Huh!?

Obviously a lot of what we have said (Avenger, wwe222, Kano and myself) is speculation and rumour and third hand knowledge.

That's what makes a show like Lost so interesting.

Personally I hope they do have a plan for every thread of the story. For the whole mythology, for each character and how it all ties together.

However, there are indicators that perhaps my whole hearted hope is unfounded.

Regardless it's a stupid argument to be having between fans of the show.

Who cares if we think that some of it is made up on the spot. Who cares if you believe it's all written out neatly for each and every character?

Let's just stop the stoopid bickering and enjoy and discuss the actual show!

Peace & Love, my friends, Peace & Love!

i was trying to put the thumbs up icon, but its not working...but thumbs up

Yeah I agree. But I am not the one calling someone an idiot for having an opposing opinion, then being proven wrong by that idiot.

I would probably lose respect, yet consider them extremly lucky if they didn't have a plan/idea/story from the get go since there are going to be some killer revelations, especially the overall 'what is the island' aspect.

christ guys just enjoy the fucking show!

idiot

nahhhhhh jk BTW

Revealing mistakes: When Hurley is making his mad rush for his plane he clearly and visibly runs past a doorway with the word "Kamehameha" visible at the top. Most of the airport footage is apparently shot at the convention center in Oahu. Roberts Hawaii buses are also very noticeable within shots in the background.


How did they miss that?

I don't know, I'm not a crew member.

The post you quoted me on, I'm talking about a possible plot device. IF it is the black smoke monster flying past the engine, even if it isn't they could say it was, it relates to plot/story possibilities. It is very unlikely, while the special effects team are working on and going over each frame for effects that they would forget or put it in for no reason.

The fact that there is a continuity/location error, well I would assume thats a fault down to either the director, script supervisor, and/or location manager. I guess Abrams and Lindelof were in the writing room that day.

My point is mistakes are made in movies and tv all the time, rather than it being a (very) subtle hint at some deeper storyline, it's is more likely a mistake. It's a little like 11/9 conspiracy theories, some people will believe anything.

But I do have the 1st epoisode on dvd so I'll have a look at it frame by frame, and in real time because the images posted here it looks like something more solid that the smoke monster.

But then stranger things have happened on this show.

I hate Kate. Just throwing that out there. :y:

She looks good in her underwear tho'

I get what you are saying, and what I am realising is that it can go both ways, I guess I'm just more inclined to go with it being the monster since LOST has a way of making you think one thing for what seems like an eternity, then BHAM!, its a totally different answer. In this case everyone will suggest that Desmond was responsible for the crash.....but in time BHAM!, its the monster, or whatever/if something controls it.

If I were to criticise my suggestion in relation to your last point, I would say thats its NOT as solid as the smoke monster. Its pure thick black smoke, its only really transparent when it analysed Eko. RIP Eko


Quite hot for Juliet yinno. Shes a babe.

Juliette is a babe...i didnt realize until recently she was the other girl in the lesbian scene with Angelina Jolie in Gia

Was anyone else hoping something of the lesbos ethos was gonna happen when her and Kate were scrapping/covered in mud?

Only seen pics of her in Gia, waaaay hot :yes:

in case you wanted to watch it...

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/140718...beth_mitchell/

HA HA awesome :y:

haught

With regards to the earlier discussion.

I think the writers and producers have a beginning, middle and end to the show, and idea's on what to do with certain key characters at certain times, but I also think they have to think on the fly sometimes as well.

So I fully expect that they had a finish before they started this and knew generally how they were going to get there, they just have to change the path they were on to get to the finish.

Oh and if this end's in peace, I'm going to start cutting people.

*************WARNING SPOILERS**********


this is how it will end (according to Me.com)

The people on the beach will eventually have a massive battle with "the others", taking the fight right up to them and eventually winning. Then the people on the beach willtake over the habitat where the others have been living, Jack will assume the role of leader and will become more like Ben, manipulating his "followers" in the name of medical science. This time a ship will run aground on the island, get destroyed by fire (or that flying thing in the first episode that caused the planes engine to explode), and a whole new group of people will be LOST!

Are you serious? I don't mean that in a pisstake way, I mean it, it that your real theory? Its not half bad, just dunno about the Losties becomming like The Others. I also think there will be a showdown, but at the end of this season.

ONE EYED WILLY LIVES!!!!

Shocker. I figured that fence would do jack diddly. :roll:

I fuckin knew it.

Na not serious, that ws off the top of my head - I was typing it as I was thinking it.

But it doesn't totally suck as an idea....

Honestly, the fact that Jin roundhouse kicks a guy is reason enough to watch this episode.

A couple of genuine "what the fuck?" moments in this one. An ending that will get everyone riled up I think. Also, I think Jin/Sun's flashbacks are the best in the show and once again my opinion was validated tonight.

