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#1-norm-fan 07-16-2012 10:58 PM

You do realize The Undertaker was not a rookie when he was facing guys like Damien Demento right?

KIRA 07-16-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SammyG (Post 3923153)
it's the Internet Wrestling Community, what do you expect?

We are cynical, Jaded ,unquenchable bastards and proud of it.

I blame the attitude era for putting on good shows all the damn time(well a large part of the time )

Crimson 07-16-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3923142)
How do people complain about guys beating people they're above still!? When has this NOT been a part of wrestling? Seriously. lol Back in the early 90's shows consisted ENTIRELY of matches like that. The MAIN EVENT of the first Raw was Taker vs. Damien Demento.

Building guys up by beating lower level guys and saving the bigger matches for PPV to give people a reason to pay for it is a really good strategy.

Yes I agree. But it has run it's course and it is boring.

Tom Guycott 07-16-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 3923152)
Crazy how even if Bret Hart wanted to reunite the Hart Foundation for the 1,000th RAW, he can't.

If you limit it to the tag team and not the stable, yes he can.

Gass 07-16-2012 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wake Up Call (Post 3923157)
I owuld bet my house, car, wife, and boat Cena will NOT cash in tonight

QFT

Keith 07-16-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 3923169)
If you limit it to the tag team and not the stable, yes he can.

Tag Team or stable, it's Jim Neidhart lol.

#1-norm-fan 07-16-2012 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson (Post 3923170)
Yes I agree. But it has run it's course and it is boring.

It's only boring if the match is boring. Brodus' matches are fun little minute long squashes or a couple minutes and that's when a guy like JTG is getting some offense in. It serves a purpose and it literally take a minute or two out of the show. Does that anger you that much? lol

Keith 07-16-2012 11:03 PM

Cue John Cena and we'll see what happens.

#1-norm-fan 07-16-2012 11:03 PM

SO glad they didn't do the terrible "champ gets pinned" thing.

The booking tonight has been WAY better than it has lately.

KIRA 07-16-2012 11:04 PM

here it comes hes too good to stoop that low

Road Warrior 07-16-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3923166)
6 WHOLE MONTHS!?! *GASP*

How has he not run through the roster, won every title in order of importance and retired by now!?!?

My point was is they're not building him for anything. He's really only kept on tv for the children's entertainment aspect. So it's pointless for you to say something like " Building guys up by beating lower level guys and saving the bigger matches for PPV to give people a reason to pay for it is a really good strategy". When it's clear that's not what they're doing with him and the reason he's wrestling JTG...again.

dronepool 07-16-2012 11:05 PM

Cena waits, cashes, loses, turns,

SammyG 07-16-2012 11:07 PM

Cena's losing.

Heisenberg 07-16-2012 11:07 PM

Rock is gonna cost him the match and Cena/Rock 2 happens...

RawRocks 07-16-2012 11:07 PM

Rest In Peace - 2 hour Monday Night Raws

SammyG 07-16-2012 11:08 PM

or wins, and sets up Rock-Cena 2.

Cool King 07-16-2012 11:08 PM

Well, my prediction for Cena's MITB cash in was half right, I guess.

Tom Guycott 07-16-2012 11:08 PM

I feel stupid now. Didn't know Anvil was in trouble. Thought it was just in reference to the other 3 stablemates being not alive anymore.

Wake Up Call 07-16-2012 11:08 PM

If I was booking, I would have had Cena pick Punk up, step to the side, and tell big show "Knock Him OUT!!!!"

BANG KO Punch

Cena cashes in, wins the WWE Title. Biggest heel turn since Hogan.

Crimson 07-16-2012 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3923173)
It's only boring if the match is boring. Brodus' matches are fun little minute long squashes or a couple minutes and that's when a guy like JTG is getting some offense in. It serves a purpose and it literally take a minute or two out of the show. Does that anger you that much? lol

More like makes me turn the channel. They need to move it along it's been like a year.

Emperor Smeat 07-16-2012 11:09 PM

Kind of anti-climatic to actually announce when it gets cashed but then again next week is a special event.

Probably the best way for a case holder to actually lose if they have no real advantage but at the same time it guarantees Cena doesn't turn heel since the case provides the easiest way for the switch to happen.

A lot better RAW than last week.

#1-norm-fan 07-16-2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Road Warrior (Post 3923179)
My point was is they're not building him for anything. He's really only kept on tv for the children's entertainment aspect. So it's pointless for you to say something like " Building guys up by beating lower level guys and saving the bigger matches for PPV to give people a reason to pay for it is a really good strategy". When it's clear that's not what they're doing with him and the reason he's wrestling JTG...again.

