Though I still miss his underpants on the outside of his pants

QFT

The portrayal of Wonder Woman made me want to head to Burbank and burn DC building to the ground.

Really enjoyed the New 52 Wonder Woman series, though..... Azarello's run was p good.....

I only read Batman's run on new 52 and it was fucking stellar.

But yeah. Superman's endless hope and optimism clash with today's society. It's what makes him relevant. Zach Snyder just didn't know wtf he was doing and drove the character into the ground. Thank God it sounds like we're getting an actual solid representation of him in JL

Only thing I liked from New 52 was Green Lantern, but I dunno if that even really counts, as it was one of the only books to keep it's continuity unaltered.

Didn't read that. Batman Zero Year is maybe my favorite Batman story

Read a bunch of new 52 stuff and there was a bunch i liked (And some I hated). It just took me a few years to get into it at all because I had to get over the loss of the old universe.

I had an issue hold at the local comic shop. Gave it up after rebirth as I didn't find it as compelling for the main Batman storyline

Batman survived New52 because other than dropping BatDick and the Batman Inc., the status quo was closest to typical Batman. Also Court of Owls is one of the coolest recent additions to the Batman mythos.

Does it matter that I haven't watched Suicide Squad or Wonder Women before I watch this? I'm struggling to find the motivation to watch those films, but at least curious to see Justice League.

Just watch it. You either wanna follow the series or not.

Watch Wonder Woman. Suicide Squad sucks and is inconsequential

In defense of Suicide Squad, finished product aside, the idea that Superman's death motivated Waller to put together a team of freaks to deal with meta-human threats in insane black ops missions covers a specific political corner of the DCEU. Not to mention the post credits scene that shows that their own potential risk is not unnoticed by a key character of the DCEU. The actual movie was kinda all over the place, but I wouldn't call it inconsequential in the same way, say, Ant-Man was (nothing really happened that affected the MCU in any substantial way).

It's inconsequential in that nothing that happened in that film has any bearing on Justice League. Yes, the motive was based on the death of Superman. But the actual movie itself, it's characters, and what occurs has zero impact on the JL film.

You don't need to watch it to watch and understand Justice League. They're not really connected. Even the post credit scene is not needed, seeing as Bruce already hacked Luthor.

Wonder Woman on the other hand has a main character in it, developing her reasoning and motives. Apparently JL gives her time to expand on it.

In terms of actual characters and direct plotlines, sure, but I was thinking the 'macro-plot' or rising metahumans in the DCEU. I feel SS added to the overall idea.

You gotta remember Kalyx sees the whole DCEU as one movie.

This is true.

As do I. I just don't see SS as an integral part of the universe.

I agree that DC does mantle passing better in general but I would honestly put Bucky's transition into the new cap up against any in DC's history. It was excellently done, and one of my favorite stories ever. I'm pretty much all digital now, and donated almost all my trades to libraries, but I still have all my Cap trades from the Winter Soldier all the way to Death of Captain America. The problem was that Marvel doesn't have the balls to stick to their status quo changes and they put Steve back in the costume WAY too soon.

As for FemThor, that's not even a mantle passing. Jane picking up the hammer is one piece of a large overarching plot that began with the Godbreaker story.

She calls herself Thor. Her book is called Thor. She punched people for making of her being called Thor. She clearly considers it a mantle she gained in-universe as her writers in reality. And no I didn't like the other dude way back when.

This is the Justice League thread, damn it!

Gamora fucked Tony Stark and wasn't impressed.

I'm not much of a Marvel fan but I love current Thor to death I want her to keep the mantle I know she can't(but then Odin has made other hammers before so maybe)

Isn't the movie out in like 2 days? Shouldn't there be critic reviews by now?

And yet all of it is being done with an end game in mind.

She's not Kyle Rayner.

I could potentially see them keeping her around after Thor becomes worthy again. I still think she is going to end up sacrificing herself to save everyone in some way, as the cancer gets worse. Could even somehow play into how Thor becomes worthy of Mjolnir again.

