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I've never said the numbers aren't "good enough." The numbers are what they are. It's how you read them that matters. I don't doubt that Nielsen calculates 750k with a 0.25 demo or whatever to be AEW's purported numbers. It's just how literally and seriously you take that in 2020 or when the numbers are that low that a few boxes could throw them out, seemingly significantly.

I don't "gloat" about WWE's numbers. I just find it fun to point out when people "gloat" about Dynamite "beating" NXT by 11k viewers or whatever (which could mean one person with a box fell asleep), compared to the industry leader (apparently uncool), which more than doubles them in overall viewership and that alleged key demo. By that archaic system, AEW still doesn't perform like people try to will it to.

Again, I understand why people are biased, but it's just fucking frustrating for someone who likes to look at things logically to see "NXT UP!" as the ratings subheading, or whatever, and "Raw is fucking crashing" when Raw is doing significantly well compared to AEW, who don't even have a significant lead on the "competition" they are said to be beating each week. It's a crooked narrative.

How often does Meltzer talk about the key demo for Raw? Hardly fucking ever. It usually only comes up when talking about AEW because it is the one way they usually look somewhat significantly better than NXT. The story with Raw is the falling viewership. And when it's not the falling viewership, then we'll focus on the "key demo," which usually never comes up because it smokes AEW or was otherwise quite strong even prior to AEW starting up.

SmackDown aces the key demo almost every week on Fridays. It performs very well in that slot. Doesn't it usually get a 0.7? I think it tied someone this week. That's not important when talking about SmackDown though, because what is important is "tsk, tsk, viewership." Until that viewership goes up, then if the key demo sits around the same, it will be that they didn't increase that. It'd work the other way with AEW. If the viewership goes up, that will be the story, even if the key demo goes down -- but if the key demo is strong, then the viewership won't matter.

More often than you think considering that's what him and Alvarez usually do during their weekly Radio show, Newsletters, and websites and not just in response to AEW.

If your expecting detailed stuff from Meltzer for RAW, that's usually in his Newsletter.

If your expecting something similar to the breakdowns he does for AEW and NXT, your not really going to get that because there is no direct wrestling comparisons for Monday unlike Wednesday. Even he mentioned that's the reason he regained interest in doing detailed demo breakdowns because of the new Wednesday War. Closest your going to get for Mondays is whenever football or playoffs are on giving that day.

Literally from today's report on the Observer's website about RAW's ratings this week.

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The 0.53 rating in 18-49 was identical to last week even though it was a strong 12 percent increase in viewers overall. The real gains from last week were with teenagers and those over the age of 50.

While the open was strong, the show kept its viewers through tons of talking and angles better than any Raw episode in a long time, with the second hour beating the first and the third hour only being down seven percent from the first.

The show was down 13 percent from the same week last year and 25 percent in 18-49, both numbers better than the show had been doing.

From hour one to three, the show dropped 14 percent with women 18-49, and 12 percent with men 18-49, 12 percent with teenage girls, and 26 percent with teenage boys but only five percent with the largest audience, which is those over 50.

Last week's:

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Raw did a 0.53 in 18-49, up eight percent from last week even though viewership overall was almost identical. Raw tied for third place in the demo since news shows were at a much lower level than last week. Overall Raw was 23rd on cable for the night and fourth among non-news shows.

The top two shows were episodes of 90 Day Fiance on TLC which did 3.36 million and 2.67 million viewers and 1.03 and 0.78 ratings in 18-49.

Raw was down 18.3 percent from the same week last year, but that show went head-to-head with an NBA playoff game that did 18.22 million viewers and was also the all-time non-holiday low up to that point in history, which shows how much the bottom number has dropped over the past year.

The first-to-third hour drops were 15 percent with women 18-49, 14 percent for men 18-49, 32 percent with teenage girls while teenage boys increased four percent from hour one to three and over 50 dropped nine percent.

1st week of June:

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Raw did a 0.49 in 18-49, placing it 13th in the demo behind 11 news shows and Below Deck Mediterranean on Bravo which did 0.55.

Titan Games on NBC against the first hour of Raw did 4,152,000 viewers, a 21 percent increase from week one, even with the intense news that dominated the day.

Raw was overall only 42nd in viewership on cable, but of the shows that beat it, only two were entertainment shows, both episodes of 90 Day Fiance on TLC.

As far as the usual first-to-third hour viewer decline, it was 22 percent in women 18-49, 20 percent in men 18-49, 22 percent in teenage girls, and eight percent in teenage boys. The overall number would have been much worse but the first-to-third hour decline was only six percent in over 50, which is the company's prime viewing audience these days.

