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slik 06-20-2016 10:31 AM

wow

smart idea - good way to get people to turn in!

Ruien 06-20-2016 03:51 PM

They should allow all the champions to pick their own show at the end of the draft. If they decide to have 2 world heavyweight titles that means the other show has to create their own and find a champion while the other show gets and extra superstar. If they go with only 1 title then after the champion loses he is defaulted to the show he picked. Same goes for the tag and women's titles.

US and IC would pick opposite from each other.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-22-2016 11:50 AM

http://i.imgur.com/qxxcnH7h.jpg

Not sold on single brand PPVs still, but love the idea of the old PPV names coming back if that's legit.

Simple Fan 06-22-2016 12:14 PM

Wish they would drop the gimmick ppv like Hell in a Cell and TLC. Looks like the just changed Night of Champions to Clash of Champions, thought for sure they would be rival PPVs for the two brands.

Simple Fan 06-22-2016 12:21 PM

Also Roadblock at the end of the year seems weird, would make sense to just have it as Raw show for February while Smackdown has Fast lane.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-22-2016 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 4826471)
Also Roadblock at the end of the year seems weird, would make sense to just have it as Raw show for February while Smackdown has Fast lane.

Yeah, if that's legit then that gets renamed I figure. Backlash after Summerslam at least makes sense.

Droford 06-22-2016 02:48 PM

Backlash on 15th anniversary of 9/11

Real sensirive

Mr. Nerfect 06-22-2016 07:07 PM

Backlash coming back is a good thing, but it feels odd at that point in the year. I'd rather see it in April. Roadblock and No Way Out should be the February PPVs. No Mercy coming back is a good thing. Wish they'd get rid of Hell in a Cell, TLC, Night of Champions and Extreme Rules. Armageddon and Starrcade can be the December PPVs. Vengeance can return to be opposite Backlash in April/May. Payback can be stay in there. You can bring back Over the Limit or something. July can have The Great American Bash or Bash at the Beach and Battleground.

January: Royal Rumble
February: Roadblock, No Way Out
March/April: WrestleMania
April: Backlash, Payback
May: Vengeance, Over the Limit
June: Money in the Bank
July: Bash at the Beach, Battleground
August: SummerSlam
September: Unforgiven, Fall Brawl
October: No Mercy, Halloween Havoc (if they can get the license)
November: Survivor Series
December: Starrcade, Armageddon

Emperor Smeat 06-22-2016 07:32 PM

According to current ticket advertising for early Smackdown shows after the Draft, WWE might be considering Cena for RAW and Reigns for Smackdown in terms of where the top stars are going.

Same advertising hinted at Ambrose and Rollins being on Smackdown. As well as AJ Styles being on that brand.

Also F4W is hinting at the ppv sheet recently leaked being legit since his sources had been hinting at Night of Champions being replaced with the former WCW ppv name of Clash of Champions.

Simple Fan 06-22-2016 07:51 PM

I'd like to see the PPVs for the two shows have similar themes. Like Fastlane and Roadblock and Payback and Backlash being together. Would also like to see Bragging Rights return as a stand alone event at the end of the year with all three brands coming together before the new year starts. Would also like to see King of the Ring return and be the same month as Money in the Bank, would have them alternate every year so Raw gets KotR one year and MitB the next.

January: Royal Rumble
February: Roadblock, Fastlane
March/April: WrestleMania
April: Backlash, Payback
May: Vengeance, Judgement Day
June: Money in the Bank, King of the Ring (alternate every year)
July: Bash at the Beach, Great American Bash
August: SummerSlam
September: Night of Champions, Clash of Champions
October: No Mercy, Halloween Havoc
November: Survivor Series
December: Bragging Rights (all three brands)

Mr. Nerfect 06-23-2016 08:30 PM

I've got a feeling that MVP will be returning in this brand split era. Not just because of the rumors, but he has spoken to Triple H lately and Alex Greenfield said something on one of the Writer's Room podcasts recently, where he mentioned he knew of other people coming back. He could have just meant guys coming off injury, but when you couple that with what Court Bauer said about half of those names being right in regards to the list (eliminating John Morrison and Rey Mysterio as possibilities), it does leave MVP as a very likely candidate.

I think Carlito will make a return too. It'd make sense to have him lead his cousins as foils against The New Day. Going through names in my head of free agents that I'm surprised the WWE hasn't signed back -- Daivari and Chris Masters are at the top of that list. Daivari got that good press for foiling that burglary on a train or something, and Masters saved his mother from a burning house with a tree.

Victoria has a good relationship with the WWE to this day, and is still insanely hot and quite active. I could see her making a comeback. As a bit of a nostalgia act, I can see them giving a run to Scotty 2 Hotty too. He might finally get that heel turn that Kane Knight always wanted.

Mr. Nerfect 06-23-2016 08:30 PM

The Usos and Scotty 2 Hotty as a three man unit against The Colons and The New Day?

Mr. Nerfect 06-23-2016 08:32 PM

Maybe it's finally time for the much anticipated return of Johnny fucking Jeter?

