I agree with most of xrod’s criticism. However, his approach is extremely cringeworthy. I doubt he’ll leave over something like that. He’s a wrestling forum staple for better or worse.

Looks like the arm dislocated (completely) at the elbow which is better than a break so Rey won't be out for more than a few months likely.

So glad it's not worse, whew!

I miss Droford

a tpww legend and icon

xrod. I say this as a friend. You gotta change up the gimmick.

Maybe once Tony Kahn changes up his gimmick and stops being a racist! :rofl:

Sean Ross Sapp reporting that Fénix dislocated his elbow and there’s no fracture. Good news.

Had to do a double take :rofl:

Awesome news, far better outcome than what could have been.

It is not a gimmick.

I genuinely dislike Tony Khan as a person.
I genuinely think CM Punk needs to move on from WWE.

Idk when xrod decided to be an admiring unfunny troll but god incessant need to shoehorn AEW or Tony khan criticisms into seemingly everything he posts on top of his noid style made up narratives is just annoying as fuck. He can stay. That’s what the mute button is for.

Same

It's fair to criticize Tony Khan's conduct. But that's all you ever post about.

Also, one thing that bothers me is that the fans gave Punk a pass even though he ditched his best friend midway through a trial.

Its literally been 6 days, since Tony Khan spazzed out on New Years Eve, that I have randomly inserted a joke about Tony Khan being racist. Maybe a total of 5 posts that I "shoehorned" it in where it had nothing to do with anything. And yes, that was by design, but still.

Talking about Tony Khan in an AEW thread though, that is not shoehorning anything. And "my made up narratives"? I guess I just made up the thread Slik made about Tony Khan being an assclown on Twitter. Maybe I even made up Big Swole giving an interview, then I made up the article title to create clickbait, and lastly I made up Tony Khan's response.

All me, sorry guys, guess like Hulkamania, my imagination is runnin wild!!!!

@xrod Why's Big Swole racist?

I dont get why everyone is piling on xrod for what he said about Fenix. The dude is always getting hurt and it's usually because he pushes the envelope so far that it's an inevitability. Think of how many times he's fallen face first to the mat or ontop of his head. The dude is resilient no doubt but he is also highly valuable and needs to work smarter.

Also while I'm a big fan of Tony in general, he's definitely subject to plenty of shit talk because he is a fucking nerd and only has friends because he's very rich. Still love his passion for wrestling but I wish he would STFU.

Have you ever read what she writes or listened to what she says? Just because Tony Khan responded so poorly to her usual rhetoric doesn't mean that she is suddenly righteous. She plays the race card way too often, even tried to do so in regards to Jade Cargill.

I am guessing you couldn't argue with my points, so you searched old posts for some kind of gotcha moment.

Here let me help you, this is a much more recent comment

This is what annoys me the most. I know I would enjoy AEW so much more if this idiot was never heard from. But even though he should STFU, he can't help himself.

the only place i hear what tony kahn says is here because you dummies post it. really easy to avoid him on social media if you're not an obsessive weirdo.

That's true too

Zactlyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Bunch of jealous weirdos.

That was not my intention. I’m certain that I asked this before and it remained unanswered. I was just giving it another shot. If you read my other posts in this thread…for the most part, I am not disagreeing with what you have to say.

I don’t doubt that you genuinely dislike Tony Khan.

You can genuinely dislike Tony and also turn that dislike into a caricature of “Guy who REALLY dislikes Tony” though.

People want to stick their fingers in their ears and ignore reason so they can enjoy the thing they’ve hitched their wagon to. I know I’m disrupting the peace when I talk about AEW sucking, their flaws and what it is doing to the perception of wrestling. But I also know that I am not alone and that people do appreciate the balance and it might make them feel less insane if they come on here and see it is not a complete echo chamber.

No comments on this TBS show. It didn’t even hit my radar this week. I’m interested in the rating though.

Very true, and admittedly I did state that I did it a few times in these last few days. Weapon X even replied twice to me that I am obsessed, because that waa the joke, that I brought it up a few times randomly in threads about different things.


