I guarantee nobody in the arena took HHH's comments as seriously as TPWW.

"OMG, how will Daniel Bryan and David Otunga ever get over?>>>?" HHH said he was better than them!!!!!"

The whole angle was silly,the pedigree to the match, it didn't do anything for Bourne and just buried Shamus

There were so many different ways to put over Taker's streak as the last great thing to accomplish other than saying that their locker room sucked.

For being so good to even great last few weeks I would be so pissed if I was in Buffalo and paid to watch that live. There was like someone already said 30 mins tops of actual wrestling with the rest either long boring promos or on tape promos.

Bout the only thing I saw good tonight was Miz being made to be strong. Hated had to squash Bryan to do it though.

The Sheamus thing confuses me a lot. Of course there are the rumors of Kevin Dunn not liking this guy but c'mon. Insane he went from Wrestling HHH at last Mania to now being buried by him. If anyone didn't need a rub going into Mania its HHH. So much for the Sheamus-Bryan feud I was hoping for meaning anything after last week.

Seriously they've only been feuding since the nXt days and Bryan was the one who beat Miz for the US in the first so place oh noes he's a jobber now just cuz he attacked from behind to probly help push him to the main event down the line REALLY?!? Overall I didn't think the show was all that bad other than the fact that it was crammed up with so many promos by major stars when rather than having some actual matches to help the buildup to WM even if they were predictibly booked. Let's face in Vinces eyes new young talent doesn't equal good buyrates and this is why we are seeing this sudden shift but once it's all said and done I foresee that the guys that were pushing a few months back other than ADR that is will be in the thick of things.

It's the fact that there was no reason to bury Sheamus a one time credible champion again.


You want Bourne to come back? Great. Have him take on some other middling like R-Truth or DiBiase who's already been sufficiently jobbed. Or here's an earth shattering idea, try to actaully have Daniel Bryan have a feud with someone!

I mean I can't get over how awful it all is. I mean who in their right mind now would care if Bryan feuds with Sheamus? Even prior to Elimination Chamber it'd look like a good feud of Sheamus, the #3 heel taking on Bryan. Now? They're just two jobbers.

Look at the big picture here. They wanted to debut HHH and Taker right before Mania. If you bring either back before the Rumble or EC then the excitement goes away. There just isn't time to do a closure program with PPVs for Sheamus. Not that it even matters because there isn't any doubt that HHH would win after being gone for almost a year. So HHH kicks Sheamus in the balls and Pedigrees him on a table and now both men are free to go about their business. Sheamus does not need to think about going to TNA or anything right now.

He didn't say the locker room sucked ffs.

He said he had beaten everyone already.

And like it or not, Triple H and Taker ARE viewed as being on a higher level than the rest of the locker room. With Jericho and HBK gone, they are the last two veteran icons of the WWE. No matter how well you push younger talent, they won't be looked at in the same way by the fans as guys like HHH and Taker. There is too much history to their careers.

So even if you wanted to take what Triple H said the wrong way, the casual fans were probably already thinking it anyway.

You're probably right. But when you have a guy in the organization publically saying they don't like you, and in 2011 they book you from winning King of the Ring to jobbing clean to Mark Henry, you should be concerned.

They could have EASILY done something better. How about Sheamus coming out and they brawl for two minutes and the GM announces next week is a No DQ Falls Count Anywhere match between the two??

A 15 minute main event ensues, and you can have the same conclusion.


Sheamus looks strong in defeat, and HHH vanquishes his foe. Much better and nicer way to get BOTH over instead of Sheamus potentially booking a ticket of Superstar main events with William Regal and Yoshi Tatsu.

<font color=goldenrod>What I just don't understand is - the Raw roster is fucking enormous. There are way more guys on the Raw undercard roster than they actually need. The great majority of them never even sniff the main show anymore unless it's a brief comedy segment. Why not put them to use and let them do something on the main show instead of feeding the guys who actually should be relevant to the wolves? It would protect the guys that should be protected and might actually remind the casual audience that some of those guys even exist.