Mr. Nerfect 06-23-2016 08:34 PM

Oh, and the WWE are pretty stupid if they haven't at least tried to call Matt Morgan. I also think that Cliff Compton has enough ins with the company to at least get a look if he's available, but he might be under GFW contract or something, if that's still going.

Emperor Smeat 06-23-2016 09:12 PM

WWE debunking rumors of them considering signing Kurt Angle to a deal for the new Brand Split era. Still not interested in signing him to a deal that would include him being an active competitor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
Amid speculation that many former WWE stars have been approached with returning to the company due to the upcoming brand split, the possibility that free agent Kurt Angle could be one of those talents got some fans excited.

Unfortunately for those fans, that will be an unrealized dream as WWE officials confirmed Thursday that Angle is not returning to the company.

The story started when Angle was on Mark Madden's Pittsburgh radio show on Monday and said that Paul Levesque had called him, but that no deal was in place. Although nobody officially said it, the story grew to a point where people said that a deal was done with a start date even listed.


Mr. Nerfect 06-23-2016 09:16 PM

Kurt just can't help himself. :(

Mr. Nerfect 06-23-2016 11:43 PM

I was in a cynical mood earlier, so I worked out who you could really cut from the WWE roster today. Not because they suck or anything, but just because you're not using them to their maximum potential and you don't really have any plans to. Some guys can become agents or move into the Hall of Fame. Some you'd hope would go to the independent scene and strengthen that and get a lot better so you can bring them back when they have some momentum.

I combined this with the talent list in NXT that I thought was ready to get a call up, didn't count part-timers and came up with a main roster of:

Male Roster:

* Adrian Neville
* AJ Styles
* Austin Aries
* Big Cass
* Big E. Langston
* Bobby Roode
* Bray Wyatt
* Cesaro
* Chad Gable
* Dash Wilder
* Dean Ambrose
* Enzo Amore
* Finn Balor
* Jason Jordan
* Jey Uso
* Jimmy Uso
* John Cena
* Kalisto
* Karl Anderson
* Kevin Owens
* Kofi Kingston
* Luke Gallows
* Luke Harper
* The Miz
* Randy Orton
* Roman Reigns
* Rusev
* Sami Zayn
* Samoa Joe
* Scott Dawson
* Seth Rollins
* Shinsuke Nakamura
* Triple H
* Tye Dillinger
* Tyler Breeze
* Xavier Woods

Female Roster:

* Asuka
* Bayley
* Becky Lynch
* Charlotte
* Emma
* Lana
* Maryse
* Naomi
* Natalya
* Paige
* Sasha Banks

Mr. Nerfect 06-23-2016 11:46 PM

My point is that you can probably cut the main roster in half without the product really being effected. You can call up some guys from NXT that are ready to start making money for the company, and replace them in NXT with a bunch of new faces that can help the younger guys learn and attract people when they're touring.

Ruien 06-24-2016 07:41 AM

I want Kurt Fucking Angle.

Ruien 06-24-2016 07:42 AM

Hell, use him as the GM of Smackdown. That would be awesome and a huge suprise to boot.

Mr. Nerfect 06-24-2016 08:18 AM

I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Kurt given a shot at a color commentator. Michael Cole and Daniel Bryan on RAW and Mauro Ranallo and Kurt Angle on SmackDown.

Mr. Nerfect 06-24-2016 10:13 AM

Just had this funny feeling they're going to have Joe in the draft, and that he vacates the NXT Title and that the rumored Balor vs. Nakamura match at Takeover in Brooklyn is for the vacant belt. I can't think of a bigger match they can do for Joe. I had one the other night and it completely escapes me now.

Nakamura would win that match and Balor would very soon appear on the opposite show to AJ Styles, and be the heel that gets the assistance from Gallows & Anderson who float, initially, with the tag belts.

Lock Jaw 06-24-2016 06:59 PM

Balor v Nakamura is happening in three weeks, unless they have it again at Takeover.... or their first one ends pretty quick by some sort of outside shenanigan....

Mr. Nerfect 06-24-2016 09:01 PM

Oh okay. I haven't been watching NXT so I didn't know that.

Mr. Nerfect 06-24-2016 09:01 PM

I guess Balor will be up and Nakamura will win the title from Joe or something.

Mr. Nerfect 06-24-2016 10:28 PM

Some developments from the NXT tapings:

SPOILER: show
* Rhyno made his return. He might be kept down in NXT, he might be on either RAW or SmackDown or he might just have been doing one shot with the brand, but you have to consider his relationship with the WWE strong and you'd doubt he would be making WWE appearances again if he was still planning to run for office or whatever he was doing in Detroit.

* Nakamura won the match against Balor. This could very easily lead to a Balor call-up.