So there it is, 5 times since December 31st that I replied with a nonsense Tony Khan joke. Anything else was a serious take and a proper reply to the threads they were in.

No one would pick up on it if they were Vince McMahon jokes.

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Right. But then there’s stuff like you ragging on Tony for promoting CM Punk’s Daly Place debut. I still don’t know whether that was meant to be taken seriously. It wasn’t said in the same tone as this other stuff. But the fact that you’ve got this side “gimmick” going muddles everything.

I say you should full-on commit to a comedy gimmick or drop it entirely. Don’t half-ass it.

Everyone on tpww is entitled to full creative control of their character you guys

Because that was fucking stupid. How is CM Punk's first ever appearance at Daily's Place special whatsoever? It's a 5 year old building, they NEVER promoted any other person's first appearance there, and it is not like he was having a title match or anything special at all. This is not Donald Trump walking into North Korea as the first sitting US President ever. CM Punk at Daily's Place got top billing for the entire show. That is a Ludicrous thing to promote.

Daly's Place is there home arena. It doesn't matter that it's 5 years old. AEW is younger than that. It's their home arena. For them it's a big deal.

CM Punk is their biggest star.

Their biggest star made his debut in their home arena and they put it first on the marquee for their weekly TV show that week.

And this triggered a deep "LOL FUCK TONY KHAN" reaction from you.

You see the issue here?

If CM Punk is their biggest star, then why isn't he in the title picture?

Damb. He got you there fan. Stumped!

CM Punk is their biggest star? Based on what, T-Shirt sales, direct to DVD low budget horror movies, or losing to a dude named Johnny Bananas on MTV's The Challenge?

Why didn't Cody Rhodes get a "First time at Daily's Place hype" the first time he was there? What about Moxley or Omega? Daniel Bryan has main evented 2 Wrestlemania's, where was his Daily's Place debut graphic and tweets? Hell they had Shaq have a freaking match at Daily's Place, why didn't Daily's Place get top billing then?

Tony Khan loves CM Punk, has gone on record as saying Punk was the first guy he wanted to sign because he is such a fan. And really that is what it is all about, he is not their biggest star, he is just Tony Khan's favorite toy.

As for Punk himself, CM Punk said for YEARS he would never go back to wrestling, "NEVER EVER EVER!", but then he failed at everything else he tried, and it changed to "I meant I'll never go back to WWE". Except he tried to get his agent to reach out to WWE, and they said no thanks, not interested. Then he got Fox to hire him for a show about WWE, and tried to get WWE to hire him again, and again WWE said no. Then Fox offered to pay Punk's salary for him to be on Smackdown, costing Vince nothing, and Vince STILL said no.

Then all of a sudden, "hey I love AEW", even though for over 2 years he ripped them. Talking about how they are unprofessional by texting him offers, how they would have to pay him WAY MORE because he could make more going back to WWE. Meanwhile all he does is STILL talk about WWE in promos and interviews and on Twitter, because who is he if he is not "Fed Bad" guy?

Dude hates WWE, they held him back and stifled his creativity. Now in AEW he has the creative freedom to be himself, except instead he came back as the exact same WWE character he was when he quit. Same white T-Shirt, same music, same moves, same catchphrases, etc. I

Yes most of this is a about Punk and not Daily's Place, but to tie it all together, it is not JUST Daily's Place that was irrelevant, Punk's first time in any arena is not a big deal either.

Punk only started to become interested in AEW when Brodie died and he's never taken drugs or smoked cigarettes. CM Punk is a real star who has a deep relationship with the AEW which sees itself as the smartest wrestling fans.

Punk holds victories over talents that Roman does not, legends like Raven, McGuiness and Regal. Sure Roman has a very very cool tattoo that really kicks ass and also really bad ass hair that makes you wanna just get up and go! But that aside guys like CM Punk are hard to find. He doesn't drink he doesn't smoke and his only addiction is competition. That's a shoot brother, he is the G in legit.

Yeah, but he wishes he was the E in legit, because secretly he would rather be in the E, the W.W.EEEEEEEEEE.!

