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Destor 09-19-2018 01:04 PM

This movie sucked and anyone who argued differently has bad taste

Fignuts 09-19-2018 06:49 PM

Still pisses me off that they revealed wonder woman in the trailers. At tbr very least I would have come out of the theater marking out over that scene.

Lock Jaw 09-19-2018 06:54 PM

To be fair, they revealed the entire plot of the movie in the trailers.

Simple Fan 09-19-2018 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5174588)
This movie sucked and anyone who argued differently has bad taste

I liked it but its been established that you think I have bad taste. There were olenty of things wrong with it but the fight between Batman and Superman was great. Of course I looked at the fight like a wrestling match and think they told a great story with it. Now Justice League sucked ass and I regret going to theater to see it.

Lock Jaw 09-19-2018 07:03 PM

I enjoyed Justice League.

Hated this one. The fight between Batman and Superman was horrible. (As was the majority of the rest of the film)

Sixx 09-19-2018 07:29 PM

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Destor 09-19-2018 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5174774)
I enjoyed Justice League.

Hated this one. The fight between Batman and Superman was horrible. (As was the majority of the rest of the film)

Justice league was a considerable improvement

Simple Fan 09-19-2018 08:06 PM

Justice League is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. Just awful, when you can tell where one director leaves and another picks up its pretty bad. Plus they went with alot of cheeky jokes that I thought didn't fit.

Simple Fan 09-19-2018 08:15 PM

Take that back, its the 2nd worst movie I've ever seen.

Destor 09-19-2018 08:18 PM

Justice league was horrendous i cant disagree

Lock Jaw 09-19-2018 10:21 PM

As I said, I enjoyed Justice Leaague. I'd rank it higher than the second Avengers in my like list.

Lock Jaw 09-19-2018 10:22 PM

I'm not saying it was great, and it does have a lot of issues.

Frank Drebin 09-19-2018 10:25 PM

Wow. Ultron wasn't the bees knees but to say it was worse than any DC movie other than maybe WW......

Sixx 09-19-2018 10:28 PM

Yeah, LJ, what the fuck?

Frank Drebin 09-19-2018 10:38 PM

I mean, Lock Jaw intentionally breaks things in his apartment so that the construction crew can come over and have their way with him (truth) so I'm not sure his opinions are valid to begin with.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-19-2018 10:49 PM

Justice League was way easier to get thru than BvS. BvS is a boring, dumb, loud slog that crams way too many would interesting plot lines in a movie that should've been a slam dunk, and blows a great performance from an aesthetically perfect Affleck Batman by turning him into a murdering psychopath who wasn't smart enough to figure out Superman is a good guy who's a reporter during the day.

Let us not forget Superman saying "there's no hope". Christ. The only thing this movie for right was the Batman fight scene. That was incredible. But that was it.

Lock Jaw 09-19-2018 10:57 PM

Remember that I am also slightly biased because I am a DC guy, so those are the characters that I get excited to see on the big screen (and then usually disappointed by).

Simple Fan 09-19-2018 11:42 PM

I'm a DC guy as well but Age of Ultron was way better than Justice League.

Lock Jaw 09-19-2018 11:55 PM

It very well could be "objectively better", but if I had the choice, I'd watch Justice League.

Sixx 09-20-2018 12:13 AM

To each their own.

Lock Jaw 09-20-2018 12:23 AM

Exactly.

Except in the case of Batman vs. Superman, which sucked.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-20-2018 12:30 AM

I'm extremely bias towardsBatman. I didn't know jack shit about Marvel beyond Spider-Man and the X-Men. But Marvel movies are far and away better, except for the Dark Knight trilogy. That's the only thing DC has pumped out that's been worth a lick.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-20-2018 12:30 AM

Oh, and Wonder Woman.

Sixx 09-20-2018 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5174895)
Exactly.

Except in the case of Batman vs. Superman, which sucked.

That's the thing, I didn't even mind BvS that much because I'm not a DC guy. It just wasn't great to me, but I don't hate it. A comic book movie that I truly hate is that first solo Wolverine one, the one with mouthless Deadpool. I won't even bother looking up what it was called.

Lock Jaw 09-20-2018 12:37 AM

I liked that one in general more than his second solo movie.

Sixx 09-20-2018 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5174901)
I liked that one in general more than his second solo movie.

I hate the fuck of that first movie. Everything about it.

And as much as I love Liev Schreiber who the fuck thought it was a good idea to cast him as Sabretooth? That's like Jim Belushi as Hercules.

Simple Fan 09-20-2018 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5174897)
Oh, and Wonder Woman.

I felt Wonder Woman was too similar to Man of Steel. They told pretty much the same story just from Wonder Woman's perspective with the exception that she actually chose to be a hero.

Destor 09-20-2018 12:08 PM

Wondy was Captain America 1 with boobs and I loved it.

Seanny One Ball 09-20-2018 12:18 PM

Liev Schreiber was one of the few highlights in that hunk of shit Origins movie. Not that he was used very well but I think had they focused entirely on him vs Wolverine and their history it could have been so much better.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-20-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5174978)
I felt Wonder Woman was too similar to Man of Steel. They told pretty much the same story just from Wonder Woman's perspective with the exception that she actually chose to be a hero.

Not even close.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-20-2018 12:48 PM

Wonder Woman is easily the best recent DC movie. By a mile.