2 great actors with interesting characters thrown to the background all too often and then they really shine when it's their flashback turn.

Very good ep tonight.

Good episode tonight. Not sure what to expect these last couple of episodes.

Pretty good episode tonight.

Hot pilot. Anybody catch her name in the credits?

YOU GO JIN!

I figured that Sun's dad was Yakuza. Instead he's just a car maker. Funny since Toyota is kicking ass right now.

I also had Sun going back in the lab and catching what Juliet said on the recorder.

And that shit about the plane being found and everyone being dead. I hope they don't go that way. Everybody is in purgatory or something.

Next week: JOHN LOCKE RETURNS!

I think you might've missed that bit about Sun takling to her father and saying that she'll continue to pretend that she doesn't know what he really does. He's a little more than a car company owner.

The producers have stated many times that it's not purgatory. Gotta be a different plotline here. Should be interesting with the handful of eps we have left for the season.

OK two things before I 'get lost' and go to bed, GET IT?!?!

The producers have ruled out that they are in purgatory, which in turn would mean they are not dead. I don't have the link or time on hand but go to the lost page on wiki or Lostpedia.com and there are links to interviews and podcasts that prove all the dicredited theories from the creators.

I seriously think Naomi was sent by Penny.

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff @ the ending. This show is such a mindfuck I love it.

Mikhail being alive is awesome too since I thought he was a cool character.

Jin roundhousing Mikhail. :cool:

I think Locke tells Sawyer that Anthony Cooper (the guy that conned Locke and pushed him out the window/was tied up in the room on the island) is Sawyer's dad. They both hate the guy for what he's done to them so it would make sense.

I really didnt care for tonights episode...

It was cool to see some of the things go down but other than it was pretty boring. I always have found the Sun and Jin flashbacks not that great.

Hot ending. Hot episode. Mikhail :love:

Also new chick is hot. Actresses name is Marsha Thomason.

However, as far as we know Cooper IS NOT Sawyer's dad. In fact the common belief is that Cooper is the original Sawyer. The guy that conned 815 Sawyer's parents and lead to Mr Ford (815 Sawyer's dad) killing his wife (815 Sawyer's mom) before commiting suicide.

Cooper is believed to be the guy that James Ford took his name from. The guy he is tracking down in an attempt to kill him.

that is correct...Sawyer isnt looking for his father...hes looking for the man that tricked his mom into having an affair and giving him money, which led to Sawyer's father killing her and then committing suicide.

You are correct, sir.

Yep. A lot of people get confused about that aswell. Kinda important to clear that up :y:

I think it's bye bye for Locke in the finale.

why'sy?

Spoiler warning, just to be nice.















TV Guide is saying at least 5 people die by seasons end.

Another spoiler, in black text, more for the season finale, and maybe next season as well: The survivors will supposedly be split into 2 groups, one led by Jack, and the other by either Locke or Sawyer.

Yeah but that doesn't exclude the split being on a unified front. Even if it is, it could be part of a plan.

They ain't dead, if the others are as powerful outside the island as we are led to believe, they could of done a cover up with another plane with no survivors.

And I don't really enjoy the Sun/Jin story lines, and I thought that was going to be the end of the flashbacks, but then I realized that cos Jun has told Juliette she cheated on Jin, she could use that in the future, maybe to get Sun to do some research or she'll blab type thing.

So it looks like people are super fertile on the island, so Kate could be pregnant as well.

And I do like the whole is Jack working with the others thing...

Split on a unified front?? What do you mean?

Like the normal Nazi's and the SS

Both have the same goal

DESTROY THE JEWS!

lol.

I mean there is talk of a split, lead by Jack/Sawyer, and the people I talk with on another LOST board, they seem to think that immediately means Jack or Sawyer are split because they have a different idea/plan for survival and go 'their own way'.

But what I am saying it could just be two groups who take on the Others in two different ways, or give the impression to the Others they are no longer a unified big group.

Bermuda Triangle? That's my only theory thus far for all of the supernatural shit happening.

They could bring in the Vile Vortices, Im sure if you do a wiki on VILE VORTICES it will come up with something, but I read that there are like 7 around the world and the Bermuda Triangle is one of them.

LOL

I'm really getting back into Lost again as we reach the season finale.

Don't get me wrong I'm always up early on a Thursday to start the torrent so that I have a nice new episode to watch after work but some of this season has fallen pretty flat.

Went and got the 1st season box set yesterday (only £30!!) so I can rewatch the first season once this one is done with.

TBH I'm thinking past this episiode and towards the one with Ben flashbacks and the finale.

?

He's saying you're a dork.

