There's no doubt--also--that Logan was very much involved in his children's upbringing. He was very present in some of the worst ways and not present in ways he was most needed. Again, the show doesn't necessarily hit you over the head with it--we don't get flashbacks, only allusions to the past. He was clearly "around," but more as a looming presence like we see in the opening credits.

And, in the areas where Logan was needed (and he didn't show up), Connor was there, stepping up. Was he appreciated? No. Did it mean anything to his siblings? It doesn't seem like it. But he definitely would've been a better father figure to those kids than Logan. That rings true regardless of how big of a dumbass he is.

Also what I said wasn't meant to stir up an argument lol. It just seemed the writers wanted to convey Connor as a low-key father figure based on some clues as the show kept going, such as some of the references to their upbringing. That's all. And, with a show like this, there's no concrete right or wrong. There is simply your interpretation.

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Finale isnt fresh in my mind but i will say i felt Shiv's betrayal was just a liiiiiitle unearned. Great show, great ending. Just wish there'd been a bit more leg work on getting then opposed to going for a "twist."

Unearned? The fuck? You’ve watched the whole show, Destor. That wasn’t a twist for twist’s sake. It was ALWAYS there. Think about how she was treated when Logan died. Marginalized immediately, then was in league with Mattson. Like the allegiance the three of them formed was clearly on shaky ground and she saw Kendall with his feet on the desk and acting like the world’s biggest douche cronying up to Stew-pot (then his shitty performance before the vote) and was like “fuck this guy.” What are they supposed to do, Dessy, have Kendall punch her in her pregnant belly and only then have the betrayal? The best part of the show is that it lets you figure it out, treating the viewer like they’re intelligent. Shiv betraying Kendall is deep in the DNA of the show.

Everything you said wouldve been valid had the penultimate episode not occured. They resolved all their conflict, and had a genuinely great moment as a family, and then arbitrarily reneged on it. Thats what was unearned. They concocted a plan, plan went according to plan, and then abandoned the plan for the sake of abandoning the plan.


Now obviously the penultimate episode (409?) Only existed to create the "shocking twist" and its in that that it felt lazy and unearned. Its the same methodology Damon Lindleloff loves so much and it rarely feels good as a viewer. You didnt trick the audience the betrayed your characters and when the chracters are written so well as they are here it stings all the more.


Its not the conclusion thats the issue or the betrayal. Its the misdirection before it. The hard pivots in both directions are at odds in a thousand different ways none of which are organic.

The ending wouldve been better served with leaving the tension between the 3 and having them enter the board room with the tension at peak and letting the drama of the vote be the climax

Shiv turning on the very idea of Kendall being the “one” is big picture shit and it worked brilliantly. That fight in the glass walled office was incredible, a truly gobsmacking scene.

Don’t make me mention Shakespeare again