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Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 03:03 AM

I'm still hoping for Bray Wyatt vs. The Rock as opposed to Wyatt vs. Undertaker.

* Lesnar vs. Bryan for the WWE World Title
* Cena vs. Reigns
* Triple H vs. Sting
* Rock vs. Wyatt
* Orton vs. Rollins

Those five matches at the top of your card make it a SuperShow already. Dean Ambrose can probably face Luke Harper or a heel Chris Jericho, maybe Cesaro, if they decide they want him in a (upper?) mid-card match at the big show.

XL 12-31-2014 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4562534)
Not a fan of Daniel Bryan's return. The annoying Yes chants, the unbearable booing of other wrestlers that aren't Daniel Bryan on the shows. The way they treated Rey Mysterio in the 2014 Royal Rumble match proved to me that Daniel Bryan is the IWC's darling.

It's pretty obvious they are going to put Roman Reigns' push on hold, to have Daniel Bryan pursue the WWE Championship once again. Which is sad, because Roman Reigns has more reason to be a WWE Champion now, than Daniel Bryan.

And now fans are going "WWE better make Daniel Bryan the champion in 2015". Why should they? Because some marks saying "we riot" everytime their darlings doesn't get a championship reign? Daniel Bryan already got a superstar level in the WWE, so he doesn't need another year. He achieved greatness by being at the top of his game and defeating to former WWE Champions in one night for the WWE Championship at WrestleMania. He doesn't need another title reign.

So Flair didn't need the additional 15 reigns? Cena didn't need another 14? Orton, Rock, Hogan, Bret, Shawn, HHH, etc, etc didn't need to win the belt more than once?

XL 12-31-2014 03:56 AM

They really shit on Cesaro here. To have him come out and say he doesn't care about anything other than delivering in the ring...then fail to deliver in the ring totally undercut him.

NoyaPerez20 12-31-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4562809)
I worry that Bryan is going to be eliminated by a pissed off heel and be pigeon-held into a random upper mid-card WrestleMania match, but now that he is back, the best storyline the WWE can run is Brock Lesnar vs. the man who never lost the belt, Daniel Bryan. The crowd will get behind Bryan so easily, whereas Reigns is only going to have manufactured momentum, and I can see the crowd turning on it fairly quickly.

Cena can face Reigns in a "passing the torch" type match. Bryan making Lesnar tap-out to close WrestleMania would be pretty epic.

You actually believe that Vince McMahon is going to book Daniel Bryan to defeat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania?

There's a big difference between Batista and Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar is an actual former UFC Champion. Batista is just... an actor...

You actually believe that Vince would agree on letting Daniel Bryan, a small wrestler defeat his most toughest bad ass at WrestleMania? I doubt that he will agree to redoing WrestleMania 30 all over again...

NoyaPerez20 12-31-2014 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 4562817)
So Flair didn't need the additional 15 reigns? Cena didn't need another 14? Orton, Rock, Hogan, Bret, Shawn, HHH, etc, etc didn't need to win the belt more than once?

Let's say Daniel Bryan wins, what's next?

JimmyMess 12-31-2014 11:56 AM

He forfeits the title, because he gets injured again lol

XL 12-31-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4562955)
Let's say Daniel Bryan wins, what's next?

Whatever the hell you want to book. He slays the beast, wins back the championship he never lost and completes his story. Hell, let's say nothing is next. The story is complete.

The Authority are back, and there's some kind of working relationship between Seth and Heyman...and therefore Brock. Bryan winning the Rumble and vanquishing Lesnar at Mania and kicking his ass out the door wraps everything up in a pretty little bow (especially if Sting puts The Authority out of business in a match with HHH). Move off in any direction you want. Bryan actually gets the title run he was robbed of last year, before dropping the title down the road. Or have Rollins cash-in the next night on Raw and move on from there.

You basically have the same options with Reigns, but you guarantee yourself a great match by putting Bryan in there, with the added bonus that Bryan actually is genuinely over.

The only counterpoint you've given is that Bryan shouldn't get it because he's had it once; a point I already countered and you ignored.

What would YOU do post-Mania with Reigns?

whiteyford 12-31-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4562954)
You actually believe that Vince McMahon is going to book Daniel Bryan to defeat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania?

There's a big difference between Batista and Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar is an actual former UFC Champion. Batista is just... an actor...

You actually believe that Vince would agree on letting Daniel Bryan, a small wrestler defeat his most toughest bad ass at WrestleMania? I doubt that he will agree to redoing WrestleMania 30 all over again...

You realise wrestlings a work right? If it wasn't then Meng would never have lost ever. Shamrock and Severn were both former UFC champions, both stared at the lights while in WWE, both to smaller guys.

