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Underdog Bullshit I agree, there not underdogs.

overhyped? I disagree, but then again, I don't see the promotion they get in other states. However sox and especially sox v. yanks sell tickets and shirts, and tv ads and hats and etc...

There are other teams that could spend the money and they don't.

There are other teams that should and they don't. One thing I've always agreed with steinbrenner on is this lux tax, he feels if a team is getting x$ to "even out" the playing field, they should be required to spend it on payroll or not get it.

Makes sense, the whole point of the money being paid by the over-spenders to the under-spenders is to even out the payroll feild, so to see owners like Minnesota put it in their pocket makes little sense.

nice try, you're an idiot. I'm a fan, everyone was disagraced by the game 3 performance.

Red sox are my fav baseball team, always have been always will be.

That being said, I'll take the Pats over then any day, even when the Pats were 1-15.

I'm the first to admit I didn't know all the info on Hafner, and the way your first preseneted it, it seemed like he missed a lot more then 2 weeks, (115 at bats, would seem to be 20-30 games?).

and my statement I stand by is if a Player misses a big part of the season due to injury, then I can't give them the MVP. Same way I can't put Terrell Davis in the HOF.

Looking at it now, you make a great case for Hafner, I still pick Ortiz, simply because I've seen him more and am more aware of what he means to the team (game winning stuff), I'm sure if I watched more of Hafners games I might feel different, thought I clarafied this already...

So, home runs, rbi's and Batting Avg are now meaniningless stats for an MVP?

If you take away all that, it becomes either the Cy Young award or Gold Glove.

and again, as I clarafied at the time I was not aware of the AB difference.

But doesn't make HR, RBI, and BA. meaninigless stats...

nice try though!

You are REALLY REALLY stupid. What he meant was that BA, HR, and RBI don't exactly prove the Most Valuable Player.

HR is a good stat if the sample size is similar. RBI can be an okay stat but it's team dependent, so if your team is shitty you aren't going to have big RBI numbers. BA is probably the most overrated stat in baseball. OBP is an excellent stat because it measures the ability to not make outs. That's the name of the game.

When I pick an MVP I try to not look to much into stats. My NL MVP is Andruw Jones who has a ton of HR's and not much else. But where would Atlanta be without him? In the gutter. That's value.

I agree that you can't give the MVP to a guy who misses a big part of the season. 2 weeks is not a big part of the season.

If you would've just admitted at the beginning that you don't know anything about Hafner and picked Ortiz because you don't know any better then there wouldn't have had to been a debate.

Colorado Rockies

Guess you didn't watch baseball in 1995

Oh yeah. They won a Wild Card. And made a first round exit.


Tampa Bay?

...and yet there you were, the only one wearing a paperbag over his head. I'm surprised you didn't get the shit beat out of you.

I already stated that, I also stated you're not a real baseball/RedSox, something you agree with me in your next point.



You realize you've put yourself in a position that if the RedSox do not repeat you are opening for a lot of trash talk, right?

Last game of the year for Toronto. WOO Vernon Wells just stole 3rd base. I hope the Jays are busy in the off season, one report...LOL... have them picking up Manny. To be honest, I don't think that would be smart. He's too much an air head. I hope they go after A.J. Burnett and J. Washburn. Not one of them, but both. The other thing would be get rid of Hinske. I'm sure someone out there would be gullible enough to take him in a trade.

Oh yeah, Tony Clark for MVP. If not MVP, then some god damn recognition about how amazing he was this year.

Burnett will probably be considered the top FA starter so he's likely to go the NewYork/Boston route. Not to mention he's injury prone. Washburn I don't know, if I were the Blue Jays I wouldn't want him. He's a flyball pitcher which isn't a good thing in SkyDome. I think Joe Myas would be a great FA pick up for them. Halladay, Chacin, Lilly, Mays, and Towers/Bush is very good.

I don't know too much about Toronto and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the bullpen sitution. I think Frasor should close and Speier, Schoenweis, and League be the main guys out of the bullpen. There's probably something I don't know about though.

Toronto does have a good bullpen, one of the better ones in baseball. Josh Towers finished so strong that he should be able to garner a starting position next year. Burnett is buddy buddy with Toronto's pitching coach so he's a strong candidate to wind up in a Blue Jay uniform. Like all things, money talks, so we'll see. Batista fell apart late this year, but hopefully they can move him on to someone else (much like Hinske) Toronto has a lot of young talent that may attract other teams in terms of trade bait. Rumbles that Orlando Hudson may be moved, but he's a winner and it's tough to see that happening. Thing is you have to move talent to get talent back.

