Not even Tiny could be stupid enough to alienate Jericho, Mox, Omega, Page, The Bucks, and whoever else is loyal to those guys, just to bring CM Turd back.

The only positives would be:
1. He would likely get injured again anyways
2. Maybe FTR Bald would whine just a little less

Punk could do the obvious mega feud if he comes back then work ROH as the top guy :shifty:

I just cannot see how anyone takes AEW’s side in this shit, or still convinces themselves that Punk wants to come back to that shitshow. They tried to get him to work hurt, he’s mad at so much (and justifiably so).

You don’t have to like Punk to see this and lolAEW.

That works both ways. You don't have to stan for a toxic CM Punk just to lolAEW. Dude ends up in drama everywhere he goes, always pisses off people in power and can't keep his mouth shut to save his life. Just because TK/Elite are turds and the situation was handled poorly doesn't suddenly mean Punk was right.

#punkwasright

Seph started it.

Supercard of Honor Lineup

<b>ROH World Championship</b>
Eddie Kingston vs. Claudio Castagnoli (C)

<b>ROH Television Championship</b>
Mark Briscoe vs. Samoa Joe (C)

<b>AAA Mega Championship</b>
Komander vs. El Hijo del Vikingo (C)

<b>ROH Pure Championship</b>
Katsuyori Shibata vs. Wheeler Yuta (C)

<b>ROH Women's Championship</b>
Yuka Sakazaki vs. Athena (C)

<b>"Reach for the Sky" Ladder Match for the vacant ROH Tag Team Championship</b>
The Lucha Brothers vs. Aussie Open vs. The Kingdom vs. La Faccion Ingobernable

<b>ROH 6-Man Tag Team Championship</b>
AR Fox, Blake Christian, and Metalik vs. The Embassy (C)

fuck me....this card looks fun

You don’t burst into someone’s personal space without expecting some sort of fight out of it. Probably violated Punk’s contract too. Good stuff. :y:

Dave is now apparently apologizing for the mess he’s caused because now Punk’s come out with more details about what fucking asswipes AEW management are.

Thoughts of ROH:

* Don’t care about any six-man belts. They’re always a detriment. Yawn.

* Remember when ROH used to make a big deal out of their Ladder Wars? Oh well.

* Fuck Athena.

* Yay for men dying in the ring.

* Vikingo sucks. Wooo, flips!

* Mark Briscoe vs. Samoa Joe could be good.

* Claudio vs. Kingston could also be good, but they’ve really done their best to make you not care about either guy.

Yeah, looks like the shits.

Dave withheld the information that Punk’s injunction was because he wasn’t medically cleared. When you believe all that weird shit clunking around in your head about Punk being a cancer or whatnot, you are absorbing the bullshit of an extremely jealous and insecure locker room.

The “news” out there is designed to protect AEW’s image. Use some critical thinking when it comes to the situation. It’s not that hard to decipher. AEW is a mess and how things have been handled from the start would make the most sane people bend.

In this case, yes. Should he have buried the company at the scrum? No. But Page did it and didn’t get any repercussions. Why are you holding shoot media scrums anyway?

LolAEW

Punk was legitimately trying to make AEW better. For his own ego or bottom line? Very likely. But that is what he was trying to do. And he was having minor success until he came up against the egos of the “everything is awesome” crowd. You don’t have to love the guy to admit that. The “Punk is trying to hurt AEW” shit comes from that Jericho/Elite camp.

That camp, by the way, is the one holding AEW back. Punk’s Rampage anomaly showed how they’ve niched the company. They don’t want it to be more successful than it is, because what’s possible makes what they’ve actually achieved look feeble. And if you’re going to wring millions of dollars out of a billionaire’s son, you want him to believe you’re doing the best job possible.

You also have to throw in the self-consciousness these guys have around Jim Cornette and traditional wrestling philosophy. These guys don’t want to have to admit that logical, credible work is the route to wrestling having appeal. The last thing they want to do is go out there and prove Cornette right. It’s got to be under “logic can be thrown out the window” terms. Pink ruffled that by talking to young guys and pointing out there is a more effective way to do things.

If Danielson held seminars where he tried to train the guys up zero them in on effective techniques to get over, Omega would start a smear campaign against him too.

Imagining Noid "simmering" behind his computer/phone screen and just keeping coming back to add on another thought like "I'm not done yet"

Lol, I’m not simmering, but I do have a lot to say on it. It’s just baffling to me how people can look at this scenario and go “Yep, Punk’s the bad guy.” I guess there are all types in this world, but I just cannot disconnect from reality that much. And that’s coming from fantasy-living me, lol.

I think most people's opinion is that they're all jackasses.

Punk was fucking ambushed on live television and Tony does nothing.

I dunno — that seems like the safe position and there are differing levels of jackass.

I honestly wish people would stop supporting this bush league. I guess they are tuning out, but not as fast as they deserve. I want the shoot interviews lol.

Approx. 93% of everyone involved with the rassling business is a jackass

Which is why it’s important to look at the actual situation(s) and the context of what has went down. You’re not going to get an accurate read by just saying “Hmm, Punk’s an asshole, therefore it’s definitely his fault.”

The difference between the assholes in this scenario is that one side has a bunch of stupider assholes. And the more that Punk forces out of Meltzer the more apparent that becomes.