And if the match was Bryan vs Brock why wouldn't the guy who is definitely going to be there the following night go over the guy who's rumoured to be leaving? If Lesnar is leaving after 'Mania he's doing the job that night.

drave 12-31-2014 01:19 PM

This guy never lost because he is a legit tough guy.
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Innovator 12-31-2014 01:22 PM

Scott Norton would be Unified Pangaean World Champion

NoyaPerez20 12-31-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 4562982)
You realise wrestlings a work right? If it wasn't then Meng would never have lost ever. Shamrock and Severn were both former UFC champions, both stared at the lights while in WWE, both to smaller guys.

And if the match was Bryan vs Brock why wouldn't the guy who is definitely going to be there the following night go over the guy who's rumoured to be leaving? If Lesnar is leaving after 'Mania he's doing the job that night.

I'll repeat my words again DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VINCE MCMAHON WOULD BOOK DANIEL BRYAN OVER BROCK LESNAR AT WRESTLEMANIA? :wtf:

Because it's so realistic to have Brock Lesnar defeat The Undertaker, and than lose to a vanilla midget...

drave 12-31-2014 01:35 PM

If Lesnar is leaving, absolutely.

drave 12-31-2014 01:39 PM

Also,

the WWE believes that the Universe will forget about the streak thingie. They often (and have been quoted) state that the crowd will not remember something x amount of time down the road. Obviously, no one will ever forget the 1 in 21-1, but if run of the mill WWE mentality is to be applied, we will forget.

XL 12-31-2014 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4563037)
I'll repeat my words again DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VINCE MCMAHON WOULD BOOK DANIEL BRYAN OVER BROCK LESNAR AT WRESTLEMANIA? :wtf:

Because it's so realistic to have Brock Lesnar defeat The Undertaker, and than lose to a vanilla midget...

I think the mask may have slipped.

whiteyford 12-31-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4563037)
I'll repeat my words again DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VINCE MCMAHON WOULD BOOK DANIEL BRYAN OVER BROCK LESNAR AT WRESTLEMANIA? :wtf:

Because it's so realistic to have Brock Lesnar defeat The Undertaker, and than lose to a vanilla midget...

I answered the question in the very post you quoted yay trolling

Damian Rey 12-31-2014 05:44 PM

As long as the crowd buys it, it's a realistic option. Pretty sure the fans can buy into Daniel Bryan beating Lesnar. I'd venture to say they'd go ape shit over it.

KIRA 12-31-2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4563037)
I'll repeat my words again DO YOU BELIEVE THAT VINCE MCMAHON WOULD BOOK DANIEL BRYAN OVER BROCK LESNAR AT WRESTLEMANIA? :wtf:

Because it's so realistic to have Brock Lesnar defeat The Undertaker, and than lose to a vanilla midget...

Yes he would totally book Lesnar to lose to DB and theres nothing vanilla about that midget

When people are chomping at the bit for you to headline WM WHEN PEOPLE GET PISSED because you aren't in the rumble when people explode because you are in the rumble when people viciously boo because you got robbed of the belt in a show they know is staged when your one chant goes GLOBAL and people know and associate you with it. you are anything but a vanilla midget. Kevin Nash coined that term I don't think he anticipated the insanity that is Bryan.

NoyaPerez20 12-31-2014 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 4563134)
Yes he would totally book Lesnar to lose to DB and theres nothing vanilla about that midget

When people are chomping at the bit for you to headline WM WHEN PEOPLE GET PISSED because you aren't in the rumble when people explode because you are in the rumble when people viciously boo because you got robbed of the belt in a show they know is staged when your one chant goes GLOBAL and people know and associate you with it. you are anything but a vanilla midget. Kevin Nash coined that term I don't think he anticipated the insanity that is Bryan.

I'm sorry but shoving a chant down my throat isn't really making it global. I really don't give a crap how much the fans love him. The fact is simple, they booed everyone one for 3 straight months. They booed Batista, they booed Randy Orton, they booed Rey Mysterio, they booed everybody that wasn't the 'darling' Daniel Bryan.

And the following show after Mania was just unbearable to watch, because itt was probably the most markish show in history of the WWE, with crowd focusing on one guy, and booing the rest of the show. Showing no respect to anybody, but Daniel Bryan.

Guess what happens when he beats Brock Lesnar? It will be yet another unbearable RAW show the next night, where guys that aren't Daniel Bryan get booed out of the building, because the fans want to only see Daniel Bryan. If you could book Daniel Bryan vs. Daniel Bryan the marks will have one big IWC orgasm.

