This list is awful. Can we get Juan to close this when he wakes up and after he sells his oranges

that is usually how 99% of the threads turn out

84. Lance Storm

If I could be serious for a moment I’d like to introduce number 84 from Calgary, (dramatic pause) Alberta, Canada. I’d like to move on from shit storm to Lance Storm. Lance is one of the most technically sound wrestlers of all time as well as being a sound high flyer. Being a technically sound high flyer is kind of an oxymoron in this day and age but Lance did it. Everything he did inside the ring was so precise and pitch perfect that it was like watching a wrestling clinic every time he stepped in the ring.

What is always forgotten when it comes to Lance Storm is that he was actually pretty good on the mic along with being good in the ring. His promos and segments in the sour days of WCW were among my favorites, and the reason I would tune in week after week to Nitro. What was so great about Lance Storm’s promo style was it went along with his in ring style. His in ring style was technical and his promo style was technical as well speaking monotone and serious. He was a complete character which is something a lot of wrestlers can learn from.

It is a real shame that this guy never became more than he was, because he certainly had the goods. The WWE didn’t do him any favors by having Austin yell “Boring” at him from a top the ramp. That might have been able to work if Lance could have wrestled a program with Austin, but with Austin retired from in-ring competition it was just a way to bury a very good wrestler. Lance Storm has never been boring as a professional wrestler. Though I disagree with some of his statements he makes now that he’s retired he still shows an interest in the products but more importantly his fellow wrestler’s safety with is commendable.

Favorite Moment:
When Lance Storm won and redubbed the WCW Hardcore Championship the Saskatachewan Hardcore International Title.

Favorite Match:
Bryan Danielson [c] v. Lance Storm (for the ROH World Championship, ROH Better Than Our Best)

I'm going to continue the thread...

But I'm also not going to beg anyone to keep it going for me (nor have I contacted any mods about deleting pictures or begging to keep this open.)

If this thread is so offensive or upsetting that you need to shut it down so be it.

I'm just going to keep on going. When those of you that have something intelligent to say or ask I'll respond, otherwise I'm just going to do my thing and allow you to do you thing.

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83. Bruno Sammartino

Hold the WWWF World Heavyweight Championship for 4,040 days and what do you get? Number 83 on my list of favorite wrestlers of all time. I like Bruno Sammartino the same way that I liked Lou Gerig and Joe DiMaggio as baseball players. I wasn’t born at the right time to see those guys play and I was too young to see Bruno’s prime, or really even see the end of his career, but from what I’ve seen of those men I really like.

The reason I like Bruno Sammartino is because my grandfather love Bruno. I grew up hearing stories of Bruno Sammartio, and he always remined my grandfather’s favorite wrestler of all time (interestingly enough #2 was John Cena). My grandfather was in the building when Bruno’s 7+ year title reign came to an end in Madison Square Garden. You hear enough of these tall tales as a kid and you can’t help but become a fan.

From what I’ve seen of Bruno he was a pretty good wrestler. He had the whole baby face thing down pat. He wasn’t crazy with intensity like Hogan or Cena he was just a humble guy that came to the ring with his manager (and as my grandfather always noted the manager would always go to the back) he was humble and he was the best in the world. By today’s standards he was pretty bland, but its tough for me to look at it objectively, I tie Bruno in with my grandfather and I can’t help but like the guy.

Favorite Moment:
Bruno Sammartino defeating Larry Zbyszko at Shea Stadium.

Favorite Match:
Bruno Sammartino [c] v. Ivan Koloff (Cage Match for the WWWF Heavyweight Championship, WWWF on MSG Network 12/15/1975)

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I will only close thread if I win King of the Wrestling Forum. Outside of that, this thread will remain open.

Now I feel conflicted voting for you the past two rounds.

Shhhhhhh. I have no real intention of doing it. I'm just trying to milk votes. Don't tell anyone, it's a secret.


























Secret

The list will have ended by the time the king of the forum thing is over. Don't vote for WWKD in future unless he closes this thread, I say!