* American Alpha had their match against The Authors of Pain and put them over. The report I read even suggested that this looked like their call-up.

hb2k 06-26-2016 05:10 AM

Just to drop this in here as it seems appropriate, the latest Squared Circle Gazette Radio is now up, as we attempt to book the 2016 WWE Draft. At your request, we're talking all about current events, looking at who should go to which show and why, the title situation, NXT call-ups, feuds and stories out of the gate, possible directions for WrestleMania 33 and much more. In addition, we get your thoughts on what you want to see out of this brand split, as we explore ways to make the shows different. A really interesting show breaking down what lies ahead in the world of WWE. Check it out and let us know what you think!

http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean...._WWE_Draft.mp3

DAMN iNATOR 06-26-2016 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 4827017)
Hell, use him as the GM of Smackdown. That would be awesome and a huge suprise to boot.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking would be perfect for him at this point in his career. Seems very deflating/"bleak" to have the man himself say it's not happening. :(

Evil Vito 06-27-2016 11:46 PM

If the plan is still for the second World Title to be created, I wonder how long it will take for them to roll it out. Kinda imagining Raw drafting both Rollins and Reigns and ensuring the title will stay on the red brand (as Ambrose probably can't be drafted)...so then the SmackDown GM announces that Cena/Styles at Battleground will be for the SmackDown World Title. Would much prefer one World Title though, especially early on.

Yet I also still can't shake the feeling that the three Shield guys are going to be split up hence why they're getting the triple threat over with at Battleground.

Either way I'm guessing Ambrose drops the belt, turns up on Raw the next night for his rematch clause...then when he loses that/gets screwed out of the match he tells the GM that he never actually got drafted and signs over to SmackDown where he ends up being the #2 face there behind Cena.

SlickyTrickyDamon 06-27-2016 11:53 PM

WWE World Heavyweight Championship is now being called the WWE Championship again. Is the Big Gold Belt coming back?

Mr. Nerfect 06-28-2016 05:58 PM

I'd say signs point to yes. They will probably just pull it out on one edition of either RAW or SmackDown and have a tournament, match or Battle Royal to decide a new champion and we'll have to sit there and like it.

Damian Rey 2.0 06-29-2016 12:02 AM

Battle fucking royal please.

Evil Vito 06-29-2016 10:21 PM

Not sure how realistic it is but I'd like to see pretty much the entire Women's Division on Raw with the title being exclusive to that brand. Have the second hour of Raw be entirely devoted to the division to try to break up some of the usual monotony that comes with a normal 3 hour Raw.

Then on SmackDown bring back the Cruiserweight Title after they go ahead and sign a bunch of dudes from the Cruiserweight Classic.

Big Vic 06-30-2016 12:50 PM

2 roadblocks in one year.

Theo Dious 06-30-2016 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4827115)
Balor v Nakamura is happening in three weeks, unless they have it again at Takeover.... or their first one ends pretty quick by some sort of outside shenanigan....

It's be pretty badass if they went to some no-contest/double KO sort of finish where the decision was made that it had to be settle on the "big stage."

Emperor Smeat 06-30-2016 09:11 PM

Some news from a recent Observer Newsletter about current plans for the new Brand Split.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
With Lawler suspended, they used David Otunga in his spot on Smackdown with Mauro Ranallo and Byron Saxton thus far. It’s an interesting decision to go with Otunga over Corey Graves, although it may be Graves being held back to start on the show on 7/19 as had been hinted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
For the brand split, the idea is a different crew on both shows, meaning different writing teams, different referees, different colored ropes and different sets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
It appears that Finn Balor and American Alpha will be debuting on the main roster once the brand split takes place. Bayley will likely be staying in NXT at least through the Brooklyn special.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
Also the new plan is no longer to call the people running the brands “General Managers,” but either COO’s of the brand

Being speculated the reason for this might be due to Stephanie McMahon having a similar title for her normal job and didn't want to be seen as being demoted because of the job's name for tv.

DaveWadding 06-30-2016 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 4828950)
Being speculated the reason for this might be due to Stephanie McMahon having a similar title for her normal job and didn't want to be seen as being demoted because of the job's name for tv.

I AM THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF THE SMACKDOWN BRAND IN WORLD WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT.

SlickyTrickyDamon 06-30-2016 11:24 PM

Dave is the perfect GM. He is a substitute teacher. He knows what is i like to have no power but also have responsibility of teaching people shit.

Emperor Smeat 07-01-2016 10:43 PM

Some more stuff about current plans from the recent Observer Newsletter and PWTorch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
Regarding different names that have been reported that WWE has called to come back, the two names on lots of lists that we’ve gotten confirmation haven’t been called are Jeff Hardy and Rey Mysterio. WWE knows both are under contract elsewhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
The schedule listed in last week’s issue for PPVs is accurate as WWE has sent the same schedule to PPV carriers and cleared the listed dates. So the plan is 20 PPV shows per year in 2017, with two Sundays every month except for January, March, August and November which will be one show months. It also establishes Survivor Series as one of the big four, a category that show hasn’t really been in a decade. I wonder how long it’ll be before people only care about four shows a year. Other than doubling up on the PPVs, so much of this is copying exactly what failed before, because the end result of the last brand split was declining ratings on both shows, world titles that had the value of IC titles, declining PPV numbers, and Smackdown brand house shows that couldn’t draw. Granted, that doesn’t mean it’s doomed, but if they do exactly what they did before, yes, it is doomed. But every idea we’ve heard s far is just copying exactly what didn’t work before as opposed to being new ideas

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWTorch
One of the big changes accompanying WWE’s roster split in July is Smackdown having its own dedicated writing team.

