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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4991209)

"In 3 months that will be the norm and no one will care, that's our current society."

I am not so sure he isn't right about this. The New generation has usch a short attention span that it could very well be less than 2 months easily.

Baseless stereotypes. If anything, people invest in deeper and more interconnected television content than ever.

Most people I know binge watch

But would they binge watch if there was no pyro!?

Probably, in the end it makes no difference. They have replaced pyro with Led's .. probably safer and maybe less for insurance

Next time Kane comes out he better have his fucking pyro.

I have to agree with Road Dogg. I'm sure in three months nobody will care because we'll all be used to it.

A good chunk of wrestling fans seem to be very protective of what they watch and along with some of them wearing their nostalgia glasses, they don't like change unless it's change that they want.

When the ropes changed to white a few years back, some fans complained. About a month or so later, nobody cared about the ropes.

When the stages for Raw and SmackDown changed to the HD setup, people complained. Again, a month or so later, nobody cared.

When Titantrons were scrapped in favour of what we have now, people complained, but now nobody cares.

And I really don't need to go into detail about when changes are made to the designs of championships.

But that's (some) wrestling fans for you.

Personally, I will miss pyro and I'm sure guys like Kane and special appearances from, for example, Batista (if that ever happens) will have their pyro but to me, it's no big deal.

Anyway, with the amount of cold openings Raw done before the second split, I'm used to not seeing pyro all the time.

hold up... its not called the titantron? I referred to it as that like 2 days ago.

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Originally Posted by Fastway (Post 4991261)

Most people I know binge watch

That requires more time cleared than watching an episode of something.

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Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 4991335)

People still hate the ropes when they distract from the product. The 205 Live ropes still get criticized all the time.

It's not that nobody cared about the set designs. Every so often, things will come up like "How do you set the shows apart" and people say "different sets." It was like one of the most common pieces of input you'd see around the place.

I STILL hate the championship belt designs, but hate how they are booked even more.

There's a difference between people not caring and people just dropping an issue because it's done and they have to deal with it. People get sick of homogenization, and they eventually do things like stop watching show in enough numbers that you drop from #2 to #6.

Besides, the point isn't actually about the pyro, it's about Road Dogg being a public figure and talking down to audiences. Even if you do hold contempt for people, you don't go public with it and air it. "Unprofessional" isn't even the right word. It's Russo-level shit. Plus, it's more of that Vince McMahon/CyNick-spouted (in the wrestling sense, you see it all over the place) millennial trope bullshit that has been myth-busted time and time again. No, they're not lazy. No, they aren't dumb. No, their attention spans aren't worse. It's an old dude myth that gets perpetuated because it feels intuitively true to old dudes without anything to back it up. It fucks with every logic center in my brain.

It's talking out your ass. Someone in Road Dogg's position should not be doing that on Twitter. Period. Talk out your ass as a punter all you want. People will bust your balls with facts and data when they feel the need. But when you are in the position of representing the creative direction of a stagnant company, don't show yourself to be an ass-talker. Fuck's sake.

Pyro is definitely noticeable. It definitely gets the crowd to react, even if it was just for the opening of a show. Definitely adds to "characters" to, when properly applied.

They should still do shit like that for "PPV's". Something needs to set them apart. If the PPV's start to feel like weekly program (as they are more and more), I will be inclined to cancel the sub and forget about it altogether.

I stopped weekly over a year ago and it increased my enjoyment of what I did watch when I watched PPV's. But if they get bland like weekly programming, yea....

It's just another symptom of how boring and samesy it all is. It might be a small thing, but it's all those small things together that make the product to boring and unimaginative.

Making everything look the same is not going to help that

No, it's not, and it's a symptom of them needing to cut costs. I personally don't give a shit about pyro, but it reminds me of when the crowd was chanting "Fire Russo!" and Dixie Carter's response was to say "It wasn't even Russo who wrote that segment!". Um, there is a grander point here being missed...

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Originally Posted by Cool King (Post 4991335)

I admit I dont follow that avidly anymore but arent ratings down quite brutally across time? It seems a bit of a narrow view to think no one cares about those things if ratings are down.

I'm not saying thats necessarily the reason but any business taking a "they will get used to it approach" when one of its key metrics is falling seems short sighted to me.

Yes for RAW but not really for Smackdown.

Them removing pyro is just going to make their usual show format even more bland or sterile going forward.

Cool King and WWE's Road Dogg are right about the complaints not being an issue after a while but WWE also keeps giving less reasons for people to stick around for the long term.

I'm just going to be bummed when Renee Young gets fired next week.

