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Splaya 11-29-2004 11:02 PM

Ok look here's the deal. We are all going to do that Raw interactive thing now.

We can make a chat there and everything.

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:02 PM

They are teasing a title change rather well but it won't happen

Splaya 11-29-2004 11:03 PM

DAMMIT ORTON GET UP :mad:


The way I talk it's like Orton is in the match. DAMMIT RKO get in there :rant:

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyTB29
Why didn't Orton make it no DQ and ban all Evolotion members.That way Orton can interfere and Batista&Flair can't.

More proof HHH retains

Gone Mad 11-29-2004 11:03 PM

Benoit in black and blue tights is kool. Not as cool as Carlito Cool though.

Batista is my new hero. Just look at him.
http://www.batistaweb.com/raw/020303/10.jpg

Oh, god. A ref bump. This is over.

McLegend 11-29-2004 11:04 PM

HHH is gonna lose

Splaya 11-29-2004 11:04 PM

BOWS THE FUCK DOWN AT ORTON

Shadow 11-29-2004 11:04 PM

Randy Orton=teh man!

Joe Kerr 11-29-2004 11:04 PM

Benoit got the headlock ...lol

Vazz 11-29-2004 11:04 PM

TAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:04 PM

Good lord can it happen

Joe Kerr 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

EDGE and Benoit

JT 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

Edge won the title.

Vazz 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

wtf!

Shadow 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

What the hell?

Not another decision like this shit.

JeremyTB29 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

Edge new champ??

Sting Fan 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

Serious holy shit moment if Benoit wins

V 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

god dammit not again

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

EDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNbelievable hold on

JT 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

Double World Champions. :D

Splaya 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

What the fuck IS GOING ON



EDGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE



holy shit I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO RIGHT NOW. WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK.


OH WAIT, HHH WILL COME IN THE RING AND PIN SOMEONE.

Mayo 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

WTF, another stupid shady ending? This is retarded.

Shadow 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

And this is how HHH retains folks. A total fucking shitfest.

Joe Kerr 11-29-2004 11:05 PM

HHH will retain

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:06 PM

HHH retains :rofl:

Sting Fan 11-29-2004 11:06 PM

Edge won wtf? can someone do a brief pbp of the end please.

CosaNostra 11-29-2004 11:06 PM

This is fucking stupid

:nono:

JT 11-29-2004 11:06 PM

"You Got Beat!" chant. :D

JeremyTB29 11-29-2004 11:06 PM

ugh leaving us with a cliff hanger :(

V 11-29-2004 11:06 PM

wow, it's over

FUCK WE GOTTA WAIT TILL NEXT WEEK

Joe Kerr 11-29-2004 11:06 PM

uh..............no ending

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:07 PM

I never saw edge tap.Benoit's shoulders were down though

MVP 11-29-2004 11:07 PM

Next week the match will probably be declared a No Contest and HHH will retain once again.

Just gonna be another stupid ploy the writers thought up because they figured it would tease the audience.

JT 11-29-2004 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayo
WTF, another stupid shady ending? This is retarded.

Better than Pedegree...Pin...

Joe Kerr 11-29-2004 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyTB29
ugh leaving us with a cliff hanger :(


will HHH retain his title

will Lita wrestle a perfect match

find out next week same bat time....same bat channel

Splaya 11-29-2004 11:08 PM

I taped the end of Raw.


I'll watch it

JeremyTB29 11-29-2004 11:08 PM

Atleast Benoit or Edge didn't have to Job to HHH.

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:09 PM

Who's blood was on the mat at the end.I ask because it looked like Edge was losing blood alot of blood in the crossface

ColdwaVer 11-29-2004 11:09 PM

Ok... so the decision is going to end up being... Jericho's???

Mayo 11-29-2004 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadManWalkin
I never saw edge tap.Benoit's shoulders were down though

I only saw one of Benoit's shoulders down.

JT 11-29-2004 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadManWalkin
Who's blood was on the mat at the end

Edge. His nose was bleeding.

Joe Kerr 11-29-2004 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadManWalkin
Who's blood was on the mat at the end


Edge his nose was bleeding

Nervous Ferret 11-29-2004 11:11 PM

Raw really saved itself with the end there. The rest of the show was shit.

If you can honestly say you didn't see the triple threat match comig you are an idiot. Great ending though.
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Joe Kerr 11-29-2004 11:11 PM

jinx

Splaya 11-29-2004 11:11 PM

Ok, after watching the tape real quick (Like it really matters) Edge did tap out. Before the 3 or after I dunno yet

Evil Vito 11-29-2004 11:12 PM

<font color=goldenrod>If they go with that retarded "HHH retains in a tie" bullshit I may very well have to head down to Stamford and slap some people around. They fucked up the original point of the battle royal, they'd better not fuck up the ending and just hand it right back to HHH.

And I bet they know people are gonna get pissed if the let HHH keep it, but they probably figure "Hey, Jericho, the crowd favorite, is gonna be GM next week. Let's just use him to get ratings high and then put him in a nothing feud against Viscera!!!"</font>

Nervous Ferret 11-29-2004 11:12 PM

Btw Edge's feet hit first in the royal. I didnt read the previous pages so I don't know if anyone else saw that.
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Gone Mad 11-29-2004 11:13 PM

Jericho is the winner. Watch next week and you'll see. Just like I predicted last week. But if somehow, someway Edgehead wins.... I will be majorly pissed.

