And Hammel got fucked but I dont really care

Pretty decent PPV, I thought Hamill beat Bisping in that fight so I was surprised to see the judges give Bisping the split. Was thorougly impressed with Rampage tonight, and totally thought Hendo would outclass him. Rampage showed some resilience on the ground that I never knew he had, and to keep Hendo on his back is pretty impressive.

Pretty disappointing result for Crocop, now 1-3 in the UFC. Crocop didn't look to impose his will on Kong, he just looked like a guy who was terrified as fuck to get knocked out again. Just shows what happens to a fighter mentally after getting fucking monster KO'd. He probably should've taken more time to prepare before jumping back into the octagon. Not sure where he goes now.

PS Houston is a fucking monster. He's for real.

Almost forgot, AMAZING fight for Marcus Davis tonight, as he was a millisecond from being grounded out after getting rocked, to turn the whole thing around and finish off the guy with an submission. Awesome fight.

Hamill should have been awarded the win.

1) Cro Cop has lost it. I think he needs to either hang it up or take a step back from the UFC and down to a lower level of competition.

2) I thought Hamill won that fight. I was really disappointed with Bisping's performance. True, Hamill had some nice take down and didn't do much else. BUT, Bisping really didn't do much of anything.

3) Houston Alexander is on his way to the title in the light-heavyweight division. Hopefully he does not get lost in the shuffle with all the names coming in from PRIDE. He deserves to be ranked very highly and hopefully his next match is against another high-caliber opponent where he has a chance to earn a title shot.

Lol, yeh my friends and I had the same question. They would say it was being brought to us commercial free, and then cut to commercial. :lol:

They did however have their first on air mention of Brock Lesnar :love:

True dat. Honestly I think he needs to start out in WEC though and get a few more matches in before he takes on anybody in UFC's heavyweight division right now.

I definently agree with that, I'm just excited in general. I was pretty deep in my own wrestling when I got to watch him in JuCo so it's awesome for me to see him go into MMA, which was the same route I took. Kinda brings my being a fan of his full circle for me I guess.

I thought Hammill won live and Bisping looked like shit. On TV, I can see a case for a 29-28 decision either way. Some are calling it a robbery and it definately wasn't. Just a close fight. Bisping needs to lose 20lbs though. 205 is too much for him against the top guys.

I thought Hamill vs Bisping was a split decision. Hamill clearly won the first round, Bisping kinda won the 2nd round imo, but he basically just jabbed and ran, jabbed and ran. Then the 3rd round i though Bisping won, but because his 2nd round was so meh, i thought it should have been a split decision. One things for sure, we know why Bisping isnt being place in fights with the top fighters in his division. He's clearly not ready.

WEC has no heavyweight division.. It focuses more on smaller fighters..

How much does Lesner weigh these days?? Cause it's a 265lbs weight limit in the US..

Brock Lesner? I could imagine him in the UFC

Unless he can't get down to 265lbs..

he can

Has he fought at that weight since like 9th grade??

hes a big guy so its not that hard of a cut. plus if it gets to the point where he is too muscular and needs to lose some of it then he just needs to train differently. All that muscle really just gets in the way and slows you down when you are trying to punch guys anyway.

Yeah but for a guy who has walked around closer to 300lbs than to 250lbs, too lose 30+ pounds is a pretty big deal..

Why is this a rule anyway?? I've seen boxers fight at bigger than 265.. Even MMA fighters before it became sanctioned.. Whats the deal??

i dunno what the deal is but did you just say its easier for a guy walking around at 250 to lose thirty pounds than a 300 guy?

No, I'm saying the if is normal weigh is like 290, then he might lose strength etc losing that weight.. Chuck Liddell would be half the fighter he is if he lost 20 pounds to fight at 185..

I'm pretty sure Brock was at 265 for his last fight

Yeh, I think he will be a better middleweight.

I cant understand how Hamill/Bisbing was anyting other than 30-27 Hamill. MAYBE a 29-28 Hamill if you give him the 3rd. And that's being generous. Whatever.

