Wait, so when you throw a punch you don't mean to hurt someone?

(Yash, LB was talking about this on WAAF yesterday).

Everytime you put someone into the boards the goal isn't to say hello, it's to hurt them, cross checks, fights, etc... the goal is always to cause damage, so to invovle the cops on one case, means to involve them on every case.

Then would be football, when a WR goes accross the middle and Rodney Harrison puts a legal hit on them, the goal is to cause pain, so the guy doesn't want to go across the middle again.

Considering other players have sucker punched other players before this incident I believe that the way some of you guys are going on is ridiculous. Same as the American media. All these "experts" weighing in their opinion. Shut up already, hockey has inherint risks, and by stepping on the ice you acknowledge that. No one expects to have their neck broke, but this happening isn't simply Bertuzzi's fault. The entire NHL and NHLPA bear some of the blame for letting the sport get to this level and only now crying foul when someone is hurt so badly.

I still don't see how you go from a hard hitting game that alows fighting to cheap dirty shots...

Anyway, the league has suspended him for the season and playoffs and will review it next season, as to if/when he is reinstated.

Yeah just read that he's suspended for season and playoffs.

They also fined the canucks 250,000 dollars.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Canucks trade Bertuzzi at the end of the season (assuming that Bertuzzi becomes available to play next season).

Canucks can get another solid D-Man and some other sh</>it.

Yeah I agree.

Official word out of ESPN is that he is suspended for the remainder of the season and the playoffs and then must apply for reinstatement next year in August or September and the league will decide then. If they do not think he is ready to be back then he will be suspended indefinitely. As was stated before the Canucks have also been fined 250,000 dollars


I totally agree with the length and reinstatement parts of the suspension. The NHL did this in a timely manner and did not give itself a black eye and sure as hell proved it is not a joke. They will be a joke though when they lockout next year but that's another story for another time.

my only concern is the word is, his reinstatement depends on the condition of moore, and I don't think the penalty should be on the "Result" but the action... What if he did the same thing but the guy walked away?

It's kinda like (not sure if the NHL still does it) the penalty would increase if you drew blood and you'd see players picking at their lip to get blood.

So ur telling me he picked at his face until he drew blood while coming down?

lol @ Morcheeba comparing this to Tucker on Peca, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

That suspension is fair I'd say. I'm just surprised that the NHL had the guts to go through with it. Rating are awful and the Bertuzzi thing did give them some press, and any publicity is good press. If they had let him play in the post season it could have given the games some attention, especially if it was against the Avs.

Good thing he's gone, nice to see they're finally taking this shit seriously.

Only a douchebag like Vince McMahon would think about 'ratings' and 'publicity' as opposed to sticking by 'what's right'.

Um, yeah. That's part of what I said, that you disagreed with.

Let me reiterate, this isn’t the first time someone's been sucker punched, or hit with a stick, or whatever...

A cheap shot is a cheap shot, not the NHL's fault that some people are chicken shits.

A cheap shot is one thing, a cheap shot that breaks someones neck is something else.

You can compare an elbow to the gut while scrumming at the boards the same type of thing as full out punching someone int he back of the head and then falling on them.

Last season I didn't watch much hockey at all, except when the Wild beat the 'nucks in the playoffs. Then, I saw Bertuzzi beat the living shit out of everyone who came near him. And when I came on message boards, I saw people doing the :love: Bertuzzi :love: thing.

Had Moore not had his head bent down (:wtf: ) the way he did, Bertuzzi would have likely just gotten a penalty, or a short suspension. Moore tried to break his fall with his face... I'm not saying it's his fault, but knowing how to fall is usually the difference between a broken nose, and a broken neck. It's a major rule in sport.

I haven't read the thread, sorry, but I've glanced and seen people say this in other words... I think Bertuzzi did what was in his power, and that's to abuse another player. To be fair and consistent, to prevent anything like this from happening again, all cheap shots should result in an extended suspension.

Just think about it -- this was in retaliation to Moore's hit on what's his name. Had he been suspended for that hit, he wouldn't have broken his neck.