The team will still report to Vince McMahon, but Smackdown should be in a much better position than Raw’s left-overs in terms of ideas, planning, and actually following through on what’s advertised.

“Concerning the perception of Raw and Smackdown, when we met with Vince – we would meet every Thursday in his office, the booking room – and basically what we pitched to him were the main segments of Raw,” former WWE Creative writer Kevin Eck told Wade Keller on Thursday’s PWTorch Livecast.

“We never even got to Smackdown in the Thursday meetings. Ever. I cannot recall one time ever getting to Smackdown. So, we had some direction after that meeting. So, we would write the Raw script because certain segments have already been approved. That doesn’t mean they’re going to stay on Monday. But, at least we’ve met with Vince and approved it.

“Smackdown – we were pretty much going in blind. We could play off what has been approved on Raw, and then try to book Smackdown. But, Vince was really looking at Smackdown for the first time on Tuesday – the day that we were doing the show.

“People notice, ‘They’re promoting another Miz TV for Smackdown.’ That’s because Vince insisted that we promote something for Smackdown, but nothing was approved. So, during Raw, someone would go up to Gorilla (position) during a commercial break and say, ‘Hey, here’s some ideas for Smackdown, which one should we promote?’ And Vince would be like, ‘Intercontinental Title match. That’s what we’ll do. Let’s promote that.’

“You’ve probably noticed and your listeners, too, they would say late in the show on Raw, ‘This Thursday on Smackdown, so-and-so defends the Intercontinental Title.’ Great. Then we get to Tuesday – the next day at TV looking at everything with fresh eyes. We’re not going to do the Intercontinental Title match.

“I remember, being naive as the new guy, the first time something like that happened, I raised my hand and said, ‘Well, Vince, we promoted it on Raw last night.’ And he would give what I found out was his standard answer to questions like that, which is … ‘We lied.’ And then we would move on. I assure you this there were many times things were promoted on Raw for Smackdown just didn’t happen, and there is never any explanation. It’s just like, ‘We lied.’ If someone saw that and is expecting that, ‘Oh well.'”

The most recent example being the Money in the Bank ladder match where seven slots were initially advertised, the first six wrestlers were filled quickly, and WWE never went back to filling the final slot.


Evil Vito 07-02-2016 08:49 AM

I feel like Money in the Bank should be considered a new major PPV at this point. If both shows have a World Title it'd feel kinda dumb if only one of them has a MITB match.

Or they could bring it back to Mania as an interbrand match, that made for a nice featured attraction every year.

Evil Vito 07-02-2016 08:51 AM

Quote:

Granted, that doesn’t mean it’s doomed, but if they do exactly what they did before, yes, it is doomed.
Gotta love not even giving it a chance :y:

The roster is objectively the deepest it's ever been when you consider how many NXT stars are ready for a call-up. Actually splitting the airtime between them and having dedicated writing teams could work wonders. It certainly can't be worse than the nearly unwatchable television they've produced in the last three years.

Simple Fan 07-02-2016 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4829222)
I feel like Money in the Bank should be considered a new major PPV at this point. If both shows have a World Title it'd feel kinda dumb if only one of them has a MITB match.

Or they could bring it back to Mania as an interbrand match, that made for a nice featured attraction every year.

I think bringing back King of the Ring and having it be the same month as Money in the Bank would be the best. Could have them alternate every year so Raw would get KotR one year and MitB the next.

Stickman 07-02-2016 02:46 PM

As the news has settled in and more info is coming out, I can't help but feel this is goingto be a huge let down. Seems like they are going to try to recreate the original brand split (when they had wwe, wcw, ecw talent) with a bunch of nobodies. I really don't know if the WWE even has a true major star let alone enough for two seperate brands.

Ruien 07-02-2016 06:50 PM

They have enough stars for 2 shows easily. They only have one megastar but there are two, IMO two, who have the ability to become a megastar. Rollins and AJ.

Rollins will either be the next face of the company or the next HHH. It's already set in stone.

Mr. Nerfect 07-02-2016 10:00 PM

I can't wait to see Darren Young get that big singles push we have all been waiting for.

Stickman 07-03-2016 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 4829305)
They have enough stars for 2 shows easily. They only have one megastar but there are two, IMO two, who have the ability to become a megastar. Rollins and AJ.

Rollins will either be the next face of the company or the next HHH. It's already set in stone.

The have enough wrestlers for two shows, not sure about stars though. I hate using the term, but do they have enough who can "draw."

#BROKEN Hasney 07-05-2016 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stickman (Post 4829433)
The have enough wrestlers for two shows, not sure about stars though. I hate using the term, but do they have enough who can "draw."