In the 2nd and 3rd, Hammill pretty much only did 2 takedowns with no follow up attacks. I thought he won but I could see why he lost a decision.

It wasn't a robbery and I can kinda see why Bisping won, I was expecting him to take out Hammill because he kept putting his guard down.

Well, Thw bigger you are, the more water weight you retain. So a 300 lb guy no matter how much fat he has on could prolly lose a real big amount of water weight. Ive personally done 15 lbs in a week before. Now even if you look at him in the WWE he wasnt completely riped. He has it to lose as odd as that sounds.

Also it would probably benefit him to lose some muscle mass if he wants to be able to hang with strikers that have takedown defense. That muscle is great in terms of grappling but It will slow him down while throwing a punch.

Also it would again benefit him to lose some muscle mass because he will be in better shape. All that big muscle he has eats up his oxygen supply and will tire him out a lot if he is in a fight that goes the distance.

Cro Cop looks very very one dimensional

Yeh, he's gotten to where if he can't hit you with a big kick to the face, he can't beat you at anything else.

Nah.. I think its more about him getting KOd a few times and not controlling like he use to..

Was a cool card, I did only pick one fight though. I got the Marcus Davis by submission, almost shit myself though when he took that head kick and dropped. Great job by him though on recovering.

I also felt Hamill won the fight 29-28. I felt he won the first 2 rounds and then had a lack luster 3rd round (although to be fair, they both had a lack luster 3rd round). I was impressed by how he went out and stalked Bisping down and choose to stand with Bisping instead of relying on his wrestling. The biggest thing that showed though is that Bisping will not do well against the top 205 because he is to small for his division. He needs to make a move to middleweight quick. He has been talking about it a lot in recent interviews I have seen of him, so hopefully with this last fight it will be enough to push him to do that.

Quit hating on Mirko. The guy's career isnt "done". He had a bad fight and will continue to have bad fights as long as he stays in the heavyweight division in the UFC. 205 is calling that dudes name. I thought Randy was a small heavyweight at 228, and Mirko only ways 220. Cro Cop just got outclassed by a much bigger and equally experienced kickboxer in Kongo. He would tear ass through the 205lb division.

Rampage looked good, and definetly deserves the undisputed title. He controlled Henderson much better on the ground then I thought he would. Now maybe Henderson will stop trying to fight the bigger and stronger guys and concentrate on giving the UFC's 185 division some backbone.

Yamasaki gave it to Bisping too.

The reason why i would have said draw is because, even though Hamill was taking him down basically whenever. He wasnt doing anything once he got him down. Infact Bisping's guard was rather impressive. He controlled Hamills hands and survived.

The way Bisping acted in the post fight press conferences was just stupid tho. He showed he's a true dick.

True dat. He acted like he dominated that fight and he most certainly did not.

I dunno. I know the guy who asked him the question (Oliver Copp) and he admits he did it to kinda get a reaction out of him. He also said he has spoken to him many times before and gets on well with Bisping. I think Bisping also took advantage of the bigger broadcasters not being there as well as Dana White.

This last UFC show did a 3.1 in the ratings.

I thought it would do better. Seriously.

Brock is finalizing his UFC deal

I was thinking, does anyone see MMA ever becoming an Olympic sport? It only seems logical. Other "combat sports" (using that term loosely) in Boxing and Wrestling are in the Olympics and with its popularity in Japan, Brazil and now state-side it only seems to be the logical progression.

Dunno, just thinking out loud.

With all the media hype leading up to Rampage/Liddell I would've thought UFC'd be doing better..

I think it will eventually, it is a ways out from gaining enough global popularity though.

I think BJJ would be an Olympic sport before MMA.

how often do new sports get put into the olympics though?

Not really on topic but WEC has been great lately.. I just wish they'd interview fighters and whatnot after matches so it'd be easier to "get to know" the fighters..

BJJ would be great at the Olympics.