They're keeping him on TV because he's a useful member of the roster and they feel they can make money with him. They wanna make him a star. Constantly winning matches in a dominant fashion is a good way to do that early on. Eventually he moves up to beating middle level guys with some lower level guys thrown in, see how that goes, main event ideally, etc. They're establishing his spot on the roster. The only problem people have is impatience because they need to see characters booked at super-speed.

KIRA 07-16-2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Road Warrior (Post 3923179)
My point was is they're not building him for anything. He's really only kept on tv for the children's entertainment aspect. So it's pointless for you to say something like " Building guys up by beating lower level guys and saving the bigger matches for PPV to give people a reason to pay for it is a really good strategy". When it's clear that's not what they're doing with him and the reason he's wrestling JTG...again.


9yr olds want Brodus Clay happy 9yr olds = $$$ so you can see where the opinions of IWC starts to simply mean absolutely dick to Vince and Co.

so what can you do but stop complaing and ride it out

and besides that I like JTG

Dukelorange 07-16-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dronepool (Post 3923181)
Cena waits, cashes, loses, turns,

- 1 That's not going to happen

Tom Guycott 07-16-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wake Up Call (Post 3923188)
If I was booking, I would have had Cena pick Punk up, step to the side, and tell big show "Knock Him OUT!!!!"

BANG KO Punch

Cena cashes in, wins the WWE Title. Biggest heel turn since Hogan.

Not gonna happen. Not with Cena trying to become the "Wilt Chamberlain" of Make-A-Wish, not to mention the millions (and millions) of dollars in revenue that would be lost in hat/shirt/wristband sales just to appease the IWC for about 3 months with a heel turn.

Sepholio 07-16-2012 11:11 PM

I somehow knew that would be the finish, although I expected him to announce he was cashing in at SS, but damnit. That had to be the best opportunity ever to turn Cena heel. I was totally drooling over the possibility that maybe, just maybe, he would cash in tonight and turn in the process and finally become fresh again. Oh well.

Droford 07-16-2012 11:12 PM

way too much stuff being jammed into 3 hours next week..

#1-norm-fan 07-16-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 3923191)
Kind of anti-climatic to actually announce when it gets cashed but then again next week is a special event.

Probably the best way for a case holder to actually lose if they have no real advantage but at the same time it guarantees Cena doesn't turn heel since the case provides the easiest way for the switch to happen.

A lot better RAW than last week.

It's like when RVD cashed in on Cena. Not "anti-climatic". Just using the case for a "big fight feel" match.

Cena vs Punk just being announced leads to the chance of a shitty finish just to stretch things out. Cena cashing in his one guaranteed title match makes it a PPV quality match.

KIRA 07-16-2012 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 3923196)
Not gonna happen. Not with Cena trying to become the "Wilt Chamberlain" of Make-A-Wish, not to mention the millions (and millions) of dollars in revenue that would be lost in hat/shirt/wristband sales just to appease the IWC for about 3 months with a heel turn.

Basically this.


IWC cant seem to grasp that it is not the focus of the WWE and wont be for quite some time

#1-norm-fan 07-16-2012 11:16 PM

Next week is the best set up Raw of all time. Holy fuck.

KIRA 07-16-2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3923200)
It's like when RVD cashed in on Cena. Not "anti-climatic". Just using the case for a "big fight feel" match.

Cena vs Punk just being announced leads to the chance of a shitty finish just to stretch things out. Cena cashing in his one guaranteed title match makes it a PPV quality match.

I really hope Cena doesn't get the title before we get either Punk v Rock or Punk v Lesnar not all that optimistic that second one will ever happen

#1-norm-fan 07-16-2012 11:24 PM

I am hoping against hope for Punk vs Rock at WrestleMania but it won't happen.

More likely that Cena wins the title next week and uses it to bribe Rock for a rematch which could only really happen at WrestleMania. I can't really see Rock wrestling at SummerSlam.

Flash Funk 07-16-2012 11:27 PM

I would have no problem with Rock/Cena II, Taker vs. Lesnar, and Stone Cold vs. Punk at WrestleMania

Tom Guycott 07-16-2012 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 3923201)
Basically this.


IWC cant seem to grasp that it is not the focus of the WWE and wont be for quite some time

It's not so much that, it's the fact that the default answer "to cure SuperCena" is a heel turn.

He doesn't have to go heel to change up his character and be less boring, repetitive, and predictable. Hogan's turn was kind of "what else can we do with him?" He had been a heel, but that was before he was a household name, whereas Cena's BEEN heel before while in the spotlight... that's pretty much how he made a name for himself. His face turn came because he was the hot new thing that everyone got behind (much like Ziggler, people want him to turn face SOOO BAD).

Changing sides is way too much of a kneejerk reaction. Sometimes it makes sense, but other times, you don't have to turn someone face/heel to make them fresh. It's not him being a face that has run its course, it's the whole "overcoming the odds, even when it makes no sense to do so" thing.