So who is AEW's biggest star then?

Moxley

Cody, Omega, Bryan, Page, Moxley, Jericho, pick one. Hell Sting is a bigger star than Punk. Even Hook has surpassed his T-Shirt sales.

Sting is the only one you can argue.

None of the other ones you mentioned are a bigger star than Punk.

You’re being ridiculous.

Page? Omega? Hook? Really?

I think Bryan is a bigger star for sure. Arguments can easily be made for Jericho and Moxley being bigger deals than CM Punk nowadays too.

If Punk didn't have that 7 year lay off he would be the biggest star of them all rn though.

I dunno about Jericho actually. I think he's fallen out of that argument over the last year now that I think about it.

But I still think Bryan and prob Mox eclipse Punk.

Bryan’s got that same “golden days of the IWC darlings” recognition but I think Punk’s a bit of a bigger name. Definitely a bigger name than Moxley and the others mentioned.

Also,

He was there from the beginning. His first time at Daily’s place was probably AEW’s first time at Daily’s place and definitely before it became “home” to them.

Another weird point. lol

Why are we comparing Cody, who’s seemingly typecast himself as a mid card wrestler in his own fed, to CM Punk, a top merch mover who was one of the main guys in the biggest wrestling company on earth? Like, it’s not even close lol. If the company didn’t hype up Punk appearing on TV they’d be idiots.

Hook by the t-shirt sales, since that was one of the things Punk was number 1 at. Not anymore though, Hook tapped his shirt sales out.

LOL by what metric? Bryan has accomplished things Punk never did. Plus whatever you want to think about reality shows, Bryan has been on those for many years as well. The YES chant took over sports for a while. Bryan Danielson is a far bigger star.

Alright, why not Moxley, Bryan, or Shaq?

Cody Rhodes is on 2 different TV Shows, does all the pressers, and is somebody who's lineage in the wrestling business AEW is built on. Cody Rhodes is a bigger star than CM Punk.

So what? Hook’s t-shirt sales also outdrew everyone else in the company. At least temporarily. That includes all those other guys you mentioned as AEW’s biggest stars. So if I mentioned Hook beating their shirt sales as a point against them would that be valid? Or is it only somehow a knock against Punk? lol

I asked you how you determined Punk is their biggest star. I asked if it was based off t-shirt sales. IF, and I am not saying you said this, but IF t-shirt sales are a metric, then Hook beats Punk. Or is the number of t-shirts sold not a plus unless it is for Punk?

I think the "biggest star" with the most "mainstream" name recognition is probably Jericho

Biggest "draw" among people who watch wrestling I would say is still Punk at this point, as far as ticket sales and PPV buys and merch sales and stuff... but feel like that will continue to wear off as time goes on since a lot of it is him returning after being away for so long

The t-shirt sales thing just shows the top sellers of the week, so makes sense that Hook's new shirts would temporarily be at the top. Most people who want CM Punk shirts already bought them...

Sure, moving merch is one metric. Hook had the #1 shirt after he debuted. Punk had #2. You know who had #3?

Punk.

So... misleading. But yes. Merch sales are important. That doesn’t mean Hook taking #1 temporary is particularly relevant. Hook is not in the conversation. Lol

Punk is also responsible for the biggest rating they’ve had (I think) since their debut. And that happened on the late Friday night B-show.

Of course Hook is not AEW's biggest star. I am also not saying Punk is not a draw at all, far from it, and yes he popped a rating, but that gain was gone within a month.

We clearly disagree on his importance/value to AEW overall. He is the is the central figure we have butted heads over the last 6 months, with a sprinkling of Tony Khan mixed in. It is what it is, an agree to disagree situation.

Cody is a huge star, girls love him and guys hate him. He is one of the best in the world in the ring and constantly has 5 star matches and has a beautiful wife and cute dog. Sure his neck tattoo is a huge mistake and he went to hard for America once in a promo but he is the star of Go Big Show and was on seven episodes of Arrow.