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4991392)

Do you think they should attempt to make the PPV's "different" or stand out or anything?

Perhaps use pyro/effects ONLY on PPV's and/or mix up the set design just a bit. I dunno man, it is all starting to blend and become same same.

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Aww I'm gonna miss Talking Smack it figure when they have something genuine and enjoyable they ax it because that dinosaur Vince hates that its not heavily scripted bullshit

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 4991464)

Spending a bit of money on PPV shows to make them feel aesthetically different would go a long way to helping them stick in the memory. Maybe they don't always need to have completely unique sets or anything, but cool intro videos, specialized theme songs, different rope colors -- smaller genuine touches that don't require a whole load of money, but rather a little bit of creativity.

Pyro has its place in wrestling. Maybe not for every RAW or SmackDown or entrance, but if someone really calls for pyro -- give them pyro. It should come about organically as an aesthetic decision.

I think we're potentially putting the cart before the horse; I agree that pyro and unique sets would help the appeal of PPV/specials but there's far more pressing issues that would help more.

The shoe-horning of feuds into gimmick matches to suit the theme of the PPV is a big issue for me. As are the throw-away multi-person matches, or rematches of luke-warm programmes (looking at you Mahal/Orton). Or needlessly racing through hot feuds.

Oh, I don't think pyro is the biggest issue. It's just the attitude around the homogenization that bothers me. And the reason they need to cut costs is because their product is cold.

Dirtsheets sponsored by Rollins channeling his inner chicken:
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Originally Posted by Observer

Fueled by the Kurt Angle reveal, Raw did its best numbers since April 17th, averaging 3.15 million viewers, a five percent increase over last week's show that went head-to-head with the Home Run Derby ...

The three hours were:

8 p.m. 3.14 million viewers
9 p.m. 3.24 million viewers
10 p.m. 3.08 million viewers

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Originally Posted by Observer

After months of speculation, the storyline surrounding Kurt Angle and his secret led to a revelation on Raw tonight: he has a son, and it’s none other than one half of American Alpha, Jason Jordan.

Angle made the announcement at the top of the third hour of Raw. He revealed that he had a relationship with a woman during his college years. They broke up, but nine months later she gave birth to a baby boy. The son was adopted to loving parents, with Angle being unaware of the pregnancy or the birth until recently, and eventually grew up to be Jordan, who he also announced as the newest member of the Raw roster.

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Originally Posted by PWI

CHAD GABLE COMMENTS ON JASON JORDAN'S REVEAL

Ummmmm..... what?
— Chad Gable (@WWEGable) July 18, 2017

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Originally Posted by Pro Wrestling Sheet

Pro Wrestling Sheet has learned the saga between Jason Jordan and Kurt Angle will be a central storyline on Raw over the next few months … however, his tag partner won’t be switching brands.

Sources with direct knowledge tell us Jordan is set for a solid midcard level push following the reveal on Raw this week — in which Angle announced that Jason is his son — and his relationship with Kurt will grow as the Olympic athlete tries to be a father figure for Jason.

As for Jordan’s tag team American Alpha, it appears to be done for good. We’re told there aren’t any immediate plans to bring Chad Gable over to Raw.

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Originally Posted by Observer

Jerry Lawler announced that he'll be appearing on the Battleground pre-show on Sunday and on Talking Smack after the pay-per-view. Renee Young confirmed that she'll be hosting the show with him. That episode of Talking Smack will be the first since its weekly run ended.

Link to Lawler's tweet: https://twitter.com/JerryLawler/stat...59874517430272, Link to Renee's tweet: https://twitter.com/ReneeYoungWWE/st...30304004276225

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Taylor Wilde (who formerly wrestled in TNA) tweeted that she was considered for the Mae Young Classic but opted to stay in retirement after suffering an injury during training.

Link to the tweet: https://twitter.com/TaylorWilde/stat...07014862508032

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Originally Posted by Observer

Ring of Honor announced today its next major event would be an iPPV on August 19th from Liverpool, England.

One match was announced for the show, a four-way elimination match for the ROH TV title with KUSHIDA defending against Dalton Castle, Hiromu Takahashi, and Marty Scurll.

The show will be called "War of the Worlds UK -- Liverpool," and will be available for $19.99 through the ROH website and FITE TV. It will start at 1 p.m. Eastern time on a Saturday afternoon and will be the company's first iPPV show outside of the U.S. or Canada, although they have also had streaming specials on New Japan World.

The iPPV is part of the War of the Worlds UK tour, with dates also scheduled for August 18th at York Hall in London and August 20th at the Corn Exchange in Edinburgh, Scotland. Revolution Pro Wrestling's Summer Sizzler show is also set for York Hall on August 17th and is listed as a kickoff event for the tour.