Simple Fan 09-20-2018 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5174985)
Wonder Woman is easily the best recent DC movie. By a mile.

They're the same movie pretty much and don't see how no one else sees that. Both start as kids not knowing their true origins. They both have the parents who somewhat hide or lie about who they really are as they grow up. They both find out who they are mid way through and the villian in both was someone from their origin. There are alot more but I dont want to be at this all day. Only real difference in my opinion is Wonder Woman makes that choice on the battlefield to be a hero and Superman is just forced into it.

Seanny One Ball 09-20-2018 03:53 PM

Deadpool 2 has vital plot points in common with Looper the awesome Sci-Fi film. Doesn't make it the same movie.

Plus origin stories largely are similar. It involves growing up and making choices. There is discovery and loss, always.

You could be describing Brigsby Bear to be honest.

Simple Fan 09-20-2018 04:12 PM

I didn't think of Looper when I seen Deadpool 2. First thing I thought after seeing Wonder Woman was, that was just Man of Steel with a woman. I just thought it was too similar and don't get how people can say Wonder Woman was so good but not like Man of Steel when they're essentially the same movie.

Sixx 09-20-2018 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5174983)
Liev Schreiber was one of the few highlights in that hunk of shit Origins movie. Not that he was used very well but I think had they focused entirely on him vs Wolverine and their history it could have been so much better.

Yes, yes, what you're saying plus not being so stubborn to call him Sabretooth.

Seanny One Ball 09-20-2018 05:06 PM

I don't literally see Looper when I see Deadpool 2 either but it was recently pointed out to me and it's true that if you look at the bare bones of it they are both stories about men who attempt to kill a child in the past to prevent his ascent to super villain status.
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The main difference is that in Looper the man in the past who tries to stop the assassination is the assassin himself as a younger man.


I just mean that films can have a lot in common but I didn't see a great deal of similarity in the way Superman and Wonder Woman were presented. Just basic similarities that most superheroes share.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-20-2018 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5174993)
They're the same movie pretty much and don't see how no one else sees that. Both start as kids not knowing their true origins. They both have the parents who somewhat hide or lie about who they really are as they grow up. They both find out who they are mid way through and the villian in both was someone from their origin. There are alot more but I dont want to be at this all day. Only real difference in my opinion is Wonder Woman makes that choice on the battlefield to be a hero and Superman is just forced into it.

One is wandering aimlessly doing nothing with his life, stumbles onto his origin and decides to do nothing with it until he reacts to a threat and is obligated to help.

The other grows up with a strong sense of ideals and morals, strives to excel and live for a higher purpose, and jumps at the chance to fight a war the isn't hers not because she has to, but because it is the right thing to do and because she can.

Not even close to the same movie other than "chosen one origin movie". By your logic Batman Begins and Man of Steel are the same. Even though they're clearly not.

Damian Rey 2.0 09-20-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5175030)
I don't literally see Looper when I see Deadpool 2 either but it was recently pointed out to me and it's true that if you look at the bare bones of it they are both stories about men who attempt to kill a child in the past to prevent his ascent to super villain status.
SPOILER: show
The main difference is that in Looper the man in the past who tries to stop the assassination is the assassin himself as a younger man.


I just mean that films can have a lot in common but I didn't see a great deal of similarity in the way Superman and Wonder Woman were presented. Just basic similarities that most superheroes share.

The basic outline of any superhero movie is virtually the same. The first is the basis of the hero's origin and beginning, and the following ones up the ante and put the character in ever growing compromising positions.

Man of Steel was a loud, confusing, inspired dump of a Superman movie. Wonder Woman was an inspired, driven, fun and sensible movie.

Simple Fan 09-20-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey 2.0 (Post 5175049)
One is wandering aimlessly doing nothing with his life, stumbles onto his origin and decides to do nothing with it until he reacts to a threat and is obligated to help.

The other grows up with a strong sense of ideals and morals, strives to excel and live for a higher purpose, and jumps at the chance to fight a war the isn't hers not because she has to, but because it is the right thing to do and because she can.

Not even close to the same movie other than "chosen one origin movie". By your logic Batman Begins and Man of Steel are the same. Even though they're clearly not.

That's basically what I said was the only difference in the two movies. Everything else matches up preety much exact to the other. It's not the main characters but the supporting characters and the story told which is the same.

I don't see Batman Begins even lining up with the two as I feel it told a way different story.

Simple Fan 09-20-2018 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seanny One Ball (Post 5175030)
I don't literally see Looper when I see Deadpool 2 either but it was recently pointed out to me and it's true that if you look at the bare bones of it they are both stories about men who attempt to kill a child in the past to prevent his ascent to super villain status.
SPOILER: show
The main difference is that in Looper the man in the past who tries to stop the assassination is the assassin himself as a younger man.


I just mean that films can have a lot in common but I didn't see a great deal of similarity in the way Superman and Wonder Woman were presented. Just basic similarities that most superheroes share.

Think I need to watch Deadpool 2 again.

Yeah the characters were presented differently and I've acknowledged that but everything around them was so similar that I couldn't help but recognize it. The biggest complaint I've heard about Man of Steel was his presentation but as a guy who's not real big on Superman I seen it as a pretty good representation of a realistic Superman in this day and time.


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