Translation please..:wtf:

I tells you over there that a ecw champion jackie acting likes a tiny kid.

KK, you cannot play victim to condescension. You just cannot do it.

Also, you are just wrong about Christian being on ECW. It is a very, very good move, for all concerned. Putting Christian on SmackDown! as a heel is a perfect way to completely cut any return momentum he had out from under him.

It makes no sense to put Christian in ECW. Why bring Christian back to SmackDown? A match with Edge would’ve elevated him better than Christian vs. Jack Swagger.

Yes, but you're not getting it Rated R Classic. Vince is not going to do that with Wrestlemania right around the corner. Christian being on Smackdown would only complicate stuff going into mania and eventually he'd get lossed in the smackdown shuffle and have mid to low card fueds. On ECW he'll be in the main event assumingly always. When he's ready and established as a threat in WWE then they'll bring him back up.

I'd like to say that Jack Swagger vs. Christian was a good match, and that Swagger played his role well. Christian also looked good competing as a face in a WWE ring. I'm thinking we may see Christian do a commentary spot or even play special guest referee at No Way Out.

Edge is WWE Champion. Triple H is being set-up as his WrestleMania opponent. It makes no sense to randomly insert Christian in there. That's like me asking Rob Van Dam return and be given the World Heavyweight Title spot over Randy Orton.

Before he left, Christian was an upper mid-carder. Should he have been pushed? Yes, but he left before that could happen. Resuming from where he left off, Christian would be in line for a match with Umaga on SmackDown!, at best. I'd much rather see Christian win the ECW Championship than just beat Umaga, to be honest.

Wow, what a disappointment. Another case of great booking in the WWE.

I agree.

I'm fine with the current situation, I'm curious to see where Christian will stand after WM25.

All this anticipation and they put him out there on ECW? With Jack Swanker? WHY?

Read the thread you jackass and then maybe you'll get some enlightenment.

This shit is classic. People acted the same way about Jericho last year. Sure, he got a big debut, but everyone complained about his return for a while. Then he went on to have the best fued in ages and win the title, and suddenly nobody said he was sabotaged anymore. Probably because it didn't happen to begin with and everyone flips out over nothing.

So he didn't debut and get thrust into what everyone fantasy booked. Big deal. It's obvious that the Matt vs Jeff storyline is bound for Mania, and Edge hasn't and will not be involved.
He'll likely be defending the title in the main event, against HHH. This gives Christian ZERO involvement in the storyline at this point. There's nothing to do with him on Raw, since he wouldn't be there for long anyhow.

So, there is absolutely no reason that Christian won't be involved in a Hardys and Edge storyline AFTER Mania. It will probably happen. They need Edge for other things, and they realize a Matt v Jeff match is a draw in it's own right. Why rush all four parties into a payoff match when there are other options available first?
Have some patience.

Christian will be fine, and he'll be involved in some capacity with those guys down the line. At this point, given their current plans with Matt Jeff and Edge, they could have either a) waited until after Wrestlemania to debut him or b) taken the current course of action and gotten him involved in wrestlemania, while giving him some warmup.

I'll take b.

I'm actually excited with the swerve. It's nice to see things not go according to an expected formula. I was happy with the swerve when Matt attacked Jeff, and I'm happy now.
Keep in mind, Matt wasn't behind the attacks. That's still yet to be determined.

Another thing. They probably realize Christian will be cheered for a while at first. Add that into the pile of reasons from the other post as to why they probably went this route.


I would MUCH rather see Christian vs ____ for the ECW title, Edge vs HHH, and Matt vs Jeff at Mania...and then see an Edge/Christian/Jeff/Matt fued slowly booked over the summer.
Perhaps Christian will win the ECW strap and it will become a 2 title affair? Perhaps he'll just be booked as a strong singles star and none of that fantasy fued will happen for months?
Who knows? That's the way I like it. I like storylines being suprising and unpredictable. As long as they're good, and everyone handled well. So far, it's all good to me.

Also, I will be watching ECW every week now.

Well it made me watch ECW for the first time in over a year, and anyway no matter what Christian does or how well he gets over i just cant see him ever getting the WHC or the WWE belt
its a sad state of affairs :nono:

More people watch ECW than TNA, so even if they "misuse him" by putting him on ECW, he'll still be being paid more money to wrestle in front of larger audiences and with more success.
Also, he'll be a top name and champion on ECW. More than he could say over in TNA (other than his first few months)

But I'm pretty much sure he'll be elevated after Mania, or at some point down the line unless he's some kind of lockeroom diva.