WE'RE TAKIN' OVERRRRRRRR

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrest...worldorder.jpg

Getting back on track....Rotten tomatoes had it at 43% recommended, Metacritic with Ann average score of 49. So it's decent or average or mixed. Which is a good thing.

....thats not mixed....thats poor...

Link please.

Think I'm gonna go on Saturday night to see this regardless..... all I want is for it to not be completely terrible.

Wait, when does this premiere?

Tonight's the night

On a Thursday? Odd.

Most major movies soft open on Thursday night

http://i.imgur.com/1QwV7iW.png

That's the Metacritic scoring chart. It's undeniably getting a rotten score on RT.

Have at it, bud.

That scale is crazy

Meh. It makes enough sense I guess. I'm watching it regardless.

Imagine that scale for school grades.

Shit. I'd have a fucking college degree right now

Already kicked off a row over “sexualised costumes” :roll:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41983452

I saw that. Don't care. I'll let you know how it looks after tomorrow

Thought it was ok, personally thought Dawn of Justice was better though. Really liked Cyborg surprisingly but still don't think he needs his own movie.

I somehow find it hilarious that Khal Drogo plays a guy named Arthur.

Sorry dude but this almost certainly means JL is better than BvS. lol

Also cyborg is going to be the worst part of the film :lol:

The movie was perfect.

So you're saying there wasn't a single flaw or nitpick with the movie

I wanted it to be longer. That’s my only gripe.

Nigga who are you?

I heard Steppenwolf is pretty lame in this.

Literally every I know who has seen this has said that

Shame. Love Ciaran Hinds.

Nobody. Move along. Nothing to see here.

My buddy saw it. He thought Man of Steel was ok, hated Bvs, but thought this was better. Not as a complete movie. But just in that it was far more entertaining and didn't take itself seriously.

Said he really liked the way they handled Superman's return.

It's not great. Better than BvS and Suicide Squad, but....this needed to be better, imo.

Will elaborate later.

Think the biggest question now is....do we get a sequel?

Theyve already filmed it...havent they?

Thought so, too.

Wait, no, according to wiki they began working on a script this October.

Right so when Justice League was announced, I was worried that not building their world up first and just rushing into the big team movie would hurt it, and I was right. There isn't enough time to develop these new characters and as a result, it's hard to care about them as much as the big three. Even the world around them seems just rushed together. They introduce the concept of atlantis and it's kingdom but doesn't really explain anything about it or anything. The movie is literally just like "Oh yeah, btw there's water people now."

That brings me to my next problem. Too much exposition. There is so much in this movie that's just explained through dialogue. A big reason why marvel's formula is so great is that it shows you instead of tells you. There are things that should have been explored a bit more but it's all like "No time! We need to get to the next scene! This is what this is all about! ok go go go!

Like most of the other DC movies, it has pacing problems, and feels like random scenes just plugged one after another, instead of a free flowing story. Also has one of the weirdest, most awkward openings for a superhero movie.

Yeah, Steppenwolf is pretty much Ronan. Guy who looks cool and is super tough but ultimately is just something for the team to hit. Fuck, even Ronan had at least some backstory and motivation. The movie tells you NOTHING about him other than a rambling line or two that has vague hints of his Apokolips origins. One of these lines hints that he was expelled from Apokolips and he's doing all this conquering to redeem himself. He could of been cooler if they explored this motivation instead of making it a throwaway line that most people will forget 5 minutes later.

AQUAMAN IS ROMAN REIGNS

He doesn't just look like roman his ENTIRE PERSONALITY is Roman Reigns right down to a T. Right down to the forced, lame one liners. It's fucking uncanny.

Most of the dialogue is mundane. It definitely feels like a reactionary move to the backlash of previous films grim tone, but a lot of the jokes and one liners fall pretty flat. Flash is really fun throughout the movie, ironically because he's written like an MCU character.

Cyborg looks like a Bayformer with a dude's face. And has about as much personality as one. Would give them a pass since the character itself is pretty lame imo, but MCU made Falcon cool, so nope.

On the plus side, the fights are pretty cool, even if the CG looks like shit at times.