Total viewers were down 29 percent from the same week last year.

The record low for Raw in the modern era was on May 4 with 1.68 million viewers and 0.46 in 18-49. This week's third hour of 1.57 million viewers was the second lowest of the modern era, behind hour three on May 4 that did 1.55 million.

This one did include a bit on AEW but more on them having the most viewers at home average by around a 0.1 of a difference that week compared to what they were averaging before. Also an update on Smackdown's rating since the prior week's numbers were thrown off by the protests and riots coverage.

I’m not saying he doesn’t include them numbers, Smeat. I’m saying he uses them in sly ways. Yes, usually on his radio shows. But look at the use of “even though” and “only.” I get why he does the anti-WWE thing.

AEW and NXT both bounced back up this week

AEW - 772k
NXT - 746k

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Nice boost overall for both shows. The lack of any major sports competition helped as well.

Haven’t they been without major sports competition for weeks?

Last week had a NASCAR race which had some added interest over the whole Confederate flag controversy that ended up boosting its numbers more than usual.

The same 1.5 million fans each week give or take

SD had like 2.04 million or something

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WWE Backstage made a return to the top 150 programs on Cable Tuesday, narrowly defeating a re-run of the 1964 series Gomer Pyle, USMC on Sundance.

The replay of Evolution, like WM31 the week before, did not make the top 150 programs so ratings are not available.

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2 weeks later Backstage is canceled

Technically it will still air before PPVs, like a pre-kickoff 'kickoff show'

Decent number considering it avoided the usual tumble downwards following a post-PPV bump and/or something big happening on the side.

Had the 1st hour not been stronger, probably would have been looking at a 1.8 million number for this week since the 3rd hour was a lot worse than last week.

NXT: 786,000
AEW: 633,000

Yeah, I wonder what caused the surge for NXT. Congrats to 'em, I like to see both Wednesday shows do well in the viewers department.

Not sure why AEW fluctuates between 100k viewers up and down every other week. No rhyme or reason to it.

in b4 Gertner and Noid post about AEW being in trouble

Bahahahahaha CRUSHED!

Hey AEW, 2014 Impact called. They want their ratings back.

Lol that's what happens when you put a comedy wrestler in your Main Event

Take it from here Noid

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Because it's the same 1.5 million fans watching AEW and NXT. That's what happens when you cater to a niche audience of a niche audience.

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Seems it might have been older viewers because they tipped the scales by a lot since NXT had a 0.42 and AEW hd just a 0.26. That's the only area in the demos where whatever AEW lost, NXT gained that amount.

Whatever caused the decline in key demo viewers, it wasn't because of NXT since they didn't gain them. Probably wasn't even anything AEW related except maybe for the main event since NXT had the hyped up Triple Threat match but that wouldn't have been enough to cause that kind of a shift to happen.

Ahahahahahahaha! AHAHAHAHA!

Taker Tribute SD episode - 2.174 million

Big Show = Death

1.735 million

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I expect NXT to beat AEW this week too. WWE's done a good job promoting the Great American Bash and there is a lot of interest in Sasha vs Io

I expect WWE Main Event to beat AEW this week as well. Same with Sunday Night Heat, Velocity and Jakked

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Big Show = Death

1.735 million

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Not surprised since the (big) show did feel pretty boring overall and the spike in interest and curiosity from Prichard running things wasn't going to last long.

Pretty much if you like his handling of Smackdown in recent weeks, then your going to like RAW since its pretty much the same thing. If not, then there really isn't that much of a bright spot for the brand since almost all of the new guys and stuff Heyman was pushing got tossed to the side.

18 - 49 down almost 50%

18 - 34 down more than 50%

12 - 34 down more than 50%

25 - 54 down almost 50%

50 + down about 25%

Lol, Raw did about three times as many viewers as AEW.

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I expect NXT to beat AEW this week too. WWE's done a good job promoting the Great American Bash and there is a lot of interest in Sasha vs Io

AEWs big problem is night 2 if Moxley/Cage doesn't happen which is supposed to be taped on thursday.

Night 1 (tonight's card) looks good on paper but night 2 next week without Mox/Cage will be bad

Isn't Mox confirmed for the show? Either way, I think Jericho and Cassidy sinks it.

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Isn't Mox confirmed for the show? Either way, I think Jericho and Cassidy sinks it.

What I read was he's tested negative a bunch of times but that doesn't mean anything.

If he’s tested negative, they’ll let him work.

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I expect NXT to beat AEW this week too. WWE's done a good job promoting the Great American Bash and there is a lot of interest in Sasha vs Io

I was correct

AEW: 748,000
NXT: 792,000

#6 and #13

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