MMA won't ever be in the Olympics. It's too brutal a sport, for the demographic that market execs want to attract. Sucks, but thats how things are run these days.

The Olympics are fucking crap anyway.

MMA would make big ratings in the Olympics.

WWE should be a sport in the Olympics

Cro Cop don't train hard enough. IF he wants to still be in the sport he needs to make a change. He has got to where he is becaue of his hard kick but he has nothing else. Maybe some loss in a row is good for him to make a change. Or he quits. Either way this Cro Cop is done bein sucessful

I dunno if Cro Cop can fight in a cage. His best attacks were when he cornered guys in the ring and closed down the space and he can't do that in a cage. Also guys have seen what you can do if you can circle to his right side - limit his left kick attacks. His ground game is miles better than Kongo's and he didn't even try and use it his advantage.

lol big audio problems on ultimate fight night here

lol yah. And Quary looks like shit. I get the feeling he's gunna get knocked out soon.

wait wtf just happend.

Loving Chris Lebens fighting style right now. The heel kicks to the back of the thighs and the foot stomps against the fence. Awsome stuff.

ROFL LEBEN. Dude was going down and still throwing punches and he knocked the guy out ROFL.

Matt Hughes will destroy Matt Serra.

Leben and Martin both looked like they were in terrible shape. Leben is always in terrible shape though and looks like hes about to pass out half way through the fight. Gotta give him credit for having that explosiveness at the end though.

I think Hughes is gonna swat Serra like a fly.

I like Thomas and Florian okay. I kinda hope to see Din pick up the win tonight though. I'm curious to see what kind of shape he is in. If he loses tonight, he's probably about done.

lol someone yelled " PUT'EM IN A BODY BAG !!!!"

And Din Thomas gave up literally. That was fucking stupid. He literally just stopped fighting and waited for the ref to stop, then he let him choke him out.

Looks like Din jacked up his knee

Oh, he fucked up his knee shooting in on Florian.

He shouldn't have taunted Kenny Florian and done that little shuffle or whatever back to the middle. All he did was piss him off and thats what he gets.

I think they should've stripped Sherk of the Lightweight title as part of his punishment for the steroids.

Penn vs. Florian for the vacant title would be a good matchup, if Penn will stay a lightweight.

sherk is still appealing the test

And as a Sherk fan, I sincerely hope that he gets his appeal (yes, I realise he hast virtually no chance).

never know... off the point but arlovski said that he is about 50-50 chance he has nog in nov

I'm not sure what there doing with UFC 78, but as of now the only big name attached to the card is Karo Parisyan. I'm not sure what other ME there is in the works, but they moved BJ Penn to the 79 card with Serra vs Hughes. The only thing making sense to me right now is that maybe they'll give Penn the winner of the Fitch vs Sanchez match and give Karo the main event match against GSP. And then the winner of those matches decides who to face the winner of Hughes vs Serra? That would make the most sense to me atleast.

Also i've heard that Nog is getting a title shot against Couture.

Just for the record, are we discussing the Ultimate Fighter series here or elsewhere? Dunno if the other British guys care about the spoilers. I don't give a rats ass personally.

Picks for tonight:

Wellisch vs. Junk
Stephens vs. Saraiva
Omigawa vs. Wiman
Nakamura vs. Machida
Tavares vs. T. Griffin
Fitch vs. Sanchez <--- Fight of the Night
Rua vs. F. Griffin
Liddell vs. Jardine

Honestly I'd prefer we start up another thread for it. Would make the discussion on that easier considering ont op of it we'll have events running too.

Just for a giggle

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I would have kneed him in the bollocks as soon as he stepped to me....then been like "jokes on you"

Is this just a discussion of UFC or should it just be named the MMA Thread so people have a place to talk about non-UFC crap?

Need a forum you fag. Why dont you get on that.

OK I'm gonna do it right now.

Make a Tony Almeida forum too.