Mr. Nerfect is excellent at measuring and weighing assholes. He will scrutinize all the assholes and sniff out the s**t

Sometimes the safe position is the reality of the situation. Everyone involved behaved childishly. I don't find it necessary to single out who was more childish. It's irrelevant.

99.9% of pro wrestlers aren't the worst MMA fighter in history. :yes:

It's cute watching Noid blame Chris Jericho for everything with no evidence while complaining how its unfair for people to blame Punk for constantly getting in drama every single place he goes.

We all know the reality is that the only reason Noid stans for Punk now is because he has an irrational hatred of AEW and will digitally fellate anyone he perceives as going after upper management there.

"The sentiment is that CM Punk is not welcomed back. The wrestlers don't want him back, the vast majority of wrestlers don't want him back. Maybe 1 or 2 of the top 3rd of the roster would want him back and then I’ve heard there's some younger guys who really liked him.”

- Wade Keller (via PWTorch)

The vast majority of people that actually know him are wrong! Fuck Chris Jericho!

- Noid

I would disagree it’s irrelevant. There’s a difference between good business and bad business. There is a difference between the environment with Punk and the environment with The Elite. You can say both sides are assholes, but there’s context to the situation.

Who does Wade Keller talk to? Your irrational ranting aside, Punk left WWE on his own accord after navigating that system for almost a decade. What was his drama in ROH? Sure, some people are magnets for it anyway, but when you tell the truth in the room full of workers that can happen.

He’s an outspoken prick. He doesn’t suffer fools. It doesn’t make him wrong in this situation. He was ambushed by a jealous idiot on the microphone — true or false? He was asked to work hurt — true or false? Even if the issue WERE his in other places, it doesn’t excuse this mess. I can hate AEW and still assess the situation properly. Your Punk thing is way more out of balance than my AEW thing.

P.S. I don’t think I’ve solely blamed Jericho at all, but that dude’s a cunt. Let’s take a poll of the black wrestlers who know him. What is the point you are trying to make? Because he doesn’t like someone they should go?

This whole Dave Meltzer apologizing for telling the AEW-friendly story is good evidence that your view on this whole thing is skewered by a gang of toxic people who have Dave’s ear to get their narrative out.

Renee Paquette has confirmed that Mox will be on her podcast this week and that he will talk about the Punk situation and his now-deleted post.

Wonder how long until the podcast before Mox blades.

My view isn't skewed at all. The fact that Punk attacked Jericho in the post says everything that needed to be said. Jericho had nothing to do with it. The meeting was between Mox, TK and Punk. Meltzer wrote the report. Punk attacks Jericho.

You seem to really struggle with the concept that not liking Punk and thinking he's an overrated toxic asshole doesn't mean someone supports TK and the Elite. This has been repeatedly pointed out to you but you still just blindly ignore it. They are all assholes but the rest of them aren't using public platforms to throw each other under the bus; only Punk is doing that shit.

And he has a history of it which makes it way harder to keep overlooking.

I await your response trying to further insinuate Jericho is racist even though I'm not sure what that has to do with anything here.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I will say this. As an observer, it seems like I spent 8 years on the Indies, did a couple years in developmental, did 8 years in WWE. <br><br>I have never seen so much bullshit drama in one place (AEW) in my entire fucking life.“<br><br>- Jon Moxley<br>(via The Sessions) <a href="https://t.co/QYpeEHLtPL">pic.twitter.com/QYpeEHLtPL</a></p>&mdash; WrestlePurists (@WrestlePurists) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlePurists/status/1640669640538955776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He does mention that the vast majority of the locker room are good people. But this is gonna be the line everyone runs with. Especially the weirdos who spend their days praying for AEW's downfall.

The "big happy family" narratives really did start getting blown up in 2022 though, starting from Cody's departure and rumored backstage power struggles right on through to now. Then again I don't think it was ever realistic for them to maintain the sense of "togetherness" you always heard about during the pandemic era shows.

Read any story about any company in any business growing and expanding and you'll find people concerned about what this means for their jobs, now multiply it tenfold to account for some of the bombastic personalities you get in wrestling and yeah. This isn't terribly surprising.

Stay tuned for the next episode, "MoX bAcK tO wWe CoNfIrMeD" or "ThIs Is AlL a WoRk LoL lOnG-tErM sToRyTeLlInG"

He doesn’t like Jericho. Why does he need to leave Jericho out of his gripe with the company of Jericho is part of that gripe?

Punk’s story is the one you seldom here. The others have been using Dave Meltzer and a whole bunch of other people to get their narratives through.

Fucking lol. Moxley is supposed to be “Mr. AEW.”

Moxley has stated that he was AEW World Champion without a contract. It’s hard to make out everything he meant, because he talks like an angry teenager, but in the excerpt I saw he claims he could have walked into SummerSlam with the fucking AEW fucking belt shit.

Does he have anything more on CM Punk other than basically “I was doing you a favor dude because I didn’t have to come back and work for this company at all?”

Is Mox trying to do a thing where he is such a company guy that he didn’t leave with the belt so he’s so great? Did he realize how much he was burying the company? My first read was he’s so frustrated with that place, but maybe he was just trying to (poorly) defend himself against the Punk implications?

He kind of highlighted that WWE really doesn’t want him anymore. If they could have had the AEW Champion show up at SummerSlam, they’d have done it. The self-mutilation and garbage stuff has really boxed Moxley off from them.

So Tony’s an idiot for backing a truck up.