My comment on this week's episode: Vicky was there, the linguire show was hot, and Jericho will host next week. A C- show just for those reasons alone.

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:14 PM

Fair thing to do would be Benoit and Edge next week for the title.But of course Jericho will want his shot so maybe triple threat

Splaya 11-29-2004 11:14 PM

Since I'm a loser and I watched it in slo mo, Edge tapped out before the 3 count. I mean I watched this down to the T...

Even though it will be a no contest, Benoit (by logic and the power of the videotape) should be the rightful Champ

JT 11-29-2004 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Radd
jinx

Oh sweet.

*Punches you in the arm.*

Radd: Ow! Hey, I'm suppose to hit you.

JT: Yea, we won't be doing that. :o

The Answer 11-29-2004 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splaya
Since I'm a loser and I watched it in slo mo, Edge tapped out before the 3 count. I mean I watched this down to the T...

Even though it will be a no contest, Benoit (by logic and the power of the videotape) should be the rightful Champ

Their you have it you heard from splaya first.Benoit is champ

Joe Kerr 11-29-2004 11:16 PM

*bruises

Savio 11-29-2004 11:19 PM

Benoit got pinned, Edge Tapp but Orton hit HHH with a chair before hand ....Hmmm triple world champs?

Gerard 11-29-2004 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyTB29
Why didn't Orton make it no DQ and ban all Evolotion members.That way Orton can interfere and Batista&Flair can't.


That would make too much sense, and seeing as this is wwe, everyones a tard but hhh so they wont go with it.

ColdwaVer 11-29-2004 11:25 PM

Honestly I think this is all setting up so when Bischoff returns he can be like "see? Without me things went to hell, you don't even know who your champion is now."

Azriel 11-29-2004 11:28 PM

Now, isn't Hebner supposed to be the senior official, so shouldn't his decision be the final one?

God, that diva segment was hot. I don't remember Maria acting like that during the Diva search. I wonder what they'll do with Melina? I'd like to see Jericho try to top that.

Loose Cannon 11-29-2004 11:30 PM

Splaya. stop stealing my "Bowing down to Orton" gimmick.

Yeah, so if the Raw PPV is DEC. (yea, see how much I care about the PPV's. I don't even know which show gets what PPV anymore) then it's a Triple Threat the the Title and HHH gets it back.

Edge looked pretty good holding that belt though

Decent Raw. The Batista thing is awesome

Blue Demon 11-29-2004 11:36 PM

seems like I just missed quite the RAW :-\

Azriel 11-29-2004 11:42 PM

LC, Smackdown has the December PPV with Armageddon

Head 11-29-2004 11:58 PM

What the fuck is up with Benoit's Crossface? I think he's a great wrestler for the most part, but he applies the Crossface absolutly horribly a lot of the time. It's supposed to be a Crossface, not a chokehold, and it looks pretty crappy when he has his legs out almost in front of him.

ColdwaVer 11-29-2004 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trnbuckle
Now, isn't Hebner supposed to be the senior official, so shouldn't his decision be the final one?

Um, I think Hebner is out with an injury still, though of course I'm drunk now so I'm not sure about that.

Head 11-30-2004 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdwaVer
Um, I think Hebner is out with an injury still, though of course I'm drunk now so I'm not sure about that.

Drink some more, cause you're still getting your shit right (I think).

Nervous Ferret 11-30-2004 12:02 AM

Head now has 3,000 posts. YAY! 10 pages is pretty good.
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Corkscrewed 11-30-2004 12:14 AM

I personally think it's a smart idea to end RAW with a cliffhanger. Even if it ends up HHH retains, it's a smart move for this week, since it'll generate more interest next week. Of course, they'll have to figure out how to KEEP it, but we'll see how it goes. If they can spin HHH off onto a main event, non-title feud with Batista, that saves them an angle and addes a match for Wrestlemania, since it'd be HHH vs Batista and then the world title match as well.

Stickman 11-30-2004 12:50 AM

Jericho gets screwed again. Instead of Seeing Jericho Vs HHH next week, we'll probably see a four way or some stupid shit like that in which HHH retains.

Nervous Ferret 11-30-2004 12:53 AM

Stickman has a great point there.
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Heyman 11-30-2004 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed
I personally think it's a smart idea to end RAW with a cliffhanger.

Yep. You don't say. :)

This was a STAPLE in WWE programming during the Attitude Era.

SuperSlim 11-30-2004 07:31 AM

I have to say that after reading this I'm not totally sure as to the ending at all still. And the only real highlight of the show was the return of Vicky :D

Joe Kerr 11-30-2004 09:40 AM

I like how Trish pointed out that Jericho hasnt had a title in a long time.....teasing it maybe?

JT 11-30-2004 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey Radd
I like how Trish pointed out that Jericho hasnt had a title in a long time.....teasing it maybe?