WOWWWWW

Griffin beat Shogun badly. Wasnt really even close. I'm kinda stunned and i really dont understand why Shogun was given Griffin as his first fight. Really a bad business move.

I knew fitch would beat sanchez but i would have never dreamed of forrest submitting rua and liddel losing

That PPV was pretty hot

Fitch/Diego was a great mat fight, Diego's scramble is pretty crazy

and why the fuck didn't Chuck do anything about the leg kicks? He was going through the motions out there

Honestly I don't think Forest/Shogun was a bad business move. Dana just solidified his baby (TUF) and probably just locked up millions in advertising for it. Sure, Shogan - a huge name - lost, but he just made Forest and TUF legit.

TUF was already pretty legit though..hopefully Rua isn't another CroCop. Im pissed I missed the ppv though..was it pretty good?

And wtf @ Jardine winning

LOL

I f'n knew Bas set that shit up as soon as I saw him on camera..

:love:

That really was a great PPV and two totally stunning upsets. Griffin finally lived up to his hype in that fight, in my eyes.

I bet money that Liddell will take a sebatical ala Couture and come back in a year or so to dominate..

:wavesad:

:heart: Forrest

Liddell who?

WHYYYY! Chuck! NO! I CANT TAKE IT

WTF are you smoking??

"finally lived up to his hype"??

WTF

He has been the man since first coming onto The Ultimate Fighter.. I mean, fuck, he's only ever lost to Dan Severn, Jeremy Horn, Tito Ortiz, and Keith Jardine.. The only one you could say was an upset is Jardine who beat the most dominant LHW Champion if the past five years last night.. Every fight he's had has been uber entertaining and he's beaten some great fighters..

So explain how he hasn't "lived up to his hype"??

p.s. Joe Roggan was on Ferrell on Howward Stern's channel on Sirius yesterday and a caller asked him about Brock Lesner.. He said they went to dinner recently and said Lesner is a "gorrilla".. He (Rogan) also said Lesner weighs atleast a "solid 290lbs".. But he also said he is close to signing so this brings me back to the question of his weight.. How can he fight in the US at close to 300lbs??

:dunno:

I think he really needs to take a lot of time off to retrain and rethink his fight strategy.

Is that fight with Silva inked in and contracted for December or is it just a proposition still? He really doesn't need to be fighting The Axe Murderer right now. It would be a good comeback fight in a year or so, though.

He's been entertaining, yes. But he has been typically regarded as one of the best fighters in the UFC for A LONG time. And quite frankly, he has been nowhere near the top level of the UFC. He's been one of the most overrated fighters. He's looked bad in victory and in defeat (see the second Griffin/Bonner fight). He looked okay against Tito.

He just hasn't fought anywhere near the hype that he gets from people. BUT, I really believe last night totally changed that. He came out and dominated the "#1 Lightheavyweight" in the world. Dominated. And he definately deserves his praise and to be hailed among the elite now.

I wonder what kind of moniker they'll give Lesnar

I forget he has that sword tattoo on his chest

He did not beat Rampage Jackson..

rampage wasnt #1. Shogun was #1. It wasnt really an argument. Now Rampage is probably #1.

someone like joe rogan talking about lesnar isnt really that good a gauge on solid since he saw him with clothes on and he was probably intimidated. I gaurantee you lesnar isnt shredded right now in terms of physique and even if he was he could easily lose the weight just from water weight.

How was Shogun number one when Dan Henderson was the Pride LHW Champion and the UFC LHW Champion Rampage beat him to unify the titles??

How was he the best when he wasn't the champion of either of the two biggest promotions in the world??

Nope Wanderlei is #1

I've got to say, last night really wrecked the rankings last night. I'd honestly say that I couldn't tell you who the number one contender to Page is now.... I wish they could do a Gran Prix

cuz shogun won the 205 GP by murdering rampage and shogun never got a chance to fight for the title cuz wanderlei was champ and right after dan took the belt, pride shut down.

I can't wait fro Brock. :love: I'd really love to watch and see him evolve.