Hell, look at JoMo. Morrison was nowhere to be seen tonight and I think a week off is a better alternative than being used in a filler segment that could have been filled by somebody low on the totem pole who will never be over. Instead he'll probably get a decent-length Superstars match and get to come back next week hopefully with something meaningful to do.</font>

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS A THOUSAND TIMES THIS

Ever since I started posting in here again I have noticed that almost every poster wants guys to be pushed to the fucking moon immediately, and any pause or delay in that push means they are getting "buried".

Honestly, I miss the days when having 3 championship reigns was an accomplishment, instead of like 7 in a year.

Anyone know when Sting is coming in? :lol::shifty::-\

The other thing I hated was HHH's delivery. After being away for almost a year, I was ready for this passionate speech and what I felt we got was some going through the motions crud.

To me, what I heard was "I'm glad to be back, blah blah blah...We all know I'm going to lose to Taker, but I'll make it sound good....blah blah blah blah, if I lose I'll die trying."

He didn't say that. He said, And I Quote: "there are no real challenges in the back"

Meaning that the guys in the back aren't even a challenge.

If he put it in the "I've beaten everyone" way, people wouldn't be making a big deal of it.

And then he "proved it" by absolutely destroying Shamus

In the long run, it is not like fans who aren't on the internet are going to remember the one line and never buy into anyone else ever again. Yeah, Sheamus was buried, and it is a sheam, but the damage can be reversed quite easily. We just like to gripe about it happening needlessly in the first place.

On that topic I found it strange that he never acknowledged their previous encounter at WM17 and how close he was to defeating him then.

I don't think we need people pushed to the moon. What I want is a return on my investment of getting into guys whom the WWE deemed appropriate of getting pushes for the past two years. I don't need these guys to be given title shots. But to book these guys so horribly after taking so much time to make us believe they're credible stars, really kills a lot of interest for me.

HHH did bury the roster there, but he's probably not wrong though.

I don't really care about the burying of Sheamus, because I would rather see Undertaker/HHH anyway.

Like I said, when he says challenges, I take it as things he hasn't accomplished. People he hasn't beat. Has nothing to do with how strong the people in the back are.

He has beaten everyone in the back. The streak is the only challenge he has yet to overcome.

Seriously, how am I the only person seeing this?

He basically said he was above everyone else. C'mon

Well i'm reacting as I go. Just because it probably will get better eventually dfoesn't mean I'm j just gonna sit and ignore how bad it's going right now. It was just a really over the top bad show, like worst I've seen in years

No. It was all over ESPN and shit all week. Vince McMahon was on TV overdrive that week. He was in the right, since obviously Denver's owner didn't believe his team would make the playoffs but Vince went overly dickish on it and proved to everybody who wants to hate him why they hate him.

Fig, to me it's not what he said. It's all about the booking to me. I agree with what your're saying. To me, it's the fact they were needlessly burying stars all over the place.

Could they not have given HHH/Sheamus a go away match to main event a Raw?

Could they not have someone like Santino, or DH Smith, or any other jobber come out for a match and get destroyed by Miz, not the current US Champion?

Stuff like that

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As a diplomat, I try to strike a balance between IWC fans who "live in the moment" and IWC fans who "look towards a better and brighter future...... hopefully".

You can have UT/HHH without burying Shamus.

He IS above everyone else. Read what I said earlier. Most fans (not IWC fans) view HHH and Taker on a higher level. And they are facing off in the marquee match of this year's wrestlemania. It is THE match of wrestlemania. Of fucking course they are going to bill triple h and taker as being a bigger deal than everyone else. It's common sense.

And it doesn't make Cena or Orton or anyone look any weaker, because like I said, the fans already have it in their head that HHH and Taker are the best.

Honestly they should bury Sheamus because Sheamus isn't that good.

Yeah but that's the big thing "hopefully" there's no guarantee they fix anything.

He is better then everyone else. Everyone else all ready knows that. So why does he have to say that? It was some burying being done.

It's fine with me though.