Frasor and League have great stuff, (so does Speir) out of the bullpen but they're young and I'm not convinced in pressure situations that they could hold up.

Yeah Joe Mays will be a great pickup for any team <font color=black>Except the Twins!

Mays, I don't know. He's had arm troubles too. So if you're going to make mention of that shortcoming by A.J. you can't discount it in Mays. Mays hasn't been good since 2001, tbh.

I'm very interested to see what the Jays do with their Koskie. They put so much money into Koskie and pressure to be a main face in the franchise but he didn't deliver and Hill made such a strong case to start.

Thing with Burnett is that he had such a distarous end to the season that he may not get a big contract offer. I dunno if its just the biasness of Canadian media but they are making it out like Burnett and our pitching coach are BFF.

Manny gunned down Jeter at 2nd in the first. Anyone see that shit? Pretty sick

Yeah Manny got him by three steps. Stupid move on Jeter's part in all honesty.

Maybe the Jays can pick up Morneau in the off season. Seems like he and Torii can't get along. I know it's more likely that Torii will be on the move, but still nice to speculate.

3 steps? What?

He barely got him. Manny is one of the best at playing balls off the monster. Red Sox just made the playoffs. Suck it haters

Red Sox > YOUR FAVORITE TEAM

I would rather trade Morneau to the Jays for Koskie and Halladay :p

Really though, I don't see why, for any reason, the Twins would trade Hunter. It would be so rediculous if we did. I'm not saying that we won't, like I did with Moss, I am just saying that it would be rediculously stupid.

Check the replays, cousin. He was DOA by 3 steps, easy. Manny played that off the wall perfectly.

RedSox should be smart and pull their starting roster now that they've secured the wildcard. If someone got injured... LOL I say, but it would be bad news as a Sox fan.

What if someone's favorite team is the New York Yankees? :o

Stima.
Let me ask you something.

Would you ever go to a RedSox game and wear a paper bag over your head? On said bag, would you write "Who's your daddy?" on it. What's your opinion of someone that would do this, someone that claims to be a RedSox fan?

I would hope Manny is one of the best at playing the ball off the Monster. He only plays there for half the season.

Honest to god, if Manny gets hurt right here, I would laugh so fucking hard. Why is he still in the game?

I'd bean him. Give him something to think about. I swear I would.

LOL yeah, seriously. C'mon stima

<font color=goldenrod>MLB Playoffs Predictions

<b><u>LDS</u></b>
-San Diego Padres @ St. Louis Cardinals (Cards should take this one EASILY because the Padres suck)
-Houston Astros @ Atlanta Braves (Awesome pitching vs. about 15 rookies in the pressure of the playoffs....I like the Stros here)
-New York Yankees @ Anaheim Angels (Definately the hardest 1st round series to predict, IMO....but I'll go with the Yanks)
-Boston Red Sox @ Chicago White Sox (Red Sox will probably pull through here)

<b><u>LCS (ie: 2004 rehash)</u></b>
-Houston Astros @ St. Louis Cardinals (Cards)
-Boston Red Sox @ New York Yankees (After last year, this is too hard to predict...but it doesn't matter because I think..)

<b><u>WS</u></b>
-St. Louis Cardinals @ Whoever (Cards)</font>

WOOOOO

Padres VS Cardinals - Cards. Although I've always had a soft spot for the Padres.

Houston Vs Atlanta - Astros. Seem to be playing a lot better than the Braves, that plus the deep pitching they have.

Yankees VS Angels - Angels. I think this is the years of the 'upset' in the AL. Mind you the Yankees pitching sucks so bad, I hardly consider it an upset.

WhiteSox VS RedSox - WhiteSox. As mentioned above... 'upset' and pitching.


Cards Vs Astros - all things being equal I go with the Astros. I see the deep pitching and Berkman, who's on fire taking them past the shell shocked Cards who come in flat after an easy series with San Diego.

Angels Vs. White Sox - End of a great season for the Sox. Lack of experience and out managed is their demise.

Astros Vs Angels. - All hail the rally monkey. Nah,.. I predict a close series, but the Astros winning it.

I dunno, I don't see the Padre's just getting smacked around. Peavy and Eaton are two real good pitchers and if they can make some things work there are a few threats on the Padre's offense.

Red Sox - Padres

2 Wildcard teams

...as long as the Padres win.

The Padres aren't the wildcard though

OH YEAH. Dunno why I thought that.

I have no idea how I want the playoffs to end up. Seriously. I thought I was sick of NY/BOS, but I wouldn't mind seeing it again. It'd be nice to see the Astros go, or the Padres upset, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Braves finally make it to the WS.

I DON'T KNOW