That's why they're bringing back the stars.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...01&oe=57FB8796

"Waiting for my meeting" says Jimmy Wang Yang.

James Steele 07-05-2016 06:08 PM

The split PPVs aren't as big of a deal because of the WWE Network. The #1 thing that ruined the last split and will determine the success of this one is will they treat SmackDown! equally.

Mr. Nerfect 07-06-2016 02:33 AM

Love Jimmy Wang Yang. The dude's only like 35 years old.

James Steele 07-06-2016 04:02 AM

I hope we get Cowboy/Redneck Jimmy Wang Yang.

James Steele 07-06-2016 04:04 AM

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20131103105245

SlickyTrickyDamon 07-06-2016 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney (Post 4830092)
That's why they're bringing back the stars.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...01&oe=57FB8796

"Waiting for my meeting" says Jimmy Wang Yang.

He's gonna meet someone tonight!

Swiss Ultimate 07-07-2016 12:11 AM

good.

Mr. Nerfect 07-08-2016 06:44 PM

Jimmy Yang and Paul London had such good chemistry. They had this series of Velocity matches that were incredible. It's a shame that London is so sour on the company, because if he had been a good boy, he'd be getting a call right about now.

Emperor Smeat 07-08-2016 10:24 PM

Next wave of potential people the WWE wants to hire or bring back was teased at recently by the Observer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
Some names WWE has shown interest in bringing in are Curt Hawkins, James Yun, Volador Jr., and Rush. Rush attended a tryout last year and at the time the WWE picked Sombra. Yun, who was Jimmy Wang Yang, was backstage at Raw and posted a photo of himself there saying he was waiting for his meeting. An idea going around was to bring back older guys who can still go to put over the younger guys after the brand split when they need more bodies for television. He would fit the criteria. Even though he dates back to the glory era of the business, he started young and he’s only 35 now. He was a very good worker but got out of wrestling to start a new business, “Jimmy’s Pest Control,” in Cincinnati


Mr. Nerfect 07-12-2016 05:35 PM

I bet you Jimmy Yang comes in as an exterminator or a Ghostbuster or something. Something where he wears a pack on his back. Jetpack Jimmy.

Mr. Nerfect 07-12-2016 05:36 PM

Curt Hawkins was solid but unremarkable. He seemed a lot better in the ring than Zack Ryder. The two together might work out. But I don't see them being as interesting as most of the other tag teams, and they have a hard enough time as it is.

Stickman 07-12-2016 06:14 PM

Is the brand split thing all decided by the "office?" Maybe I am just a mark but when Vince was talking about how he wants a ratings war, social media boost etc it makes it kind of seem like a real thing.

Emperor Smeat 07-12-2016 11:57 PM

Another possible former wrestler returning for the new Brand Split.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWI
Tommy Dreamer is backstage at tonight's Smackdown taping. Given that WWE has been looking into bringing back some older names, certainly Dreamer being there should kick off some speculation about his short and long-term future, especially since he lives in New York, not Michigan.


Evil Vito 07-13-2016 10:55 AM

Feel like Raw is gonna be getting most of these rumored returnees as they have an extra hour to fill.

That or Triple H will remain associated with Steph on Raw and it'll just become a thing that newly debuting NXT talent always start on Raw.

Innovator 07-13-2016 11:17 AM

I want NXT HHH to finally show up on the main roster, as the guy who just wants the new talent to succeed and mimics Nakamura's entrance

Rammsteinmad 07-13-2016 11:21 AM

Isn't WWE's roster already big enough without countless past names returning?

Droford 07-13-2016 11:59 AM

Busted Open counted the # of active wrestlers who got airtime (not just matches) on RAW like..2 weeks ago and it was 36. Didn't include guys like Lesnar Reigns Orton..or the USOs..

Big Vic 07-13-2016 01:18 PM

Really hope the "Shining Stars" have their debut match next week only to be split up by the draft.

Droford 07-13-2016 01:35 PM

Quote:

WWE Network to present WWE Draft Center Live simultaneously with SmackDown Live’s WWE Draft

As if the WWE Draft on SmackDown Live’s Tuesday night premiere on USA Network July 19 wasn’t big enough, the WWE Universe will also be able to watch a special WWE Draft Center Live second screen experience at 8/7 C — exclusively on WWE Network — as well as a SmackDown Live Pre-Show at 7/6 C across all digital platforms. Then, following all the exciting Draft action, there will be a Network exclusive SmackDown Post-Show at 10/9 C to break down all the events of the evening.


XL 07-13-2016 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4833054)
Really hope the "Shining Stars" have their debut match next week only to be split up by the draft.

They already had a debut match, right?

Big Vic 07-13-2016 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL (Post 4833081)
They already had a debut match, right?

sorry i meant to put debut in quotes.

DAMN iNATOR 07-14-2016 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4830681)
He's gonna meet someone tonight!


Evil Vito 07-14-2016 02:57 PM

I do wonder if any tag teams will be split up. I'd kinda hate to see that because they've started to build the division back up a bit, but they alluded on commentary this week that it could happen.