Cody's Stephen Amell show > CM Punk's Stephen Amell show

I would rather see Ricky Rabies than CM Punk, to be honest. At least he isn't bitching about 7 year old bullshit.

Yeah Punk needs to let it go with the WWE, just let it go Punk.

All this talk about mega star Hook, don’t forget to tune in to see Hook (a mega star) in action TONIGHT on AEW Friday Night Rampage!

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I actually don't even think Punk's WWE references even come from him having an axe to grind anymore, feel like he "moved on" from it ages ago and was eager to get the frivolous lawsuit with the doctor over with.

But I think he's just of the mindset that stuff like that shots on WWE always make for an "easy pop" from the audience. He's not the only wrestler that does it, but I feel like they need to stop with playing to the lowest common denominator like that.

I cringed a little when they'd do the WWE references in the early days of AEW, but at this point they've been on TV for over two years and it just doesn't feel needed.

The YES chants did not "take over sports". They were at a handful of events, and I can guarantee you most of the people doing it had no idea it was related to wrestling fans. A group of wrestling fans in the crowd started and herd mentality took over.

What are some of these WWE references he’s made? Gonnaneed a short list because I have a feeling the “fed bad” vibe might be another “Tony promoting Punk at Daily’s Place” level reach.

His return promo was more about his journey back than the fed. I know about the “less talented Miz” line. That’s actually kinda fed GOOD if you think about it. What else?

Well a big part of his promo this week involved MJF and Punk sparring with MJF claiming he could go right to "the other place" and do something Phil couldn't and headline Mania. Punk told him to go have fun over there and he'll be waiting in AEW when MJF inevitably gets his future endeavors.

He broke out Cena's five moves of doom against Eddie Kingston, although tbf he was basically playing the heel in that one and the crowd figured out two moves in what he was doing.

Also he did a tongue in cheek reference to his own pipebomb promo which I found funny because Punk's said himself he kinda regrets that promo simply because everyone and their brother has tried to do a "shoot" since then.

None of this really bothers me tbh. Punk always felt like someone who could get away with any wink wink stuff but I can see why it grates on other people/makes him look bitter.

so MJF brought it up, and that's Punk's fault? I dunno, didn't watch.

Well one of MJF's talking points in recent weeks is the "bidding war of 2024", which is when is contract ends. In and of itself that entire talking point is meant to get MJF heat because the implication is he'll eventually take the WWE payday. So Punk took that and ran with it even further.

It's just very meta I guess. It's not like stuff like this hampers my enjoyment or whatever but I don't feel its needed. I enjoy watching AEW because it is an entertaining product, I don't need to be reminded about why WWE sucks.

But again, it's an easy way to pop the segment of the audience that jacks itself off at "insider references"

Oh.




Whatever pops the marks is good for business overall I'd think, regardless of who is holding the stick.


MJF is extremely good on the mic, but he'd be a mid-carder in WWE.


Member when WCW and WWE existed and this stuff already happened and it viewed as a good thing?

Any recent references to WWE by Punk have been in response to MJF bringing up going there after AEW or MJF talking about Punk's time in WWE, for example, how Punk never main evented a Mania, was a different/better performer there than now in AEW, etc.

It'd be pointless, stupid, and weird for Punk not to respond about it.

I tried to move on, I explained why that was dumb over and over, Daily's Place is not special, or they would promote everybody's first time there. CM Punk is not special, otherwise they would promote his first time at every arena he has never been at before.

Why did Punk, who has made it known over the years how bitter he is that he never main evented Wrestlemania while Miz did, who got so triggered over a comment Miz made on WWE backstage that he tweeted go suck a blood covered Saudi dick, need to bring up Miz at all? If Punk is so good, why does he need that crutch?

"Main Event Night 4 of a buy 1 get 1 free show". Real righteous comment there, not bitter at all.

The WWE-centric dogs are really cringe-worthy. No matter who says them. Just stop reminding people there is something bigger and better just down the street.

Yeah, wouldn't want to have any reality in the product.

Yeah, like not talking about how CM Punk's ass was so decisively beat in UFC, just so he can talk like a tough guy who can kick anybody's ass. Reality

So you agree that they should acknowledge reality?