82. Rey Mysterio

When coming up with this list I thought long and hard about the wrestlers I wanted to include on my list. Many times I would have to think back about wrestlers beyond their current incarnations and look at the entirety of their work. Rey Mysterio is one of those guys that I had to think back. I had to take myself beyond the guy he is now and think of how I felt about him as a wrestler when I first saw him on WCW television. When I looked back I realized how much I used to love Rey.

When Rey Mysterio came on to television I never saw anything quite like him. He was something totally brand new to me as a wrestling fan. I couldn’t help but become a fan of his high flying style. His matches against Dean Malenko and Juvi were among the best reasons to watch Nitro back during 1995 and 1996. I remember one of this biggest disappointments with the merger of WWE and WCW was the fact that Rey didn’t come over to WWE television.

When he did make it back onto television and finally onto WWE television I was very excited to see Rey Rey back (though I was confused as to why he put his mask back on at the time.) Since his time in the WWE he’s been a bit of an anomaly, some times he can be great other times he is very boring. And it breaks down like this: When Rey wrestles average size wrestlers (Jericho, Punk, Guerreo or Angle) he puts on great matches when he wrestles against big guys (JBL, Big Show, Kane or Undertaker) he’s not entertaining and doesn’t look credible. Rey is still one of the best in the ring today however and every once and awhile shows flashes of his former brilliance.

Favorite Moment:
When Rey Mysterio won his first ever WWE Cruiserweight Championship it was probably the only time that particular championship ever changed hands with notoriety and emotion. It was a great moment.

Favorite Match:
Eddie Guerrero v. Rey Mysterio (Ladder Match for the Custody of Dominick, WWE Summer Slam 2005)

Am I likely to feature on the list any time soon? Or will I be nearer the top?

there is no way in hell i will read this many words.

Lame. I think this is the worst list in the history of lists. Maybe I'll make a list of the top 10 worst lists in the rasslin forum.

I like what you're doing here TSO. A very big endeavour. Some odd choices but I like reading your reasoning.

One suggestion though. Would it be possible to find YouTube videos of the Best Moments/Matches that you pick? Where possible of course.

Also, ignore the jackoffs that are trying to derail the thread. You'd think they could just ignore this and go post in one of the other 100s of threads.

I guess if this is "shit", that makes them the flies around the "shit".

Just tell me this - is Alex Wright going to be on this list?

I've been here long enough to know the deal XL, I don't sweat the small stuff.

Thanks for your words, you are one of the good ones XL, but everyone is entitled to their opinions. I have no problem being called retarded or stupid.

As for the YouTube thing I may sporatically sprinkle in some of my favorite moments after I've listed the wrestlers.

81. Kane

Through hellfire and brimstone comes the number 81 on my list. Kane ranks among one of the best big men in the history of the business as well as one of its greatest characters. He toiled though some dead end gimmicks such as Dr. Isaac Yankem DDS and Fake Diesel, before he hit the lottery with being the tortured soul of The Undertaker’s brother. But, the WWE just opened the door for Glen Jacobs and Kane kicked that door down. In a industry filled with egos and people trying to stab one another in the back to get to the top Kane was simply a loyal soldier that delivered where asked.

No other wrestler in the WWE has been in some of the greatest and most terrible feuds in equal measure. This all goes to show what a true work horse he has been to the industry. Kane has always had the something that very few wrestlers (especially today) have, he uses his mannerisms to enhance his promos or matches. When he had the mask on he would give a little tilt of his head and it would speak volumes. With the mask off he’d begin to laugh in the ring showing his maniacal nature. It’s the little things that count.

Aside from character Kane is also a very accomplished as an actual wrestler. He came about at a time where most (not all) big men stayed flat on their feet and clubbed their opponents with forearms. Kane would climb to the top rope and jump off with a clothesline. His athleticism wasn’t the only thing that set him apart it was also his psychology, he always knew what he should do in the ring and to what degree. And for a guy that didn’t talk for several years of into his WWE career he had remarkable good mic skills when the mask came off.

Favorite Moment:
My favorite moment of Kane was ‘the’ moment for Kane. During one of the greatest matches of all time (the very first Hell in a Cell) Kane, after months of hype, strolls down to the ring with Paul Barer in tow and rips the door of the cell. He comes in and stares down his big brother only to deliver a tombstone pile driver.