I'd rather all teams be drafted as units, but if they have to I guess they could just split up a few inconsequential teams to put across the "randomness" of the draft. Like have The Ascension split up or something, or have one of the Social Outcasts can go solo.

Maybe have Luke Harper end up on a different show from the rest of the Wyatts so that when he returns he can be a solo act. I'd also say splitting the Dudleyz so Bubba can actually be his Bully Ray character could be interesting but they probably decided to be a package deal.

Ruien 07-14-2016 03:47 PM

Stop trying to take Luke Harper away from Bray. Luke is not ready to go solo and woukd instantly be lost in the mid card shuffle.

They will split the Shining Stars and act like it's a huge deal.

I could see Steph being like, oh so you drafted Kalisto I am taking Sin Cara or some crap like that.

Heisenberg 07-14-2016 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 4833021)
I want NXT HHH to finally show up on the main roster, as the guy who just wants the new talent to succeed and mimics Nakamura's entrance



He could be WWE's Shang Tsung, cutting the lights and morphing into Nakamura/Balor/Bayley etc.

Evil Vito 07-14-2016 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 4833409)
Stop trying to take Luke Harper away from Bray. Luke is not ready to go solo and woukd instantly be lost in the mid card shuffle.

They will split the Shining Stars and act like it's a huge deal.

I could see Steph being like, oh so you drafted Kalisto I am taking Sin Cara or some crap like that.

Harper is excellent. I have no doubts whatsoever about him thriving on his own.

Good call on the Lucha Dragons though. With them jobbing to Breezango lately I think that they might just be trying to cash in on the team before splitting them up. It gives each show a masked Hispanic wrestler and Kalisto will only keep getting held back having Sin Cara there.

XL 07-14-2016 04:37 PM

Did Harper thrive on his own last time?

Ruien 07-14-2016 04:44 PM

Nope.

Ruien 07-14-2016 04:45 PM

He 100% has the ability to but let his character build up to something giving him depth when he does go solo.

Mr. Nerfect 07-15-2016 03:18 AM

The Wyatt Family feel dead in the water to me. They have for ages. I'd rather see Bray drafted on his own with The Wyatt Family being left as servants of Luke Harper. Or they can be released and Harper can become disciple of Seth Rollins.

Mr. Nerfect 07-15-2016 03:19 AM

Good teams will be split up in the draft, but shitty teams will be forced to stay together.

SlickyTrickyDamon 07-15-2016 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 4833429)
Did Harper thrive on his own last time?

He won the IC Championship so he was the most successful Wyatt ever.

Ruien 07-15-2016 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4833627)
The Wyatt Family feel dead in the water to me. They have for ages. I'd rather see Bray drafted on his own with The Wyatt Family being left as servants of Luke Harper. Or they can be released and Harper can become disciple of Seth Rollins.

I think Bray's injury ca.e at a good time. If they win this fued with New Day it should get them momentum going. Especially if they keep doing cool segments like last week st the compound.

Big Vic 07-15-2016 08:52 AM

That was such a random title win for Luke Harper.

Simple Fan 07-15-2016 12:16 PM

Quote:

Source: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter

RAW and SmackDown won’t be the only shows affected by WWE’s Brand Split. According to sources, WWE’s minor shows will also find themselves split across brand lines following the Draft next week.

According to reports, Superstars will be aligned with RAW and Main Event will be aligned with SmackDown following the Draft. As such, only talent from that brand will be booked on the shows just like RAW and SmackDown.

The WWE Draft goes down next Tuesday on the SmackDown’s live debut on USA Network.

Evil Vito 07-15-2016 02:33 PM

I figured they would become the new Heat and Velocity in terms of brand alignment. Makes sense.

drave 07-15-2016 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 4833642)
I think Bray's injury ca.e at a good time. If they win this fued with New Day it should get them momentum going. Especially if they keep doing cool segments like last week st the compound.

It would be awesome for The Wyatts to finally win in a good feud. I have zero faith, however, that it happens.

Ruien 07-15-2016 07:10 PM

I think it will happen. New Day has to lose eventually and the tag belts need to transition to Enzo and Cass fairly soon imo. Would be perfect for the two sheep people to take the belts and turn around and lose them to Enzo and Cass.

Mr. Nerfect 07-15-2016 08:43 PM

New Day probably should have dropped the belts to Gallows & Anderson before this feud with The Wyatts. Enzo & Cass could have their eyes on the prize while New Day fight over something personal.

Mr. Nerfect 07-15-2016 08:53 PM

I think we'll be getting a Bayley vs. Paige program coming out of Battleground. My guess is that Sasha calls up Bayley to be her partner, they win, Paige gets jealous, and after the split, Paige ends up on the same show with Bayley and beats her down. Sasha and Charlotte end up in the same realm to continue their program.

Lock Jaw 07-15-2016 09:06 PM

Then when Total Divas returns Paige will randomly turn face again and drop all character development/personality.