When a song references other, better songs, it doesn't make me want to hear the song doing the references. It just makes me want to hear the better songs.

It's the same bullshit TNA/Impact used to do and they are a large thriving company right now, ri... Oh yeah.

They should either Acknowledge all reality, or stay in their own bubble. Either everything is fair game, or nothing is. If they want to pretend they are shooting, then how does nobody say "i've seen you fight, you can't kick anybody's ass".

MJF did call out his shitty MMA career a few weeks back if i'm not mistaken

Are you assuming because they haven't done it yet that means they never will? Do you think they should just throw every insult out there at each other at one time?

What he said was something along the lines of lasting longer than his UFC career, nothing about how he got destroyed and embarassed. In fact the insult MJF said doesn't really make sense because PhIl was signed to UFC for about 3 and a half years, even though it was only 2 fights.

Again... Daily’s Place is special TO AEW because it’s their home. It doesn’t matter how big of a deal you personally feel it is. It is their home arena thus making it a landmark for the company. It is special to the company as it should be.

They didn’t promote everybody’s first time there because A) not everybody is as big of a deal as Punk, B) most of their stars have been there from the get-go, C) others likely made their actual debut there, D) Others haven’t been away from wrestling for 7 years making their first appearance less special... I could go on...

They don’t promote his first time in every arena because... once again... every arena... is not their home arena.

I’m sorry I called this a gimmick. I was hoping you’d take the chance to blow it off as a joke. Bashing Tony for promoting CM Punk’s first appearance in AEW’s home arena is the nitpicky reach to end all nitpicky reaches though.

They won't because 1, Phil's ego is too fragile, and 2, it would just bury Phil on air. That is the point though, logically if they are going to "shoot", they would have to bring that up. It is exactly why Phil doing shoots is a bad idea, because it is instantly loses all credibility when the other guy doesn't say "Mike Jackson tickled you".

Just because it is their home arena and special to them, doesn't make it special. Playing a baseball game at Globe Life Field is not the same thing as playing a baseball game at Fenway Park, no matted how much the Texas Rangers like their home field.

It was AEW! Promoting an AEW show! To AEW fans! It literally only matters that it’s a special arena for AEW. You not thinking it’s special therefore AEW shouldn’t promote it as such despite its significance to the company is ridiculous! Lol

They often promote players debuting on the team’s home field in sports. Usually even with more effort than was put into Punk’s Daily’s Place promotion. Does that send you into a tizzy?

It got top billing! A guy at a place, top billing...

They almost always do, even the :roll: Texas Rangers.

Exactly the sort of thing people would mock WWE for. Remember when “for the first time ever!” followed by something unspectacular was a meme? Standards have lowered since then.

You guys have a knack for arguing a point I never made just to keep something going.

I said nothing about a baseball player, just that playing at Fenway means something because of it's lore, while a brand new place does not.

That said, I have NEVER seen a tweet or promotional tact of "Come see Baseball Player X play his very first game at this brand new 2 year old ballpark!"

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that doesn't mention anything about the ballpark

You do realize that Tweet says nothing about their ballpark, right?

Yeah, and if AEW were a 30+ year old company, ran by an almost 80 year old man who wishes instead he was a Hollywood exec, doing what WWE has continually done for the last 10-15 years, I'd mock them too.

"Oh no, XROD got me, my tweet didn't mention the ballpark. I know, I'll try to pick on Nerfect's post instead!"

Brilliance!

Rampage still on TNT?

Yes

”First look: Brady at Raymond James Stadium”

LOL!!! Look at nfl.com promoting Tom Brady in Raymond James Stadium for the first time! RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM! It’s not even special like Lambeau Field! SO STUPID! Makes NO sense!

(For the love of God, xrod. Take my advice and don’t google the phrase “first appearance at Full Sail”. You’ll have an aneurysm.)

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Not for long.

That isn’t an example of what xrod was saying. You a totally unreasonable nutbag. The varnish off Tony Khan’s boot has finally fried the last of your functioning synapses.