Favorite Match:
Triple H [c] v. Booker T v. Chris Jericho v. Kane v. Rob Van Dam v. Shawn Michaels (Elimination Chamber Match for the World Heavyweight Championship, WWE Survivor Series 2002)

80. Scott Hall

If it weren’t for the complete wreck his life turned out to be perhaps Scott Hall would have ranked much higher on this list. As it stands being number 80 is not too shabby. Scott Hall come along at the most opportune time for me. He debuted in the WWE just when I began to enjoy watching heels and came to like heels. Scott Hall was the first of the ‘cool heels’ breed. His being a cool heel wasn’t just because he called himself “Da Bad Guy” but because of his swagger.

I defy anyone that grew up watching Razor Ramon to have a toothpick in your mouth and not flick it away when you’re done. I chew on tooth picks all the time and I’ll always flick it away like I’m Da Bad Guy. Being Da Bad Guy is good as well as having swagger and flicking toothpicks but the thing that really makes him great was his tremendous ability inside that ring. His ladder matches again Shawn Michaels are legendary and his matches against Jeff Jarrett are some of the most under appreciated matches ever.

I couldn’t do a write up of Scott Hall without it being survey time. Hey yo. Who read this write up to hear about Dubbya Dubbya Eff? And home many of you read this to read about the N – W – O?! Kevin Nash and Hulk Hogan may have been the members of the original incarnation of the nWo but Scott Hall was ‘the’ original Outsider. And because of that it should be recognized that he was one of the men that revolutionized the business. And that is very cool for a heel. Survey says! One more for Da Bad Guy!

Favorite Moment:
There is really only one moment that could qualify as being Scott Hall’s greatest moment of all time and it is also my favorite moment. When Scott Hall jumped the guardrail at Monday Nitro and began the invasion of the New World Order.

Favorite Match:
Shawn Michaels [c] v. Razor Ramon (Ladder Match for the WWF Intercontinental Championship, WWF Summer Slam 1995)

I'm all for personal expression/opinions.

But this makes me want to punch infants.

78. Scott Steiner
79. Rick Steiner

This is the second time (and probably the last) that I have lumped two wrestlers together. Why lump together Rick and Scott, because they are my second favorite tag team of all time (my favorite tag team of all time consists of #1 and #24 so if you’re paying attention you can make a guess.) As I states earlier on this list when talking about Steve Williams the Steiner Brothers were my favorite tag team when I was real young. The only reason these two are so low is because when these two are separate they’re not so good.

I put Scott Steiner above his brother Rick because Scott was always my favorite and I used to think the Frankensteiner was just about the coolest move in wrestling. Also, it is fairly obvious that Scottie Steiner had a much more impressive singles run. When Rick was arguing with Chuckie (of Child’s Play fame,) Scott Steiner was main eventing. Big Poppa Pump was a very entertaining character even if Scott was too pumped up to be an effective wrestler. His mic skills were improved even if you couldn’t air it cable television.

But you can’t separate The Steiner Brothers as a tag team they were just so good. If the Road Warriors revolutionized tag team wrestling, than The Steiner Brothers enhanced their revolutionary start. The Road Warrirors were the first real big jacked up kick ass tag team in wrestling. The Steiners were the same but they had something the Road Warriors didn’t, they could mat wrestle and put on proper wrestling matches rather than just clubbing their opponents into submission. The Steiner Brothers rank here off the strength of their skill but even more so of the nostalgia or a young child that was getting into wrestling.

The first wrestling show that I saw on television live was a tag team tournament that saw tag teams from around the world wrestle for a World Trophy if they were to win the tournament. The winner of that tournament was The Steiner Brothers, so you could say that The Steiner Brothers were the first team I ever marked for. When other friends were saying their favorite wrestlers were Hulk Hogan or The Ultimate Warrior, my favorites were Rick Steiner and Scott Steiner. When I said that I got a lot of quizzical looks and people saying “Who?” The answer they’re number 78 and 79.

Favorite Moment:
The Steiner Brothers winning that afformentioned tournament, mainly because it got me into wrestling. Yes if you want to link it all the way back to why I’m a wrestling fan, that’s where it started. So if you want to play ‘Terminator” you’ll have to go back before that night to kill me so you don’t have to read this list. Or you could just not read this list. Your choice.