Emperor Smeat 07-15-2016 09:23 PM

Recent plans according to the Obsevrer for the new Brand Split.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
For Smackdown on Tuesday, the idea for the second screen experience is to get talent reactions and do interviews. Right now Brock Lesnar and Paul Heyman are not scheduled for Tuesday's show. Originally Lesnar was announced and advertised. He has been pulled from all advertising. They will be doing a ton of shooting all day for a potential WWE network backstage documentary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Observer
There is talk of bringing back more enhancement matches on television and using locals, both men and women in WWE. Not sure if it's for B show or A shows or how often, but the key is to have some experience and look in shape.


Mr. Nerfect 07-15-2016 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4833801)
Then when Total Divas returns Paige will randomly turn face again and drop all character development/personality.

Oh, absolutely.

slik 07-15-2016 11:29 PM

New SmackDown logo

http://i.imgur.com/VZgP3vX.jpg

Evil Vito 07-17-2016 12:53 AM

Right, so I’ve been advocating for the draft to return for ages so with it happening next week I guess I should go ahead and make some predictions. They really haven’t given a whole lot of information about how the draft will work and who will be eligible, but they’ve been hinting at teams potentially being split up which leads me to believe that they won’t be drafted together with the possible exception of The New Day.

Speaking of them, they also haven’t said if champions will be eligible or not. My gut instinct tells me that at minimum the WWE Champion, Women’s Champion, and Tag Team Champions will float between brands. But with the rumors of there being two World Champions again, they’d need to come up with some weird loophole like they did in 2002 to lock the champion onto one show. Also all of the promo materials in the lead up have implied that everybody is eligible, so I’ll go with that.

The original draft show featured each show making 10 picks with the rest being conducted via lottery after the show. I’m thinking it’ll be something similar if only because it’s tough for me to imagine every jobber on the roster getting picked on TV. 10 picks per brand on the live SmackDown, and then a lottery will take place on the WWE Network after.

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Shane and Steph squabble over who should get to pick first, knowing full well there is only one World Champion. Vince, somewhat surprisingly, awards the first pick to SmackDown to try to let the new live show hit the ground running only to then turn right around and tell Stephanie she’ll get to make two picks in a row immediately after.

This means that WWE Champion Dean Ambrose is drafted to SmackDown with the first pick of the draft while Stephanie takes Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, stating this gives her brand the best chance at claiming the WWE Championship at Battleground. I expect that to happen, and the now title-less SmackDown will bring back either a blue version of the WWE Championship or the Big Gold Belt.

SmackDown’s second selection is none other than John Cena, marking his first night as a SmackDown-exclusive wrestler since 2005. Raw counters with Brock Lesnar, who the announcers on Raw hinted was eligible and is a huge draw despite his sporadic appearances. Shane drafts AJ Styles, bringing his rivalry with Cena to the blue brand. Raw then takes Randy Orton, meaning the buildup to his SummerSlam clash with Lesnar will take place exclusively on Raw.

Given the competitive nature of the two brands, it would be logical for there to be a run on titles, right? Well…logic doesn’t always prevail in WWE land, but let’s do it anyway. The New Day dance their way over to SmackDown. Charlotte is selected by the Raw brand. Rusev is tabbed for SmackDown, and finally The Miz goes to Raw. SmackDown has three titles to Raw’s two, but that will be changed once Rollins or Reigns wins the WWE Championship. If they are hellbent on keeping the shows totally separate, Raw can add its own set of Tag Team Titles again. SmackDown, rather than having its own Women’s Champion, will eventually can bring back the Cruiserweight Championship and use the CWC as a pipeline for new talent.

Sami Zayn is Shane’s next pick, which means the only logical counter would be Kevin Owens going to Raw to build their Battleground match as a final encounter (although I somehow, someway doubt this will be their last meeting and that they will “fight forever”).

Just flying through the next few picks, Chris Jericho to SmackDown to give them another veteran presence. Cesaro to Raw to help work some long matches to fill the three hour telecast. Baron Corbin to SmackDown which gives the rookie a rub just for being drafted in the first place. Apollo Crews to Raw for much the same reason. Sheamus to SmackDown because, let’s face it, WWE don’t want Sheamus to be viewed as irrelevant enough to not get picked at all.

Stephanie’s final selection is Bray Wyatt, meaning he won’t be tormenting the New Day anymore after Battleground (and after that horrible Final Deletion ripoff, that’s probably for the better). Shane wraps up his draft with Big Cass, again making a rookie seem like a really big deal but also giving a reason for people to tune in to the lottery on the WWE Network to see if Enzo will stay with him.

LOTTERY:

Yeah, I can’t be fucked with going through the whole roster since so many of these midcarders are interchangeable at the moment. I will say that it makes sense for Darren Young to go to Raw and Zack Ryder to SmackDown so that they’ll be on the same show as the guys they’re facing at Battleground, meaning one or both of those stories can continue after the PPV as needed.

