I'm saying that you're a fucking moron if you think losing once to anybody makes you a bad fighter.

You calling anyone a fucking moron is rich dude.

Kimbo is the shits. Get over it.

To the educated fan yes, but in the EliteXC World no. EliteXC built Kimbo up to be some unstoppable monster and fans of EliteXC I'm sure believed as such. They built it up to be an upset if he lost. It was defeinitely an upset considering what they were paying Kimbo and what they were paying Seth.

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Rob, you're being stupid. I think Kimbo is the shits. What are you even argueing with me about?

You seem to be the only one arguing.. I mean, you said something stupid and got called out on it.. Instead of either being like, "my bad" or just walking away you started calling people names and you told me to go play Madden..

wtf

I'm being stupid eh? Okay dude.

So, go play madden?

I didn't say anything stupid at all. You're just trying to overanalyze shit. I just said people win/people lose, it's the way the sport goes. You aren't terrible if you lose a fight. That's logic. Just tired of hearing the whole "Kimbo sucks and he'll never be good ever because he lost to a trained MMA fighter". Give the guy a fucking break. They marketed the fuck out of im to a point where nobody is going to live up to that hype. A loss doesn't mean he sould just give it all up.

He'll never be good because he is too old, fights people who are paid to fight to his strengths and because he was just humbled in the biggest fight of his life.

Done and done.

And I mean done.

And lol btw at EliteXC doing that. Seth Petrezelli has a record of 10 wins and 4 losses. 9 of his ten wins were by TKO. Prolly would've been a longer fight if they just let him take him down.

thats a really dumb way of thinking. You dont stop learning just because you reach a certain age. The only thing that can hold a healthy person back from excelling at anything if simply how hard they want to work at it. Now I dont know how hard he works, but one would think that training with Bas would mean hes working hard.

Now I know you all flamed narcissus for compairing Kimbo to credited UFC fighters, but look at randy. Yes he was already good and has beaten lots of good people. But has he not gotten better and better the older he has gotten? He started out as old as Kimbo too. He was just a wrestler. He was good in the HWT division then got beat a couple times. Continued to work and refine his game. Then he dropped to LHW. did good and lost and refined his game. Came back at HWT and won the title. He even says that hes better now then he was when he was older.

Now Im not saying Kimbo is like Randy or anything like that, but the parrallels are there. Im not saying one day Kimbo will be at the level that randy is, but if he works hard enough, he could be pretty damn good one day.

I dont really like Kimbo as a fighter at all, but to knock a guy for going out there the way dana has been is pretty stupid.

I never said purely because he is old did I? It's a factor though. As is not fighting legit MMA fighters, fixing terms of a fight and having the chin of a 14 year old. Randy Couture was a world class wrestler before fighting in the UFC and by the time of his 205lbs comeback, he was already a world champion twice. Hardly the same.

I think the fight being fixed was more of an EliteXC decision than anything else. Protecting their investement. I actually doubt that Kimbo had much to do with that decision at all. Could be wrong, dunno.

Doesn't matter if it was in on it, knew about it or didn't. The fact is he fought 2 guys who were paid to keep the fight standing.

Who was the other guy? As I remember, the guy he fought before Petrezelli took him to the ground a few times. The big brit guy.

James Thompson. And he was asked and paid to keep it standing. That's why he hasn't been seen since.

the other two reasons that you gave wont affect whether or not he could grow as an actual fighter with skill.

I didnt say they were the same at all, in fact i reiterated that a couple times. However in terms of starting mma in your 30s and being skilled in only one facet of fighting when they start, they share a common story. I said kimbo will probably never come close to randy's level, but i also said that doesnt mean kimbo cant be a good fighter.

I don't think Kimbo really wants to be a good fighter though.

He doesn't have the drive for it.

If your having fights that never go to the ground and never have any muay thai, you aren't learning to fight against those styles and thus not evolving as a fighter. And when you are having stand up kick boxing fights and have a weak chin, you have no hope. Both of those reasons are very much reasons for not growing as a fighter.

Come on now, you'd know better than anyone. How happy would you be fighting against guys who were told to keep it standing with you and not to use any muay thai because you hadn't trained for it? Are you seriously telling me that if you were in his shoes, you could grow as a fighter? Fuck I only do BJJ now but I've I wasn't rolling with guys better than me, I'd never learn the sport.

your assuming he doesnt train for those at all. I cant believe that is the case if hes training under bas. When it comes to his opponents and how they are told to fight him, id assume he had nothing to do with the promoter doing that, but yes you can grow with that especially if your a fighter that doesnt know much. First it gives you successful ring time which is huge in a fighters head, then it gives him time to work his game. For example, he could have taken them down if he wanted. Its like moving up a ladder of difficulty.

For me I wouldnt want that starting my career off, but realistically you would get better if you used the opportunity to develop your game and impose your will onto people.

I cant believe that petrozelli or whatever his name is, hits harder than thompson and thompson hit kimbo a lot and never got him in trouble in terms of knocking him out. You cant say someone has a weak chin off of one freak knock out.

I'm not assuming he hadn't trained for wrestling or muay thai. They told Seth he hadn't trained for muay thai and obviously his wrestling is the shits or he wouldn't be fighting stand up only.

I don't think Petrazelli hits harder than James Thompson though. Thompson has some serious wins on his record. I nearly cried after the Don Frye fight it was so brutal.

He apparently asked to be put on the November show today.

