lol

While this big brother-esque institution that has popped up should be alarming; to think that Sony of America and Nintendo of America wouldn't follow suit given, adequate, pressure is laughable.

Gonna need more than a meme on that one. Seems pretty big.

*See Triple A's posts from the last few days.

The difference is that Sony doesn't have an always-on listening and watching device with facial recognition that requires an internet connection at least once every 24 hours.

That you know of.

Edit: God I hope you don't have a cell phone.

About what? In Casual? Any link? Name of thread?

No offense but what kind of answer was that?

No offense taken. It was in casual, he has taken issue with Obama's invasions of privacy.

Here's an example:

Better?

*Like every company ever, essentially what Immortal alluded to.

And it certainly seems like every relevant company was in it for a while.

Yep :D

I'm not saying the government doesn't have access already to any number of private facts about my life.

But it's practically inviting it to purchase a product thats defining feature is a mandatory peripheral that is always on, always listening for voice input, always looking for faces to recognize. Let's not forget that it -remembers- voices and faces, meaning it records information. And it requires an internet connection once every 24 hours to retain access to your games. Meaning it will always be connected, always available to upload data to Microsoft. Available to stream live if needed.


The possibilities are terrifying. Yeah, the NSA could be spying on any of us through our phones, emails, and computers. Sure. That's hardly our fault for purchasing or using technology that is almost a necessity if you live in a 1st world country. They could be doing it now for all I know.


It would be our fault however, to buy something we know is risky to begin with. Something we don't necessarily need, when there is an alternative product right across the aisle that DOESN'T claim to have these features.


Saying "You don't know that it doesn't" about the PS4 is dumb. People can buy the fucking things when they're out, open them up, and say "Hey guys, there's a camera here. And a microphone, holy shit." and the cat is out of the bag. Xbox is ADVERTISING it. Saying "Hey look what this does" while people keep saying "Um, I don't want it to do that. I want it to play games." which it doesn't even do well, if it requires an internet connection AND a peripheral just to work.

I'm really not trying to treat this like the console war of last generation either. I don't favor 360 or PS3 over one another. I own both, and a PC, and I like them all for different reasons. For different games. For playing with different people.

Microsoft is making this an easy choice for gamers though if this is what they've come up with this generation.

So what happens when they open up a PS4 and there's a camera? They haven't show the console

And how in the the hell do you know that the XBone doesn't play games well?

Nor I, if I could buy both I definitely would. But that said I will probably end up buying the XBone. While continuing to invest more in the pc.

How about we just say fuck consoles and all move to computer games?
/kinda serious

Retarded people are retarded.

Pure fanboyism?

Are you mad? Do you know who makes Windows?

THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!

OH GOD, YOU'RE RIGHT!

Just wanted to point out that he was referring to a feature that will cause the XBone to not play games when he said it wouldn't play games well.

Thought that was pretty obvious.

Well... don't buy it.

I realize that but well is subjective. It will still play game just as well except you have to have the Kinect connected. Put it in a cabinet if you're that concerned while it's still plugged in. Also playing porn at a lower volume so that the Kinect can't hear probably isn't a bad thing.

Shit man, you have to plug in ALL the parts of a game system for it to work? What a rip!

1. I'll repeat that I think that is a dumb hypothetical. What would you do if you opened up your wallet and found a microphone stitched into it in such a way that if you removed it, your wallet fell apart and stopped working? You'd buy a different fucking wallet wouldn't you. If the PS4 has a camera and a microphone secretly built into it, I'd be just as outraged. I'm not trying to just bash the Xbox and praise Sony here. But it's dumb to use a question like "what if the other was just like it?" when there's no reason to think it is so far.


2. Requires a peripheral in order to work. A dumb gimmicky peripheral at that, that didn't catch on last generation and isn't going to catch on this generation at the rate they're going. Requires an internet connection once per 24 hours or will not work. Checks for an internet connection once every hour if you're on a different console. Was discovered today that part of their patent was for the camera, stating the kinect won't work if the face of the person playing is not visible when it checks. If this feature is included, there goes the idea of taping over the camera that some people had. Their anti-used games crusade is basically geared toward keeping people from playing games unless they buy them brand new.


There's basically a slew of features that will PREVENT people from playing games. These are not consumer friendly features. These are corporate-friendly features. If the challenge is "Which console is better for playing games on?" then PS4 wins hands down based on the current evidence. You mean I can just plug the fucking thing in and play? Deal.

Yeah. Not talking about the hardware. As far as graphical and processing potential goes, the hardware of both systems is more than adequate and I don't place one over the other in that regard.

1. First off until all features are revealed we cannot rely on anything except hyptheticals, even dumb ones. Continuing who says it's just a secret and they're not just letting Microsoft take the hit until they bandwagon. There's no reason to think it isn't like the other thus far either.