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Originally Posted by Observer

After announcing that the show would be broadcast on iPPV, it didn't take long for Ring of Honor to reveal the main event of War of the Worlds UK: Liverpool.

It will be Cody Rhodes defending his ROH World Championship against Los Ingobernables de Japon member SANADA. Rhodes won the title at ROH's Best in the World pay-per-view last month when he defeated Christopher Daniels.

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Originally Posted by Observer

The G-1 tournament will continue on Thursday at 5:30 a.m. Eastern time from Korakuen Hall. That show has Kenny Omega vs. Minoru Suzuki, Kazuchika Okada vs. Toru Yano, Evil vs. Sanada, Michael Elgin vs. Tama Tonga and Juice Robinson vs. Satoshi Kojima. They did some teasing of some of those matches on today's show in Sapporo. Results are up, but people have been raving about today's first night of G-1.

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Originally Posted by Observer

We went into more detail on this on the show, but evidently the reason behind stripping Taya of her title without letting her know was part of a deal to bring Sexy Star back to AAA, as Sexy Star showed up as a surprise at AAA's tapings in Monterrey and won an elimination match for the Reina de Reinas title that Taya had until it was recently stripped from her for reasons that made no sense.

As expected, Taya was pissed on Twitter for both being stripped of the title and AAA not saying the reason why.

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Originally Posted by Observer

Lio Rush's final independent match before he starts with WWE will be on 8/12 for MCW in Joppa, MD. His last indie match will be in the same building where he started training only a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Observer

At Friday's Mae Young Classic tapings, Triple H presented Sara Amato (Sara Del Rey) with a bouquet of flowers and credited her for starting the women's revolution in WWE. Stephanie McMahon wrote on Instagram: "#ThankYouSara for all of your sacrifices on the independent circuit all around the world, helping pave the way for women's wrestling, and ensuring its future as the first women's coach and assistant Head Coach in @wwe. #WeAreNXT #WomensWrestling #maeyoungclassic #WeAreReady"

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Originally Posted by Observer

What Culture Pro Wrestling announced that Will Ospreay will be facing Rey Mysterio at their Pro Wrestling World Cup show on August 23rd.

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Originally Posted by Sports Illustrated

There is a major name on the free agent market in professional wrestling, and Sports Illustrated has learned that WWE and GFW/Impact are negotiating with Rey Mysterio.

Mysterio, 42, is currently seen on El Rey’s Lucha Underground. He is signed through the end of the third season, which is set to air in September, and would then be free to work with any company after his 90-day non-compete clause expires.

Link to the report: https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...gfw-free-agent

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Originally Posted by WrestleInc

There's speculation on WWE possibly trying to recruit 22 year old Iranian wrestler Hassan Yazdani, who won a gold medal at the 2016 Olympic games. Yazdani was mentioned several times on last night's RAW as Ariya Daivari dedicated his win over Akira Tozawa to Yazdani, as seen below.

Tonight's match against @TozawaAkira is dedicated to Iranian wrestler Hassan Yazdani...
Can @AriyaDaivariWWE "make it a win"? #RAW #205Live pic.twitter.com/9kvAesd4Kf
— 205Live (@WWE205Live) July 18, 2017

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Originally Posted by WrestleInc

After twenty-one years in the business, @TheMarkHenry discusses the next step in his @WWE career on #TableFor3! @WWENetwork pic.twitter.com/wXBsS09Tox
— WWE (@WWE) July 18, 2017

Above is video of Mark Henry talking to WWE Hall of Famers Ron Simmons and The Godfather on last night's "Table For 3" episode. Regarding his WWE future, Henry says his in-ring time is coming to an end as he goes from a talent to a behind-the-scenes employee in a few months. Henry talks about being focused on helping the company with new talents.

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Originally Posted by WrestleInc

Regarding plans for the RAW Women's Title at WWE SummerSlam, Dave Meltzer noted on Wrestling Observer Radio that the title will no longer be defended in a Fatal 4 Way. No word yet on who Alexa Bliss will defend against but it looks to be a singles match. There have been rumors of Bliss vs. Nia Jax happening. As noted, next week's RAW will feature Sasha Banks vs. Bayley with the winner earning a SummerSlam shot from Bliss.

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Originally Posted by WrestleInc

Emma expressed her frustration on Twitter last night about not being used on television.

Emma returned to action in mid-June after suffering a shoulder injury in early May. WWE teased a storyline with her and Dana Brooke during the Great Balls Of Fire Kickoff show last week but have yet to follow up on it.