Two post credit scenes btw. Second one would have me super fucking pumped if everything else wasn't so subpar.

I will say that Diana and Bruce's interactions were fun to watch, and they did a really great job building their relationship.

Fine. Now you should too.

working togetherrrrrrr solving the prooooooooblem

Also,

Didn't like Steppenwolf all that much either. Thought his look in the short time he was in Dawn of Justice was better, if that was him. Agree Flash seemed like a MCU character which I wasn't a big fan of.

I want Roman Reigns to start doing the Aquaman Punch lol

Saw it today. I'll have a full review later. But I liked it. It's not great. But enjoyable.

Film was projected to hit $110 mil this weekend, now looking like $95 mil

Oof that's a really bad opening. Complete failure.

On par with the fast and furious film but trailing everything in the genre inculding wonder woman in the past 365 days

Important to note that opening weekend is the biggest money maker for these films

300mil befofe marketing budget

For comparison thor opened to 122 mil domestic on a 180 mil budget.

Really expected wonder woman to boost premire sales...

Not only isnthe budget for all DC films in the line but number of solo films are as well...

I was unaware about them having to cgi out Henry Cavills moustache in the reshoots he did. I didn't notice anything funny looking

I enjoyed Justice League. It's got some pacing issues in the first half but it finds it's footing in time. I really liked all the members of the team -- especially Flash and surprisingly Cyborg, who I never expected to find interesting.

Aquaman really is Roman Reigns btw.

So...after letting the movie set in, I will stick with my initial thought that I liked it. It's not great. I could argue it's not even good. It is competent. The strength of the movie is the interactions between the heroes. But there's not enough of it.

As already stated, the movie does a lot of telling instead of showing. And there's a really brisk pace to move from one scene to another. The villain is incredibly weak.

From a film standpoint, it is weak and forgettable. But it's enjoyable at the least.

So something you won't really recall much of aside from a few scenes after a few weeks

Pretty much, yeah. Fight scenes were cool. Nothing about the story was memorable. Mainly because as I said, most of the story was just dialogue.

The line of the movie was when Martha told Lois that Clark called he the thirstiest woman he'd ever met. Only time I heard the majority of people laugh. Alfred's "its about time somebody here went on a date" was a close 2nd.

I'm pretty sure given more editing time with current climate that joke would have been a deleted scene on the dvd

Yes. Passable fodder but not much else.

Severely flawed film but a noticeable improvement over BvS.

I didn't hate it like i did every DC movie not Wonder Woman until now...but i didn't love it and will definitely never watch it again.

I enjoyed it a lot. Thought it started off a bit slow, but once the ball got rolling I was sucked in. Steppenwolf was a bit lame, but I was far more interested in the actual fact of the team coming together than what they were coming together to fight against.

Steppenwolf was there to be the reason why the League needed to exist, nothing more. And he fit that role in a satisfactory manner.

I would have greatly preferred the White Martians, but you would have needed Martian Manhunter for that.

Rich. And nuts. Rich and nuts.

I had fun it felt like a bit of a Frankenstein's monster (two films fused together) far from perfect but it was fun and it had some really good parts so yea I'd recommend.

SUPERMAN WAS MOTHERFUCKING SUPERMAN!

I think that is the most common take away. Superman was superman.

Batman had his moments of pushing buttons. Plus the encouragement he gave Barry before the first battle.

But yeah, Superman was great in this. His line when shared a moment of levity with cyborg was great. I hope we get more of that in sea sequels.

The CGI on Superman's face bothered me whenever he was on screen.

I didn't notice it

The opening scene with the kids filming him, it looks pretty obvious. His lip looked weird. Other than that it was fine.

I didn't really notice his cgi face at all, tbh. Bit I wasn't looking either.

This was alright. Didn't have the logical absurdities BvS had but did fall into a lot un-earned moments. Stuff that should have been fuck yeah moments but came off forced.

That mid-movie fight with the League vs Supes was fun, tho. Really establishes Clark is an ace in the whole. Also puts DCAU power hierarchy theories to rest. He's top of the food chain. Then again, Diana didn't go Full Goddess here.