SlickyTrickyDamon 12-31-2014 07:18 PM

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KIRA 12-31-2014 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4563182)
I'm sorry but shoving a chant down my throat isn't really making it global. I really don't give a crap how much the fans love him. The fact is simple, they booed everyone one for 3 straight months. They booed Batista, they booed Randy Orton, they booed Rey Mysterio, they booed everybody that wasn't the 'darling' Daniel Bryan.

And the following show after Mania was just unbearable to watch, because itt was probably the most markish show in history of the WWE, with crowd focusing on one guy, and booing the rest of the show. Showing no respect to anybody, but Daniel Bryan.

Guess what happens when he beats Brock Lesnar? It will be yet another unbearable RAW show the next night, where guys that aren't Daniel Bryan get booed out of the building, because the fans want to only see Daniel Bryan. If you could book Daniel Bryan vs. Daniel Bryan the marks will have one big IWC orgasm.

lol I like you. They booed Batista because HE was the one being shoved down our throats (and he dressed like a douche)the boos Rey got weren't necessarily directed at him. Randy Orton was stagnant and they didn't seem to know what to do with him he seemed frustrated with his lack of real direction too. THEY DID not boo the show after Mania did you not see the monster reception Cesaro got? Not to mention all the people who arn't Bryan who do get cheered Wyatt,Ziggler,Ambrose and so on. And for the record I'm pulling for Dolph just as hard I really want 2015 to be his year.

Fignuts 12-31-2014 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4563182)
I'm sorry but shoving a chant down my throat isn't really making it global. I really don't give a crap how much the fans love him. The fact is simple, they booed everyone one for 3 straight months. They booed Batista, they booed Randy Orton, they booed Rey Mysterio, they booed everybody that wasn't the 'darling' Daniel Bryan.

And the following show after Mania was just unbearable to watch, because itt was probably the most markish show in history of the WWE, with crowd focusing on one guy, and booing the rest of the show. Showing no respect to anybody, but Daniel Bryan.

Guess what happens when he beats Brock Lesnar? It will be yet another unbearable RAW show the next night, where guys that aren't Daniel Bryan get booed out of the building, because the fans want to only see Daniel Bryan. If you could book Daniel Bryan vs. Daniel Bryan the marks will have one big IWC orgasm.

Guess what?

The "marks" are 90% of the audience.

XL 12-31-2014 07:48 PM

"She" is using the term 'Mark' incorrectly. Well, correctly, just not in the way it's usually used.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NoyaPerez20 (Post 4562954)
You actually believe that Vince McMahon is going to book Daniel Bryan to defeat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania?

There's a big difference between Batista and Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar is an actual former UFC Champion. Batista is just... an actor...

You actually believe that Vince would agree on letting Daniel Bryan, a small wrestler defeat his most toughest bad ass at WrestleMania? I doubt that he will agree to redoing WrestleMania 30 all over again...

Absolutely. If Brock is leaving then Vince will want him to make a major star. Why not put over the best wrestler on your roster, and a guy that can believably kick ass, and put over his style as one that can topple former UFC Heavyweight Champions? Bryan can then make whoever he wants. Roman Reigns is going to have a far better match with Daniel Bryan than he is with Brock Lesnar...

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 4562818)
They really shit on Cesaro here. To have him come out and say he doesn't care about anything other than delivering in the ring...then fail to deliver in the ring totally undercut him.

They should have had Cesaro do that promo, then beat someone like Justin Gabriel. Use it to mark a turn-around for his character.

XL 12-31-2014 07:58 PM

Noya, you're giving a lot of negative feedback here and making people back up their options but offering little in the form of constructive solutions or any detail on what you would do when questioned. So, I ask again...

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 4562979)
What would YOU do post-Mania with Reigns?


SlickyTrickyDamon 12-31-2014 08:04 PM

Sock troll trolling? SHOCKING!

NoyaPerez20 12-31-2014 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 4563208)
Noya, you're giving a lot of negative feedback here and making people back up their options but offering little in the form of constructive solutions or any detail on what you would do when questioned. So, I ask again...

Why I do with Roman Reigns is put him in a program with the likes of Seth Rollins/Dean Ambrose/John Cena.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 08:35 PM

Not bad.

Mr. Nerfect 12-31-2014 08:36 PM

They're all likely to be in the main event scene post-Mania anyway.

rockman725 01-01-2015 02:39 AM

The problem with Reigns is that he is just muscle right now. He has no real character development. Look at The Shield members from 2013 and then look at The Shield members right now. Ambrose's character progressed over time and so did Rollins. Reigns is no different now than he was back then. Putting the belt on him for a long period of time would be foolish. To me, he's just another Diesel. Reigns would be a good transitional champion, for like 1, 2 months tops. Use him as a way to move the belt to another developed character, but in doing so, he needs to step up his game in a variety of areas. Then maybe look at him down the line.


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