During the Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss match on last night's RAW, Emma wrote, "watching Alexa Vs Bayley... Then Sasha and Nia.. Love watching others get more opportunities that I never get! Cool.."

Emma had signed a contract with WWE in 2011. She revealed her Emma ring name in August of 2012. She tweeted that she has been with the company for five years and was just sitting backstage at RAW.

You can check out Emma's tweets below:

Here in #WWENashville watching Alexa Vs Bayley... Then Sasha and Nia.. Love watching others get more opportunities that I never get! Cool..??
— EMMA (@EmmaWWE) July 18, 2017

Sitting backstage at #RAW on my 5yrs with @WWE... Happy Anniversary to me! ??#RAWNashville
— EMMA (@EmmaWWE) July 18, 2017

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Originally Posted by WrestleInc

The first two nights of the 32-women Mae Young Classic tournament concluded on Friday. It was noted in the latest edition of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter that there were some people in WWE - the ones "who believe that WWE women all have to be hot" - that were not happy about the tournament. They reportedly felt that a lot of the women in it weren't good looking enough for WWE standards.

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Some other sheet news includes:

Finn Balor posted a picture of the head gash he suffered from The Drifter's guitar shot on last night's RAW. https://twitter.com/FinnBalor/status/887131409172881408
In a "WWE Did You Know" type fact, yesterday was the 29th anniversary of the death of Bruiser Brody.
In another "WWE Did You Know" type fact, there have been 46 title matches in the history of the Universal title so far with Kevin Owens competing in all except 3 matches. Brock Lesnar has the second most Universal title matches at 2. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCirc...match_was_330/
GFW recently announced they have extended their talent exchange partnership with Pro Noah Wrestling with more stars announced for upcoming GFW and NOAH shows. http://www.pwinsider.com/article/110...-noah.html?p=1
Recent blog posting by Jim Ross on his official blog talked about the Mae Young Classic, Angle-Jordan announcement, and Braun Strowman. http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/...-jason-jordan/
Kevin Owens debunking rumors of adult photos of him being leaked online. https://twitter.com/FightOwensFight/...46142294843394
WWE was warned recently of another batch of leaked adult photos and videos being made public soon. https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/sta...07666237173760
Chris Jericho revealed this Friday's episode of Talk Is Jericho will have Observer's Dave Meltzer as the guest. https://twitter.com/talkisjericho/st...75917864398848

Lol, I don't know how wise that move of Emma's is. They tried making her a star, but she couldn't pull it off. She's lucky to be there, given they fired her once.

Rey Mysterio would be a welcome attraction anywhere, but I can't really see where he fits into the current WWE landscape, to be honest.

He could be the star 205 Live needs

Neville and Mysterio could tear the house down

How is Rey's work right now? is he working his more plodding wwe style he worked towards the end of his run, or has the time off given him some more oomph?

I have the impression he's had more oomph, but I cannot bear witness to this myself. I don't imagine that anyone who hires him expects him to go full-time.

I'm just imagining a babyface team consisting of Chad Gable and Rey Mysterio going against The Usos.

Given the shit AAA pulled by screwing over Morrison and Taya, I can't imagine that either of them are long for the AAA/LU world. I imagine that Morrison is locked in, but I can see him getting out of it, because AAA are notoriously shit at contracts.

If he does, it wouldn't surprise me to see Morrison pop-up in the WWE for either a feud or partnership with The Miz.

Nothing compared to jumping off a 300 ft TitanTron

Speaking of Rey, he'll be headlining a nearby indy show next month with Cody Rhodes.

That same promotion ran a show here in town last Friday that saw Cody and Ricochet have a banger of a main event. Jack Swagger and Dijak had a fun match earlier on the card too. I'd go see that promotion again.

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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4992620)

How is Rey's work right now? is he working his more plodding wwe style he worked towards the end of his run, or has the time off given him some more oomph?

The limited LU schedule really brought a lot of his swagger back. He's smaller now than he was at his WWE peak and he looks pretty great. Lemme dig up a recent LU match for you.

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4992623)

It's a work.

thanks Dave, but it's not available in my country :'(

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Originally Posted by Dastardly Dale Newstead (Post 4992725)

thanks Dave, but it's not available in my country :'(

Download a browser addon called "Hola". It will let you get around any geo-location based DRM.

It will give you a little icon in the right-corner of your browser, you simply select what country you want to "spoof" your network settings from and viola.

I had Hola but the powers that be got wise to it :(

nah like there is just practices put in place to pwn Hola.