Yeah, he said he wanted to fight again ASAP..

Is this legit?

Because that would be fucking amazing.

It's true he asked but he isn't fighting on the show because Dana White said no as they don't have a fight for him. They are looking at February, probably at 205lbs against Liddell, possibly in London.

I wish they let him fight Lyoda Machida so that boring fuck will stop being mentioned in the LW title talks..

theyre from the same camp... its not gonna happen

Are they still? People have mentioned that fight down the line still.

They were a couple months ago... and anderson said in an interview around then that he wasnt looking for the title at lhw because he wants his friend lyoto to have it.

They'd fight for enough money.

I hope to God Lyoda never gets a title shot..

Are you not a fan of is evasiveness?

He is boring as fuck.. I know where you are going with this BTW.. Silva pretty much pulled a Machida against Cote, but Silva has KO'd plenty of guys and had many many exciting matches.. Look at the reaction to his one Machida-like match..

Awful..

Naw, I wasn't even gonna bring up. Silva doesn't have to prove anything to anybody, I've seen enough of his fights to know that he isn't anybody to fuck with. I was going to bring up Bisping's performance the other day against Leben. Reminded me alot of Machida's stick and move style. I don't like it either. To me, anybody that is constantly backing up should have points deducted. Pretty boring, whether it is effective or not.

Well, ring control is part of the 10 point must..

:dunno:

Are you saying being entertaining should be one of the criteria of which a fight is judged?

No, not at all. However, I'm not exactly sure how one can come off looking dominant while backpeddling the entire time.

Landing more strikes?? Doing more damage??

I guess I understand it, just particularly not a style that I enjoy watching.

I did say Silva was just looking for someone to actually try and fight him, get some actual time in the cage.

I think at this rate, Anderson will be at the end of his UFC deal before next Summer, and with the unpredictability of top names at the moment, Dana is going to start spreading his fights out a little more. I would think about trying to get him on the Dec card though.

They already have 3 huge fights on the December show.

Krisp get last nights TUF episode up

I actually watched it on tv last night so I haven't looked yet..

BRB

part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Vinny is a complete and total douchebag.. Actually, most of Team Mir, including Mir himself, are disrespectful douchebags..

p.s. Impact, tell me again what fights you were looking for??

Now Junie is turning on his own team? This dude knows how to dig himself a hole.

Krispy - Shamrock V Ortiz 3, UFC 31 - 36 and Kazushi Sakuraba V Royce Gracie (Pride Grand Prix 2000 finals)

I'll try to get those up for you sometime this weekend..

You must spread some rep around yada yada yada :heart:

btw does anyone have that Bas Rutten remix song (thing)? I think Rob posted it ages back and it's basically just Bas Rutten (I think anyway) talking about Bar Fighting with music in the background.

.UFC should stop fucking around with old washed up Mark Coleman, take Shogun and give him to Anderson Silva at 205. Now that would be a fucking fight.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...1225559221.jpg

Seth Petruzelli dressed up like Kimbo..

:(

rofl

Michael "I'm a tough guy from the South Side of Chicago but I carry a man purse" Wilbon dressed up like Kimbo too..

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Or Black Jesus..

I'll upload it in a bit.

http://www.angrymarks.com/music/song...o-extended.mp3

Booyah

Chris Leban failed a drug test from the Birmingham show. Suspended for 9 months.

Idiot

They spent that whole fight putting over how much he has changed and he is now the epitomy of what an MMA fighter should be. Them words must taste lovely.

Denis Kang has signed with UFC. 18 months too late for anyone to really care though it seems. A good 185 chalenge for the Arachnid maybe?

For what??

Steroids

Dana White should seriously consider telling Paulo Fihlo to take a fucking hike when they merge the middleweights. This guy is a fucking joke. He makes me fucking sick and i hope he gets knocked the fuck out in this coming fight.

Out of curiosity, do they (they being Video and DVD stores in your country) sell the UFC 10 packs at all. As I bought UFC's 1-10, 11-20, and 21-30 and i'm uncertain whether they're actually legal releases...

Not gonna happen when they need middleweights.

I didn't even notice the thing about his missing weight. I kinda agree with you now. Once is bad enough but two major headaches now is not on.

Starting to get really pumped for Lesnar/Couture and Florian/Daddy.

I'm going to predict a Lesnar win but I don't really know if I believe it. Couture has the craziest way of evening the odds almost always when he's the underdog. I'm thinking that this fight is too much for him though. I could see Lesnar megaton punching him to victory or just straight overpowering him for 5 rounds but I can also see Couture slowly breaking him down. I'll go with Lesnar though.

I wanna say Florian is gonna steamroll daddy but that won't happen. This will be a good fight. It'll end in a submission or TKO for sure. Can't see it going the distance. Florian and Daddy are finishers. I pick Florian though, as he is my boy.

O shit

Wow...

Florian will steamroll Stevenson.

I hope so but we'll see. Stevenson is no slouch.

BDC... Frank Mir beat Lesnar.

He said test Lesnar, not catch Lesnar in a leg lock after he makes a rookie mistake.

Losing his first fight in the big leagues isn't a test?

Also as much as I want Kenflo to go over Joe Daddy, I'd still much rather see Stevenson face Sean Sherk for the gold (If Penn wins Welterweight and vacates Lightweight) than Kenflo V Sherk again...And I really hope we don't see a Lesnar V Mir II match for the unification bout...