Granted, I have browsed The Fuselage a few times, but most people on Lost specific boards are teenage girls that call themselves Jaters (Jack + Kate) and Skaters (Sawyer + Kate) and I'm pretty sure Jesus cries every time they type something. I don't know why you would ever sign up and interact with them.

im a laters.... lock and kate..... or a saiock... saieed and lock... cuz im like that

I am familair with those terms, which I saw on the Channel 4 website. I used to go on the Fuselage, but I post on www.losttheories.com which is pretty heavy stuff on philosophy, and what not, not to mention the people there have a good understanding on writing scripts like me, so I like it.

Avanger can suck my lost cock.

lol

ROFL

That's gettin sig'd

lol u gayboys

INTENSE

FUCK man, its 3:30am and I wanna watch it now. Usually they upload it for streaming on the site I go on in the day (Thursday) but I want it now!!!

Anyone got a site it would be up on now? Gonna check Dailymotion.com first.

so basically theyre in hevean/hell/purgatory... sweet

DAMN!

No way! Thats too predictable and I read on wiki that was one of the theories the writers shot-down. NO I don't like it. Theres gotta be a lie or falseness to whoever hinted this, I'm lookin at Naomi, did it come from her the conclusion you have?

I started watching the episode about half way through but wow. I really hope that they aren't in Hell or anything along those lines.

The Hell situation has been hinted at by her and, even more specifically, Locke's father.

And the smoke monster, its always been hinted its the CEREBUS SYSTEM in the latin writing on the blast door map. CEREBUS of course being guradian of hell (the underworld), French lady also called it a 'security system', and that it protects/is guarding something. And the Egyptian symbols that appeared on the countdown timer at the end of season two, they translate as 'The Underworld'.

Fuck I will not like this if they go down the Hell route.

Damn fine episode tonight.

Sawyer/James finally got his bad ass side back again.

Interesting, Locke seems to like the others.

Marsha Thomason can rescue me any day of the week. :love: :drool:

Leave it to Kate to spill the beans. She's getting one step closer to me wishing she gets offed soon.

Is it just me, or did the Black Rock get a makeover when we last visited it?

God, I really, really, really, really hope they aren't doing this purgatory shit.

Next week: "Undercover" Locke proves himself to Ben.

Lockes father basically just flat out said theyre in either purgatory or hell

if by off u mean then have a hardcore sex scene with her where she does everything imaginable then comes through the screen to do it to me then yes.... I agree with u

he didnt know any better...they are not in purgatory or hell!!! the writers are playing on this theory to make people believe that

dont get me wrong... I dont want it to be either but thats a lot of reinforcing hell in terms of the egyptian symbols and the ceribus system and all that stuff.

cause they know people will be like omg god its hell...Lindelof and the other guy have stated numerous times it is not hell or purgatory

This show is heavy on mythology and whatnot.

In a way it's hell. Though not literally, obviously.

correct

also...
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Purgat...nked_theory%29

Yeah I'm just gonna keep the faith, that there is no hell plot gonna happen.

I just remembered back to one of my first theories from season one. I thought with the Black Rock, it being hundreds of years old, the polar bears etc, I had this idea it was an island that was once either a bigger continent and the rest was submerged or an island that could move around the globe collecting artifacts and animals through time and movement. How much it has all changed.

Sadly, I have a feeling that no matter what the end game is, no matter what they decide is the point of the island and the ultimate fate of our Losties, it's either going to be too ridiculous for most people or make them go "... that's it?"

It's all the people that are going to be able to sit down and just watch the whole series without prior knowledge and having to try to stop themselves from looking up spoilers that are truly going to see it in all of its brilliance.

I agree RBM, half of me has faith and total interest in what the ultimate answer will be. But I also think that after all the unanswered questions; the smoke monster, the coincidences of characters meeting and being on the plane the same time, the whispers and everything, the answer will be such a let down.

I still wanna know why, Ben, the leader, with a coma, was in the jungle alone and with all his knowlege of the island managed to get caught by Danielle.

When was Ben in a coma?


Anyways, good episode tonight. Sawyer went bizerk. Juliet's smug little face pisses me off so much. Jack is pissing me off now too. Argh.

No matter what the ending to the show is, there is no way it will live up to expectations so I'm not getting my hopes up.

Ben was never in a coma and there is no evidence to support he didnt get himself caught on purpose. As it seems, he really was coming to at least probably talk to Locke. His actions in the hatch were to manipulate Locke, but who knows why.

also...I think Juliet has told Jack that Kate is pregnant and the others are going to be coming to them. Jack hasnt told anyone yet so the beach doesnt go into a wide panic

This is why Locke gave the recorder to Sawyer. Ben knows Juliet is gonna turn on him soe Either Ben told John to or manipulted John into doing so...once the beach people hear the recorder, they are going to turn against Jack and Juliet

Good episode. Really liked Sawyer Senior's line "Well, it's a little hot for heaven."