2. Say hi to the immensely successful Wii, or any other console that requires a peripheral to play it i.e. a controller. Also, the 24 hour thing is nothing but spout from Phil Harrison.

Based on current evidence, I don't have enough evidence.

You need a controller to play the Wii? That shit'll never sell.

Never.

I wouldn't count a controller as a peripheral, that's like counting the plug as an extra.

The Kinect is an extra that's pretending to be necessary.

You need a plug now?

If we had a Holodeck you wouldn't dispute a camera.

The definition of "necessary" seems kind of arbitrary here, if I'm being serious. The Wii largely relied on an IR sensor. Probably wasn't necessary unless they wanted games to play a certain way.

Well the waggle waggle thing was a key feature of the Wii. So in that case it was very important. The Kinect doesn't do anything you can't do with a controller, remote, or phone (via smartglass). Of all these input methods the controller is the one to be most used, with Kinect only partially supported in core games and housing a pathetic games library of its own.

Imagine Smartglass being required on Xbox One, when it adds absolutely nothing really. If every X1 game required the Kinect for some reason, congrads Microsoft made the damn thing a necessity. But I don't see that happening.

I can care less about the Big Brother shit people pretend to be angry about. Far as I know the government is well aware of my porn preferences and has been for years. Whatever. What bothers me is watching some piece of shit camera, however hi tech it honestly is, get promoted like it 'changed the game' last time around. It's... annoying.

Kinect, for me, means more achievements and sitting at 217,545 gs leaves me wanting more.

Makes no sense but do what you gotta do.

Nothing about achievements makes sense.

True.

Again, this seems like an ass-backwards justification for why one is okay and one is not.

I'd probably respond to the smartglass thing as I did with the Wii U thing. Meh.

I dont think any of this shit is okay. Its all pretty gay.

Exactly. You buy a DVD player, you NEED the remote. You could just use the face buttons, but usually only for basic functions like on/off, play and eject.

However, you shouldn't need an external, usb powered popcorn popper. Sounds like a quaint idea, but not having this should not prevent you from using the device/media/TV combination.

The "privacy invasion" stuff always happens in waves, and will fade to the background. The major issue is bogging the product down with "features" nobody gives a fuck about. "XBOX ON" sounds all well and good, but what if you're mute? I shouldn't NEED to have my face scanned like I'm entering C.O.N.T.R.O.L. just to play a single player game of Pac-Man to kill 15 minutes or so. And, what if the Xbone Kinnect has the same issues of the current gen Kinnect as it pertains to sometimes having issues with not always detecting darker skinned people? If I want to jump into a game of Halo, I have to hope the system doesn't freak out like a neglected puppy unless I have every light in the room on and standing in direct sunlight.

I've already voiced.. er... typed my displeasure in having to cart my current 360 over somone elses house to connect to the internet so I can update permissions on my system to be able to play single player games I've downloaded offline, so imagine what I must think about making more hoops to jump through for even physical copy. Having you check in once a day like Microsoft is your PO to use anything seems like a slap in the face. Even if this is spposedly conjecture, it is conjecture that hasn't been shot down.

Any and every thing the EXTRA peripheral is "needed" for isn't really "needed" in the first place.

Remember the days when debates about consoles didn't begin till after people had seem them actually playing games?

Those days ended when the companies decided they wanted to get as much money out of people before they even delivered.

Also, "seeing them playing games" is even suspect anymore with pre-rendered, pre-scripted mock ups of supposed gameplay that may or may not even use the actual game engine.

This is supposed to be a game system used for playing games, but we're being sold on everything else it's supposedly capable of with a noticable absence of substance on said games.

This isn't even about the games anyway. Halo 5 could be the most badass shooter ever but I'm still gonna wonder why some fancy webcam needs to be connected to the console. It's a pretty good guess that whatever the Kinect is there for we could do with a controller. It's not something we need to 'play first' to know.

Now that I think about it, what are you actually responding to, Blitz? Don't think any of us complained about the games.

Nah, they clarified the 24 hour thing officially. You do have to sign in.


http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/connected

Totally making sure I have all three consoles next gen. Gaming on one doesn't look like it'll work out like it did. Feels oldschool really.

What?

Remember when game consoles were actually treated as game consoles by the console manufacturers?

...Now that I think of it, there miiiiiight be a connection hurrr.

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I can do that too
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You're seriously whining about me embedding something Fignuts posted?

My only problem with Fable 3 was obnoxious assholes in online-game chat which is normal for all games. Fable 3 was pure awesomeness.

$500 for the Xbox One.

Yeah, but I'm lovable, so no one's gonna call out me.

Square Enix announced the Xbox One will also get Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts III.

http://www.destructoid.com/kingdom-h...e-256037.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/final-fan...1-256036.phtml

Oh cool.

Okay Sony wont have horrible spying DRM in PS4 and wont ban used games and actually shows off indie games.
Now we know what company is about GAMERS next gen.