I think it's more around the lines of bad writng because he held a title only 2 months ago.

Joe Kerr 11-30-2004 10:36 AM

Here is the order of elimination for the Battle Royal last night:

Order of elimination:

Viscera
Rhyno
Tyson Tomko
Sylvan Grenier
Maven
The Coach
William Regal
Robert Conway
Rosey
The Hurricane
Eugene
Tajiri
Val Venis
Christian
Ric Flair
Gene Snitsky
Steven Richards
Shelton Benjamin
Chris Jericho
Batista

Savio 11-30-2004 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JT Kool
I think it's more around the lines of bad writng because he held a title only 2 months ago.

I think she was talking about the big title.

RGWhat316 11-30-2004 03:15 PM

RAW was fairly interesting. We finally saw the Maven heel turn, more of a tease in the Evolution breakup, and a cliffhanger ending.

I was at a friends house to watch it, and he's a huge Christian fan. He even bought a little cake and put Happy Birthday Christian on it.

Well, I guess WWE is pulling out some old tricks, to end the show on a cliffhanger, which I don't remember the last time was. But if HHH retains, it would be just like last week, only a week shorter. But they got my attention, because I really don't want to wait a week to find out who the champion is.

Boondock Saint 11-30-2004 03:27 PM

The last cliffhanger I can remember is HHH calling Kane a "murderer". Those were some good times.

Innovator 11-30-2004 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boondock Saint
The last cliffhanger I can remember is HHH calling Kane a "murderer". Those were some good times.

yeah you're right. Now lets never speak of that time again. Ever.

Fox 11-30-2004 11:12 PM

What a great ending to RAW.

Personally, I don't think Triple H is going to be involved in the World Title decision next week, for a few reasons. First, Jericho is the GM. He hates Triple H (storyline wise) and will probably book a World Title match involving himself, Edge, and/or Benoit. Secondly, JR said it himself: "We KNOW we have a NEW World Heavyweight Champion, the question is, who is it?!" Triple H was outside the ring, sitting in the fans when the decision was made. He isn't even in the picture anymore. It's Benoit or it's Edge.

Personally, I think they're going to end up giving it to Benoit and having Jericho vs. Benoit for the World Title on RAW. Edge's character is finally building some momentum and getting over with the crowd. This whole "I keep getting screwed out of the World Title!" thing is kind of working for him, and after what happened last night, he's only going to have even more heat to build off of. What's better than "Not only did you people not vote for me at Taboo Tuesday when I SHOULD have had my first title shot, but I got screwed out of my World Title victory when I pinned Chris Benoit 1-2-3!"

Only good things can come of this angle, and with any luck, none of them will involve Triple H.

However, you've gotta wonder if Vince McMahon is taking heed of Pat Patterson's dying words: "HHH is ruining the WWE." By having both Benoit's and Edge's music played with them holding the belt, it's like he gauging the crowd's reaction to see how they would like someone else at the helm of RAW.

But, let's face facts, this is only going to last 2 months at the most before Triple H is the undisputed World Heavyweight Champion again. It's going to be Randy Orton vs. Triple H at WrestleMania 21, and we all know it.

Boondock Saint 11-30-2004 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Sunday Night
What a great ending to RAW.

Personally, I don't think Triple H is going to be involved in the World Title decision next week, for a few reasons. First, Jericho is the GM. He hates Triple H (storyline wise) and will probably book a World Title match involving himself, Edge, and/or Benoit. Secondly, JR said it himself: "We KNOW we have a NEW World Heavyweight Champion, the question is, who is it?!" Triple H was outside the ring, sitting in the fans when the decision was made. He isn't even in the picture anymore. It's Benoit or it's Edge.

Personally, I think they're going to end up giving it to Benoit and having Jericho vs. Benoit for the World Title on RAW. Edge's character is finally building some momentum and getting over with the crowd. This whole "I keep getting screwed out of the World Title!" thing is kind of working for him, and after what happened last night, he's only going to have even more heat to build off of. What's better than "Not only did you people not vote for me at Taboo Tuesday when I SHOULD have had my first title shot, but I got screwed out of my World Title victory when I pinned Chris Benoit 1-2-3!"

Only good things can come of this angle, and with any luck, none of them will involve Triple H.

However, you've gotta wonder if Vince McMahon is taking heed of Pat Patterson's dying words: "HHH is ruining the WWE." By having both Benoit's and Edge's music played with them holding the belt, it's like he gauging the crowd's reaction to see how they would like someone else at the helm of RAW.

But, let's face facts, this is only going to last 2 months at the most before Triple H is the undisputed World Heavyweight Champion again. It's going to be Randy Orton vs. Triple H at WrestleMania 21, and we all know it.


I surely hope we have a new champion. It does indeed look/sound that way. Plus, having 4 of HHH's enemies running RAW for four weeks and having him always coming out on top in some way would just be ridiculous.

Fignuts 12-01-2004 02:18 AM

I for one thought it was a great ending. Very unexpected. I was expecting them to restart the match and hhave HHH sneak away with the victory. But even though chances are HHH will get the title back through a loophole, you will all tune in anyway, because you don't know for sure.


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