Its really a case of Vince listening to rumors, realized everyone knew what was up, and did a total and compleat 11th hour replacement. No matter what we think, Vince reads the dirt sheets and probably has trolls on message boards. He might not cater to internet smarks, but he sure enjoys pissing us off.

Matt Hardy is on Smackdown, Jabba.

I think we have to keep in mind the perspective of things. Christian's a big fish to us. He's one of our favorites so we want him to get a huge return. But the fact of the matter is, he was uppermidcard in WWE and he was never a huge name. He was solid and a star, but he was never WWE champ and he isn't impacting the main event.

It's a bit unfair to expect him to be interrupting PPV main events, as if he's a top name returning after 3 years. He got a return similar to Jeff Hardy in 06. I think it's a fair shake. Watching it, it seemed fair enough. He's taking Matt Hardy's place on ECW for now, and that's about right.
They're viewing things from a mark standpoint, not a smark standpoint. This is WWE version of Christian returning after 3 years. It's not "fresh out of TNA" Christian. When you step back and judge things fairly, it's a good spot.

They're also not going to hype him into something he hasn't been as of yet in WWE, just because he was for a stint in the small pond of TNA.
And that's not an attempt to bury TNA, it's an attempt to keep their product consistent. Christian was a huge deal in TNA before Angle and Foley showed up. That was because he was the top name in a very shallow pool of stardom.
WWE can't just honor him as a main eventer for his accomplishments there, when he was never that level in WWE.

By that standard, a returning Jeff Jarret would get a giant PPV return from WWE, or a first-time appearance of AJ Styles would be treated like the return of Jericho. WWE has to do things as WWE, and can't just cater to the very few people who watch both shows, by putting over TNA accomplishments. Even if it's in a roundabout way.
It's not like WCW incomers where Jericho and Big Show were treated as equals. That was a boom period, and other promotions shared equal amounts of followers for a time. It's a different environment today, and WWE reacts accordingly.

Jeriton makes a good point. WWE have never acknowledged TNA or what happens there before, why would they now? They could have pushed Monty Brown and Chris Harris as big stars crossing over, instead they changed their names and treated them like total newbs to the business.

Same with Jeff's return - as Jeri mentions.

Bottom line is, of the 3 friends I've told about this at least 2 of them will be tuning in to see Christian's return/future activities.

Things will be fine. If he performs on the level he can and always has, he will continue to rise up. Until then, this is a great way to help the brand and reintroduce him.

I mean, what are they supposed to do REWARD him with a spot he never before held for going to TNA? I don't view it as a punishment, just a fair deal.

Also, I don't know why people are so final about everyhing. "What a waste". What kind of waste? He's under contract. He'll be in WWE for some time. I have no doubts the fued we all hope for will eventually happen. Not at Mania, but eventually. No need to fret. He can be entertaining in other capacities until then.

I agree with Jeritron.

One final point. WWE isn't stupid. They're not wasting anything. Especially not from a business standpoint.
Edge vs Jeff vs Matt vs Christian in a Ladder Match at Wrestlemania would be great..but guess what? It'd be great no matter what PPV it is on. They know this. They know everyone's going to buy Wrestlemania anyways. They have more than enough big matches lined up to draw with, let alone the name brand drawing power of the event.

A Christian/Edge/Jeff/Matt ladder match would be much wiser to include on the card for a random PPV event like Judgement Day, Great American Bash or Unforgiven. Or how about No Mercy? It's the 10 year anniversary of their original ladder match. The more you think about it, the more it makes sense that it isn't on mania.

Why would they "waste" it at Mania from a business point of view? They can offer the ladder match marks money in the bank anyways.
They saw a window here to get more bang for their buck and they did it. Now they get 3 big matches out of these guys on the Mania card, instead of one. One will be in the WWE title match, the other in the ECW title match, and the last two will face eachother in an epic Brother vs Brother match.

WWE is booking this smarter than anyone on here has. At the very least, why don't you wait and see where it all goes.

Nothing's set in stone. All four guys are under contract and the WWE will no doubt exploit this avenue somewhere down the line. They're hardly wasting things. If anything, they're doing the opposite.

Putting all four guys in the same main event would waste some things.
It'd waste Christian's face return program.
It'd waste the one on one Jeff vs Matt storyline, and big Mania match (a la Bret and Owen)
It'd waste HHH vs Edge, which fans have been wanting for ages. That's a great Mania matchup.

Not pouncing on it wastes, what? Nothing because they can do it later, where those things they can only do now. Expecting him to get the Jericho treatment is illogical. His debut was fine.