It's more Rog will look for any excuse to bitch about me, but either way.

The Don has addressed any consumers worried about internet connectivity issues.

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Oh dear.

It's like they actively don't want gamers to buy the One.

This is why Dead Rising 3 looked shit:

http://www.destructoid.com/dead-risi...s-256136.phtml

Feels like this needs repeating:

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(Plus, it'll give Team Gormless another reason to whine about me!)

Why would I complain about that?

It meets the criteria on your flowchart.

It absolutely does not. Don't pretend to understand.

It's a two step chart. It's not exactly difficult to follow.

Dead Rising has always been about the bright colours and humour, I cant see anyone running around in some of the previous outfits in the third one.

Oh and that announcement about getting a 360 if you don't have the internet is the dumbest thing they could have said and certainly not going to help things.

Which wouldn't happen unless you get the DLC anyway.

Also, unless it is based on another M$ decision, seems like GS is kinda being passive-aggressive about this particular machine... the preorder price is $100 instead of the usual $50 down for a new launching system. PS4 follows the standard $50 price point. Hm.

I have trouble believing this will be a bad thing for Gamestop. "Participating retailers" will almost certainly be them, and they're suich a force in the market they're almost certain to get a bigger and better deal.

Just a side note, I really do wish Microsoft would get its shit together. Angry Jew did an interview with Major Nelson, and the Major was once again contradicting the talking points of other folks from Microsoft.

Given Larry's typical function as spokesman and promoter for the company, I'm inclined to believe his version of things is more accurate. But I don't know how accurate "more accurate" is, and it still indicates a core problem here: people who don't know what the fuck they're on about saying things they have no business saying.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/www...rds-56737.html

Wow

Thought that was the norm for most of E3.

From what I've read about that situation, its mainly because those dev kits and games were being developed well before Windows 8 was available.

Microsoft didn't have the Windows 8 dev kits finished in time to make the switch be possible for their E3 plans. Those kits have the actual card and porting tools needed to finish development.

You'd think they would be ahead of that.

I was referring to the part where MS defended using Win 7 w/Nvidia GTX 780 (most likely) as a "comparable" kit to the XBOX One using an AMD APU with its ~7790 GPU. The GTX 700 series cards are waaaaaaaaaay more powerful than the AMD 7790.

Maybe if Windows 8 was released earlier in 2012 and not around last October.

Between the time needed to create that major version of the dev kit and the time needed for porting as well as testing probably didn't leave enough time to guarantee all the projects would be ready for E3.

Well they need to tighten the fuck up. They can't be a company that big trying to stuff crap down people's throats while secretly winging it behind the scenes. It's... unprofessional.

Interesting...

Interesting indeed. If they get rid of the check in's, current used game policies and the heavy reliance on Kinect, I may consider it. I'm still leaning towards the PS4 though.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update



Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:

• An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

• Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.


These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.


We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.


Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

Beautiful. That is a BIG deal.

Big news, but too little too late.

Now just ditch the Kinect and drop the price, and you might convince me to buy one.

The Xbox One is dead...


LONG LIVE THE XBOX 180

Like Clockshot said, they need to drop the Kinect requirement and price. 100 bucks is a big deal still.

Cmon, no rep for that Xbox 180 thing? I thought it was pretty clever...

edit: Smelly Meatball :love:

I'll give ya some Al, even though about a few thousand people beat ya to it on a bunch of other sites.

It's a shame they were still telling us to fuck off just yesterday.

I'm glad that they reversed course, but I think it's too little, too late.

At least, for me.

Though I won't outright refuse to get one.

:\

I've heard this a few times now, and still dont get it.

The consoles arent even out yet, but some how it's "too little too late". Like you've somehow invested into the PS4.

I'm not invested in the PS4, and that's not generally what people mean when they say "too little, too late." To the non-mouth breathers in the room, it refers to the damage done in terms of consumer confidence and the like.

In my case, I'm not exactly likely to reward people who were telling us to fuck off even as they were planning to backtrack.

Don't be that guy, dude. You're not that stupid.

That doesn't make sense, KK. Shouldn't this kind of radical back-step instill confidence in consumers?

So what; Microsoft is hated for doing and then... not doing? It's no-win for them over restrictions nobody ever actually experienced (and never will)? And if gamers always had this 'one strike and you're out' mentality, how in the holy shit would they consider a Sony console after a pathetic PS3 launch and a historic month-long network outage?

Like Alva, I fail to see how this is consistent, and not just fanboys shifting the goal post. Perhaps a mouthbreather could explain it to me.

Is this a Triad thing? Like you guys are taking an intentionally narrow view of statements to come up with the stupidest possible arguments?

Okay, then. Moving on.

And yeah, it always was kind of a no-win deal once they went down that path. So what.

LOL "So what"? Are you fucking serious right now?