Or these series of losses and embarrassments Sheamus has suffered can lead to him snapping, so to speak and going on a tear, giving him more depth than "rawr I'm a celtic warrior, fella!"

Frankly, I'm glad to see Sheamus put in this position and have to work back up. I never thought he deserved to be champion so quick anyway.

Oh really? He had a match of the year candidate with John Morrison, is a two time champion and come out on top in feuds with Orton, Cena and HHH. Like him or not, they managed to book him strongly as one of the top heels in the entire industry...And people bought into it too.

Fignuts and I are firing on all cylinders like Two Dudes with Attitudes.

They've booked a lot of people strongly who are not that good.

Sheamus has gone down fast and hard. Thedamndest must be pretty excited by this.

Ok, defend though the fact that your US Champion AND IC Champion have NO feuds right now... None. Daniel Bryan hasn't had ANY in what four months? Five months?

And the one match Bryan has had time to actually perform in perhaps the only time since he's been re-hired, went down the tubes when they had The Miz jump him and absolutely destroy him. You could have had 20 other WWE wrestlers be that guy, but they choose someone who's SUPPOSED to be one of the more upper echelon guys on the roster.

And I have no idea how you can say Sheamus isn't good. The guy was money with Morrison and from what I read, was maybe the best performer in the EC match two weeks ago.

Not as excited as when your mother goes down fast and hard.

Why should I defend that? Nobody here is saying everything is fine. We're just saying that many of the specific things mentioned in this thread were ridiculous if not outright contradictory.

I could still see Sheamus somehow get involved in the Taker-Triple H feud that could force Triple H into one last feud with Sheamus after Mania.

Triple H didn't specifically say he was retiring at Mania even though he promised someone would get "killed".

It would be tough to do since it would have to occur after Mania and WWE wouldn't want to have a Triple Threat for the streak nor affect it that makes it seem like Taker is getting help in softening Triple H.

Easy on the burying there, HHH.

lol Sheamus was not the best performer in the EC.

And his MOTY candidate had a lot more to do with Morrisons's talent than his own.

I don't think Sheamus is a bad wrestler. I just think he belongs in the upper midcard at best.

Come on now. He had MATCH OF THE YEAR vs Dolph Ziggler at a PPV and he has had several ppv matches.

Wasn't he in a tag match against the world champion two weeks ago? Didn't he win that?

They didn't tap out and pay for his lunch, so it doesn't count.

The Miz is getting the rub of his life right now. I don't see a problem with that

To be perfectly honest, I don't think The Rock's promo was very good tonight. Granted - it wasn't "horrible"....but I got the impression that he was trying TOO hard to impress the crowd...and get the crowd to like him. Eventually - if The Rock gets the fans to chant "and millions" too many times, I think it could have an adverse effect. The Rock making constant references to the fans being "his backbone" is a little too obsequious.

Now - don't get me wrong.

1) I absolutely LOVED The Rock's promo from 2 weeks ago, and marked out big time.
2) I loved certain parts of The Rock's promo tonight (i.e. the Yabba dabba bitch line)

However - I just don't think this was The Rock's best outing..


While Cena's mic work towards The Miz/Riley wasn't that good tonight either, I WILL admit that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was AWESOME. Many people on here will have difficulty admitting it, but Cena completely owned The Rock last week.

This is also what I took from it.

I'm not sure if I could disagree with you more.

I've been loving the WWE recently. They are really getting me excited for WrestleMania. Totally did not see Swagger coming as Cole's coach. This is a huge heel boost for Swagger. I'm predicting Vickie Guerrero to be the Special Guest Referee, just to boost heat for everything.

I haven't seen the segment yet, but the Sheamus stuff accomplishes a few things: It addresses the past. Sheamus took out Triple H. He came back to gloat, but Triple H knew what was coming and showed the WWE Universe (I hate that term, but we're talking the story here) that he has become a different Game. No more getting beat-down by Sheamus, as talented as he is. Triple H showed he is intense, focused and ready to take on "The Last Outlaw."