Shit's getting interesting. I like the way some characters are kinda splitting away from the main group, like Jack and Locke.

Ben flashbacks next week :love:

They seem to finally be going in more of a direction...and maybe they finally have a definite end date, as I read somewhere (can't remember now) that the writers and producers were asking for a series finally date so they had something to aim for, and could start wrapping it up.

There not going the purgatory/hell route. If anything it's a double (or I guess triple) bluff.

"Fans reckon it's purgatory, we deny it, then we create the impression that we bluffed them and it actually is purgatory, only for that to turn out to be the bluff and it isn't purgatory at all"

Or is that a quadruple bluff?

Anyways, twas a good episode overall but I think next week is where things really start to heat up.

Must agree with the comments above in regards to fans like us that read every bit of detail on the show and essentially ruin our own enjoyment of it.

I'm like it with everything. The whole reason I started downloading season 2 was cos I knew I couldn't wait for C4 to show it over here. But I still read every little spoiler or theory and regret it after.

i think some of it comes from being part of the IWC. You read backstage gossip and rumours and spoilers and it halves your enjoyment yrt you kinda get stuck in it.

Sometimes I wish I could be a mark for everything.

Yeah I dunno why I typed COMA, I meant TUMOUR lol

God guys stop talking about these theories. If you overthink it you will be disappointed and it will most likely be purgatory or hell btw.

I can't help myself.

It won't be purgatory or hell.

I guarantee it!

Haha, guys listen the way you are looking at it is this

"It's not going to be purgatory or hell because they are making that too obvious, they are just trying to throw us off the scent"

That's a perfect mindset to have you guys in. You are 100% certain that it will not be purgatory or hell.

Therefore when they do reveal that it is you will be truly shocked.

If not then I'm genuinely looking forward to hearing how the passengers on Flight 815's bodies were found.

But that's enough of this geekiness. Time to go back to the real world and maybe catch Lost next week :y:

Fixed

But why?! It's a really good TV show that has clearly brought you guys many happy hours. Why be pissed off? They will end it the way they've always planned after all! You people just said last week they have planned a story arc from the beginning.

If they still do not know where they are going with this show then the whole substance of it is ridiculous as the plotlines are going nowhere. What about the giant four-toed statue? Explain how that is relevant?

I digress. At the end of the day this has been a brilliant TV show and just because the possible ending that they have planned from the beginning has been figured out does not give you internet "Losties" any right to be pissed off!

Normal viewers like me will not be pissed off because we do not read the spoilers and conspiracy theories -- so whenever the finale happens we will be very content as the show will have run it's course and we will finally know exactly where they were going with it!

Wouldn't you rather they used the storyline planned from the beginning than change it now and have everything that has happened before mean nothing? All your "clues" and "conspiracies" would be totally without foundation as there was no real reason behind any of them.

If I was a Lost geek it would certainly be purgatory that would make me happy if they had planned it from the beginning. The reason you will hate it and be pissed off is because you have ruined it for yourself. Wise up and get a life. It's just a TV show. You have no right to be pissed off about it!

Well I never said I'd be pissed off.

But people will cos the producers have rubbished the idea.

And I know that of course they would rubbish it rather than admit that the fans had guessed already.

Personally I don't see how they can explain some of the stuff away with the purgatory answer. You bring up the Four Toed Statue. How does that fit in with purgatory? Or I am I missing something here?

BTW I'm not disagreeing with you here. I totally agree that the show has been more than enjoyable and that reading theories and spoilers ruins the overall enjoyment of it.

Ok. Avenger, I vow from now on that I will join you on the "watch it as a normal fan for enjoyment and don't be a geek and look at spoilers etc" boat.

I know I'll enjoy it more.

But then how would I be able to post here cos spoilers and theories are discussed here!?

BTW that wasn't bitchy or sacrastic. I really am gonna stop going on the IMBD message boards and reading all the stuff on the DarkUFO blog. :y:

Good work. Come over to my side. Where TV is there for recreational purposes. Not to make your head hurt or force you to spend more pointless time on the shitty internet.

I dunno. From what they hinted at this week, the bodies were not actually recovered. Naomi said they sent down robots and shit and all the bodies were accounted for.

good point actually

I know they have shot down the whole "they are all dead and in Purgatory or hell" storyline tons of times on the podcast and in interviews....but you know its not like they are gonna come out during the middle of seaon 2 and tell you the biggest shocker of the whole show. That would cause people to stop watching.

My guess is that they have decided to go down that line....perhaps they just didnt know where to go at a certain point and they just said..,"what the hell?"

They are going to be ending Lost after 2 more seasons.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristi...e-b11e4b6a1259