In terms of tag teams Enzo stays on SmackDown with Cass, and Anderson/Gallows are on SmackDown as well to stay as AJ’s backups. I think most of the teams will stick together on one show or another but they’ll have a few token breakups just to put across the randomness of the draft. The Lucha Dragons are probably the “big” split with Kalisto going to SmackDown and Sin Cara to Raw. This kinda leaves nothing for Sin Cara to do with no tag team partner and no Cruiserweight Title, but he’s pushing 40 and the character in general has flopped so I think he’s just holding Kalisto back at this point. I still wouldn’t mind Luke Harper going to SmackDown with the rest of the Wyatt Family being on Raw.

Most of the women conveniently end up on Raw where the Women’s Championship is. If they do put any women on SmackDown, I’d just pick someone like Emma who is injured and will be out for a while so it’ll look like a random draft pick but they can figure out what to do with her later and it will also keep her on the same show as Ryder. I guess Alberto Del Rio would be assigned to Raw too to stay with Paige.

Evil Vito 07-17-2016 06:57 PM

Draft Rules revealed:

Quote:

With this Tuesday's WWE Draft on the premiere of SmackDown Live on USA Network fast approaching, WWE.com answers the biggest questions of the WWE Universe with a breakdown of the official rules, regulations and procedures for one of the biggest nights in WWE history — including a major update that will change the face of NXT as well.

The rules for the WWE Draft are as follows:

Raw has the first overall pick
Since SmackDown Live is a two-hour show and Raw is three hours, for every two picks SmackDown Live receives, Raw will receive three picks
Tag Teams count as one pick unless a Commissioner/General Manager specifically only wants one member of the team
Six draft picks will be made off the NXT roster
The list of current WWE Superstars eligible for the WWE Draft will be as follows:

Male Superstars

AJ Styles
Alberto Del Rio
Apollo Crews
Baron Corbin
Big Show
Braun Strowman
Bray Wyatt
Brock Lesnar
Cesaro
Chris Jericho
Darren Young (w/ Bob Backlund)
Dean Ambrose – WWE Champion
Demon Kane
Dolph Ziggler
Erick Rowan
Jack Swagger
John Cena
Kalisto
Kevin Owens
Mark Henry
Neville
Randy Orton
Roman Reigns
Rusev (w/ Lana) – United States Champion
Sami Zayn
Seth Rollins
Sheamus
Sin Cara
The Miz (w/ Maryse) – Intercontinental Champion
Titus O’Neil
Zack Ryder

Tag Teams

Breezango (Fandango and Tyler Breeze)
Enzo and Cass (Enzo Amore and Big Cass)
Gallows and Anderson (Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson)
Golden Truth (Goldust and R-Truth)
Shining Stars (Epico and Primo)
Social Outcasts (Bo Dallas, Curtis Axel and Heath Slater)
The Ascension (Konnor and Viktor)
The Dudley Boyz (Bubba Ray and D-Von Dudley)
The New Day (Big E, Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods) – Tag Team Champions
The Usos (Jey and Jimmy Uso)
The Vaudevillains (Aiden English and Simon Gotch)

Female Superstars

Alicia Fox
Becky Lynch
Charlotte – WWE Women’s Champion
Dana Brooke
Eva Marie
Naomi
Natalya
Paige
Sasha Banks
Summer Rae

Evil Vito 07-17-2016 06:59 PM

Interesting that the Wyatt Family are not considered a team. Could be an oversight, unless Braun Strowman is going off on his own which feels like a terrible idea. The Lucha Dragons aren't listed as a team either, although they seemed like the most likely to split.

Also :lol: @ Demon Kane. Could leave the door open for Corporate Kane as GM.

Lock Jaw 07-17-2016 07:04 PM

Six off NXT, eh?

Finn Balor
Bayley
American Alpha (unsure if this would count as one or two under these rules)
Samoa Joe
Alexa Bliss
The Revival (if tag teams count as one pick)

Mr. Nerfect 07-17-2016 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4834241)
Six off NXT, eh?

Finn Balor
Bayley
American Alpha (unsure if this would count as one or two under these rules)
Samoa Joe
Alexa Bliss
The Revival (if tag teams count as one pick)

Replace Alexa Bliss with Nia Jax or Asuka and you have it, I think.

Mr. Nerfect 07-17-2016 07:23 PM

This should be a spoiler warning that Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns will be the first draft pick, depending on whoever Stephanie McMahon or her General Manager feels has the best chance of being the WWE Champion after Battleground.

Ruien 07-17-2016 07:51 PM

Reigns is so getting demoted to the B show. Rollins and Ambrose stay on Raw.

Wish they would just have left the entire Womens division on Raw instead of giving Raw more draft picks.

Ruien 07-17-2016 07:53 PM

Shoot. Maybe Cena ends up on Raw now with Reigns being demoted. Rollins and Cena on Raw? Hell I can't wait for draft night.

Droford 07-17-2016 07:57 PM

How long til Smackdown is 3 hours

Ruien 07-17-2016 08:29 PM

Well, nothing soon since Raw will have a lot more wrestlers. Smackdown won't have enough to fill 3 hours.


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