Favorite Match:
Flyin’ Brian, The Steiner Brothers, & Sting v. The Four Horsemen & Larry Zbyszko (War Games Match, WCW WrestleWar 1991)

I think the only thing more interesting than the choices on the list itself is just how much it's pissing everyone off.

I expected some blast back but the vitriol in this thread has surprised me to be honest.

I understand how you lumped the Briscoe Bros. together, but to lump the the Steiners together is like lumping Emeralds and Talc together; they are both minerals, but one is fucking worthless.

Ugh, and I don't have so much a problem with your selection of wrestlers as I do with your favorite matches of theirs...

Like Elimination Chamber for Kane instead of countless classic '98 matches...

Like the custody of Dominic match (which was a complete botchfest) for Rey...

And then all of these ROH matches that were SOOOO GOOD that they drew 800 people...

Its your opinion but it just infuriates me. Sorry.

RUNNING OUT OF TOP WRESTLER'S SOON, YOU SHOW-OFF!

Not sure why I typed that in all caps actually.

77. John Bradshaw Layfield

I was never really a big fan of the Acolytes or the APA but I did always like Ron Simmons, so when the APA split up due to the roster split in 2002 I thought Ron Simmons would benefit the most. I was shocked then when I began to like Bradshaw and what he had to offer. He was going for the WWF Hardcore Championship and I saw something in him. I actually even remember starting a thread say that Bradshaw should get a push. He was just a big rough and tumble Texan and I thought he could make a decent high mid carder—I was wrong.

Two years later John Bradshaw Layfield was the WWE Heavyweight Champion. His reign was a revelation. I was someone who wanted and hoped for a push for him, but I never ever expected that he would become the WWE Heavyweight Champion and I certainly didn’t think he would be as entertaining as he turned out to be. His gimmick, similarly, was a revelation. It was the first time in years that a guy in the WWE had a real honest to goodness gimmick (that spring and summer of 2004 was kind or a revival of the gimmick.) He was part Blackjack (which he actually was earlier in his WWE run) and part Million Dollar Man.

The real greatness of JBL were his amazing mic skills. It was insane to think that a guy so great on the mic was basically held in the background of the company for 7 years. He was equal parts badass and coward; equal parts funny and serious. He was able to keep a 10 month title reign interesting from beginning to end just by the sheer power of his character. His matches weren’t exactly what you’d call great but they always progress the story along, and he understood that as a heel it was his goal to be despised and than ridiculed and he always delivered those two.

Favorite Moment:
The promo in which JBL was drugged and he came to the ring and wrestled an inflatable dinosaur. It was so funny and even now bringing it up I’m sure I’ll have to check YouTube to relive it all over again.

Favorite Match:
Team RAW v. Team SmackDown (Servivor Series Elimination Match, WWE Survivor Series 2005)

I think you meant #1

I'm thinking I can name 200 better than him.....

That would be entirely dependent on what your definition of "better" in the scope of wrestling is. In certain uses of the term "better" (ie ability to draw) than I could name 200 "better" wrestlers as well. If you're talking "better" in the sense of in-ring ability than no I cannot name 200 "better." If you're talking in terms of mic skills than yes I can come up with 200 wrestlers "better" than Homicide. But, this list isn't about who is "better" or "the best" or even "good" in an objective sense. This is a list entirely determined by my subjective opinion on who I like better. Its a popularity contest.

Do you have to continue reading my thread? By no means.

Do I mind if you come in here and talk about how your opinions differs from my own? Not at all, I actually prefer people coming in and stating their opinions.

Do I mind if you come in here and call this "the worst list ever" or if you call me a "retard?" I'll admit its a little disconcerting that people are questioning my intelligence or my judgment based on what I like and dislike, but in no way do I want to surpress you doing just that.

I've been busy as of late I haven't had time to up date this as much as I would hope. Hopefully after I'm done grading papers I can get back into posting 5 wrestlers a day or something.

Alright, carry on.

lol ofcourse you don't. ;):cool:

Now, I don't know if I miswrote or if you think I don't want other people's opinions or if you're just kidding around.