Don't bitch at me for saying that, I don't think it's right, even though it is true. But honestly, you have to draw a line. It's like legalizing drunk driving, unless you get into an accident and hurt somebody, then it's illegal. :nono:

Good points made by AlphaBean. As the time passes since the incident, I am beginning to see it more clearly, and I am sure that if Moore wasn't severely injured Bertuzzi would only have gotton a few games. Inconsistancy.

LMAO... no, was giving examples of how th NHL rules.

They seem to rule more on the result then the intent.

IE: stick you to the jaw it's a penalty, I stick you to the jaw and draw blood it'se worse.

Can't blame the NHL. There are rules, he broke them.

Figting and hitting has always been part of the NHL, (ok, brief time in the mid 90's they tried getting rid of it).

But there is a difference between hard hitting and fighting and cheap shots.

There are a lot of people like Vince McMahon in the television industry.

Plus the world does revolve around money, something that the NHL needs

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i'm sure the media outrage had a large part to play in the suspension, the league doesn't want to look bad and by leaving it open-ended they can prety much please everyone by saying it could be longer. laying that fine on the team is ridiculous, especially when you consider that hitchcock himself came out and said that "havlat will eat his lunch" and of course the resulting brawl the following game. seems like the league just makes up stuff as they go along, they don't have any concrete guidelines to go by just whatever prescedent was set previously and going by that it should've been 12 games. players have had careers ended by cheap shots that reulted in less of a suspension but of course the nhl is just worried about what sensationalist media types are saying, so they make an example out of somebody in order to suck up to them. oh well they've set a new prescedent so they better stick by it but we all know that's not gonna happen.

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Are you implying Bertuzzi meant to break his neck?

You don't compare this to the McSorley incident? if not, why? because of the stick?

Heck, most people say in the McSorley case he was swinging the stick at his shoulder not his head...

I think thats what they looked at for guidelines... but, the NHL making it up as they go, wouldn't be to far off either.

OK, glad to see you "see this". This is the part that I'm maddest about.

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vel i compare it most to the matt johnson incident because that was a sucker punch from behind which caused a player to hit his head on the ice. i beleive that player had to retire as a result (forget his name at the moment though) and i think that was a twelve game suspension. what mcsorely did was a stick swinging incident which is less similiar. if the league decides they all of a sudden want to crack down then they need to let the players know that such and such an infraction will result in x number of games missed rather then waiting for something to happen and then guesing on a number.
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Beukeboom

The biggest problem I have with the situation is that after the Naslund hit, fans in Vancouver were screaming for Moore's blood. After the first game back, there was so much pressure on call-in shows and on the street sentiment that the Canucks let it go. This put so much pressure on media to keep it in the face of the team. Unfortunately, we got what we asked for, In Spades. Then the fans turned on Bertuzzi and wanted to run him out of town. I don't think the fans of Vancouver can look at this guilt free, and try to take the high road. Bertuzzi, the team and the fans were all culpable and the punishment the league sent down is probably just for all parties.

Good point da king :D

And the player's name is Jeff Beukeboom...

Moore did not try to break his fall, as you could plainly see his whole body went limp.

Hasn't Naslund gone on record a few times that it was a clean hit?

That he (Naslund) was off balance, but it was a clean hit?

(I never saw it, but everything I've heard it was clean).

Naslund did say the hit was clean. Granted it was opportunistic, but it was a clean hockey hit. Naslund took much of the blame himself for putting himself in a vunerable situation. All I can say is, he's a classy player.

Yeah, I heard that the hit wasn't even that bad. Also Naslund > Bertuzzi

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being in this market i can tell you without a doubt that naslund really is a classy guy. his interviews are usually pretty good without all the cliche's that a lot of athletes tend to spew out and he comes across as really genuine and honest in his comments. also regarding whether the hit on naslund was clean or not, it doesn't matter in the eyes of team mates, they want to send the mesage that their star player is off limits and maybe scare people into not hitting him as hard the next time around.


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Cam Neely went out of his way to say the hit from Ulf was clean....

Yeah the hit on naslund was clean

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yeah they did send the right mesage and i suppose it is hard for me to be truley objective. it just seems that they wait for something to happen before sending a mesage instead being proactive in preventing such matters as well as being inconsistent with their punishments.


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