From that, they got Evan Bourne over. He followed a Triple H segment, and beat a former two-time WWE Champion with his finishing move in less than a minute. That helps Bourne more than it hurts the beat-down Sheamus. The WWE is building their armory up heading into this year's Mania.

Also, and while this probably won't be mentioned, I find it interesting that both Sheamus and Daniel Bryan were beaten-down before their matches -- yet Sheamus was forced to wrestle his and Bryan wasn't. It's very little, but Sheamus has room to bitch about Bryan there, and further his tension with him.

This also works with my working theory that Stephanie McMahon will be revealed as the General Manager of RAW. I don't know when I came to this conclusion, but I don't think it would betray anything established in the story -- and would explain favouritism against Sheamus.

I wasn't paying much attention to Raw so I didn't really catch the promo but I will say your feelings probably stems mostly from the fact that he wasn't live and it doesn't give the same effect. It's like you have him live for the first time in a long time and he gives a great promo and the crowd is electrified then the next time you see him it's on a screen on your screen so you can watch while you watch.

Apparently according to WWE.com we could have had a Daniel Bryan/William Regal match last night...dang it.

Oh now they're just being mean.

Fair enough.

Still - I don't think The Rock really "killed it" with his promo last night. Maybe it's just me, but I thought he came across as a bit foolish. Like I said - the 'yabba dabba' line was pretty cool in my opinion, but I just didn't find The Rock's imitation of Cena to be all that hilarious.

That's why I was a bit surprised to read some of the comments in this thread about how awesome The Rock was.....and how he schooled Cena. I was also surprised at how not too many people have commented on the fact that Cena's rap towards The Rock last week was very effective.

The point of The Rock's promo wasn't to be funny. He did all that funny shit early to get it out of the way and to make this whole thing very personal and explain why he is pissed at John Cena talking trash about him while he was gone. I loved it and it really added to this feud.

Great to see Evan Bourne back and pleasing to see him get a win.

Randy Orton’s comments to CM Punk were heelish, and with Punk getting even for Orton costing him the title and Orton punting guys left and right, I’m starting to feel like Punk is the face and Orton is the heel in this feud. Anyway, Orton will take out all of Nexus so Punk has to go it alone, which I prefer. I’d love to see Chris Jericho host the Highlight Reel at WrestleMania with The Rock, only to reappear during Punk/Orton and try to cost Orton the match.

The Miz’s promo was decent. Cena’s “doctor’s note” was amusing (the prop itself), although the comments about Miz were stupid.

The Steel Cage Match was fine.

4/10. Worst part was The Rock, honestly.

Without that hope, I don't understand why somebody would be a fan.

Cause there are other things I enjoy, Cm Punk, the Miz, Micheal Cole, Vicky Guerrero, Wade Barrett etc....

Am I the only one who remembers when The Miz had that same kind of "Doctor's Note" excuse to get out of a match? It added to the humor somewhat.

I didn't know that, the note concept is not a bad one it's execution was wretched.

He did it on the May 3, 2010 edition of RAW to get out of a "Beat The Clock Sprint" match with Batista. He was replaced by Daniel Bryan.

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Heh cool. Kinda funny riff then but still Cena's execution of the concept was awful

I'd have to agree that The Rock's promo wasn't all that great for his standards he shoulda spent some time ripping Cena for the crappy movies he's made that would have been so much better.

Heaven forbid Rock talks about his love for wrestling and not spewing out catchphrases.

But people will say The Rock has made crappy movies too and he already did this at the Hall of Fame.

Thank you. Surely, most of you realize that Rock's promo wasn't about being funny. He did his usual asshole stuff to bookmark the meat of the promo which is give his reasons and convictions for calling out Cena to even begin with. Really, it was an excellent promo and changed the whole dynamic of this thing from 2 huge stars talking shit to a more personal feud.

Precisely it was the perfect bland of Rock brand humour with an overall intense seriousness. This is something I wish Cena could do,Cena needs to be more serious,. Rock is proof you can be both a funny guy and be dead straight serious. It was one of the best promos I've seen in years,