Cena turning heel won't fix that. And THAT is what people need to grasp.

#1-norm-fan 07-16-2012 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Funk (Post 3923206)
I would have no problem with Rock/Cena II, Taker vs. Lesnar, and Stone Cold vs. Punk at WrestleMania

The problem I have with Rock vs Cena again is that the outcome would be predictable after Rock won last year.

Gonzo 07-17-2012 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3923204)
I am hoping against hope for Punk vs Rock at WrestleMania but it won't happen.

More likely that Cena wins the title next week and uses it to bribe Rock for a rematch which could only really happen at WrestleMania. I can't really see Rock wrestling at SummerSlam.

I'd be more interested if Rocky cost Cena the match which led to the Rock/Cena II.

DaVe 07-17-2012 01:15 AM

Good Raw I thought. Raw 1000 has a lot to live up to.

Razzamajazz 07-17-2012 04:16 AM

i predict raw #1001 will be "meh"

James Steele 07-17-2012 04:17 AM

I predict the high level of almost unbearable bitching will continue on TPWW for at least another 500 episodes of RAW.

#1-norm-fan 07-17-2012 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 3923237)
I'd be more interested if Rocky cost Cena the match which led to the Rock/Cena II.

Twice in a lifetime.

Seriously though, I can't think of a way they could actually make that match and make it seem like Rock has a chance of winning again.

#1-norm-fan 07-17-2012 04:34 AM

Or maybe that's not necessary. Maybe the Cena fans getting their way after all the tears shed the year before is enough. I don't know.

Fox 07-17-2012 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 3923207)
It's not so much that, it's the fact that the default answer "to cure SuperCena" is a heel turn.

He doesn't have to go heel to change up his character and be less boring, repetitive, and predictable. Hogan's turn was kind of "what else can we do with him?" He had been a heel, but that was before he was a household name, whereas Cena's BEEN heel before while in the spotlight... that's pretty much how he made a name for himself. His face turn came because he was the hot new thing that everyone got behind (much like Ziggler, people want him to turn face SOOO BAD).

Changing sides is way too much of a kneejerk reaction. Sometimes it makes sense, but other times, you don't have to turn someone face/heel to make them fresh. It's not him being a face that has run its course, it's the whole "overcoming the odds, even when it makes no sense to do so" thing.

Cena turning heel won't fix that. And THAT is what people need to grasp.

I understand that this is your opinion, and opinions aren't supposed to be right or wrong, but yours is simply wrong.

Sorry.

ClockShot 07-17-2012 05:32 AM

For the record, totally called AJ getting married.

Big Vic 07-17-2012 11:27 AM

This has to be the first raw to not make it to 10 pages in awhile. weird for it being Raw 999

Feed me! 07-17-2012 01:08 PM

Is it me or do them tag team belts look tacky as fook?

Tom Guycott 07-17-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox (Post 3923309)
I understand that this is your opinion, and opinions aren't supposed to be right or wrong, but yours is simply wrong.

Sorry.

So, you're saying a character overhaul is IN NO WAY possible without a heel/face turn?

Are you also saying there is no chance whatsoever that if he were to "embrace the hate" (forgoing the boatloads of cash and surefire PR machine), he still wouldn't be taking 3 finishers to the bare floor and hopping up at "9" to beat the count back in the ring like he simply took a slap in the face?

He will already still have his "you can't wrestle" detractors, along with those who are burnt out on him always doing the same shit (X-Pac heat) and the blind haters who hate simply because disliking Cena is the cool thing to do. A heel turn won't change all that, nor will it automatically make him more compelling in and of itself.

Inversely, he changed up a bit in his feud with Punk (less jokes and "happy-go-lucky", more focus and aggresson, and full Boston accent in his promos), and that was a step in the right direction without depriving the 7 year old "Little Jimmys and Jennys" of their hero.

Gonzo 07-17-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 3923300)
Twice in a lifetime.

Seriously though, I can't think of a way they could actually make that match and make it seem like Rock has a chance of winning again.

Valid point. Better yet, seeing as how Rock said he would be champion again one day or whatever, they could have held out and had Cena cash in had Rock won the title. Someone probably already said this but whatever.

Big Vic 07-17-2012 02:47 PM

Hope Rock goes for the WHC instead of the WWE. I know he said WWE but he could just say he changed his mind.

#1-norm-fan 07-17-2012 03:57 PM

The WHC is seen as the second rate title now. No way Rock goes for that one.

James Steele 07-17-2012 10:31 PM

This RAW is going to kick ass. Huge returns, Huge builds to "dream matches", a wedding that will no doubt end in a huge clusterfuck of memories for wrestling fans for generations, and a WWE Championship match that will probably be awesome and you can't predict a winner easily. Oh and did I mention...
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