Here is why I'm confused.

Chris Jericho returns immediately to the main event: whining and bitching on TPWW.

Christian returns to a sort of midcard main event: whining and bitching on TPWW.

Chris Jericho's return takes place in a predictable and long-foreseen way: whining and bitching on TPWW.

Christian's return takes place in a less pridictable way instead of the predictable and long-foreseen way: whining and bitching on TPWW.


Hmm.

There does seem to be a usual pattern here. I, myself was a little annoyed at how quick Jericho got dropkicked out of the main event after just one match, but other than that he has done just fine for himself, and I have been satisfied.

I personally love the swerve. No it's not what people were expecting, but if Christian had been behind the Jeff Hardy attacks, then everyone would have said it was too predictable. What's the point of watching when you know what is going to happen? Maybe its not the greatest swerve, but it's definitely not what people were expecting, so I respect WWE for that.

It always happens. Nothings ever good enough for people on here. Jericho returns, Christian returns, CM Punk wins the title, Jeff wins the title, Jericho wins the tile, HHH goes to Smackdown, etc etc etc

Even when the greatest wishes of this community come true, they are picked apart and the complaints double.

That's actually one of Howard Finkel's jobs, I think. He goes around to wrestling websites, and looks at what people are expecting, and what people think should happen, and reports back.

I also don't think the rumours have as much to do with this as people say. It was just not logical to insert Christian into the major SmackDown! storylines. I mean, really, where would he go? Edge is pretty much needed to face Triple H for the WWE Title, so that they have a main event worth ordering the PPV for. Matt Hardy and Jeff Hardy's program makes more sense than doing Jeff Hardy vs. Christian right now, because Christian is fresh off returning, and is as over as rover. Why fight against that? If they did do it, then it leaves Matt Hardy with nothing interesting to do.

And who else was going to face Jack Swagger for the ECW Title? Another match with Finlay? A match against Tommy Dreamer? I like both Finlay and Dreamer, but neither guy is exactly a fresh match for Swagger. Christian provides some intrigue into the ECW situation.

This a perfect way to fit Edge, Christian, Triple H, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Jack Swagger, the WWE Title and the ECW Title into the WrestleMania XXV plans. I think it's a far more logical decision than people are giving it credit for.

What I said

Jeritron is very correct, by the way. People need to listen to him more. He is exactly right about what the WWE intends to do, and what they are doing. Christian is not going to disappear, nor is his history with Edge and The Hardys. Why waste that at WrestleMania in a rushed program that leaves the rest of the card pretty dry?

I will say this about Chris Jericho's return, though: While I thought people were far too critical of it, I do think that the timing of Jericho's return to RAW left him out in the dark. He debuted just before Armageddon, which was when the WWE were setting their WrestleMania plans into motion. They did not involve Chris Jericho. As a result, he was just sort of playing around in RAW's main event with whoever was spare, without really making a major difference to anything.

I would not want that for Christian. Or anything like that for Christian. That is what he'd get if he went to SmackDown! or RAW, I can guarantee it. Jericho's return was fine from a promo quality and in-ring quality (when he did eventually get in the ring), but it just lacked true impact because we knew he wasn't going to be winning the WWE Title from Randy Orton.

Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho for the WWE Championship still should have headlined WrestleMania XXIV, in my opinion, but that's certainly not what we got. We got Jericho used as an extra in the Money in the Bank Ladder Match (I was grateful that he was one of the last two guys fighting for the briefcase, though) as Intercontinental Champion. While I am happy that Jericho's mediocre treatment off returning led to his character make-over, and making him one of the most interesting characters in the WWE for some time, Christian shouldn't have to re-invent himself like that.

I think the WWE learned a lot from Chris Jericho, and aren't just going to put Christian smack in the middle of everything, and leave him to be forgotten.

I know, I agree with you completely in this thread.

I know I meant, "that's what I said."

How awesome is the ECW roster now though? The return of Evan Bourne is great news. I hope he gets a MITB slot, and they let him go nuts out there.
I'm glad he's returning so soon, because my biggest fear would be that he lost momentum. I think it won't take long for the crowd to get back into him.

Every time I see this thread I start thinking of this:

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"WHAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?"

This is actually my new favorite thread title. It takes the place of "I don't care for Swagger" for the most unintentionally funny thread of the moment

I'm starting to think that the roster is a little too stacked. But that's OK, I'm sure we'll get the draft cleaning things up after WrestleMania. It'll probably be time for Finlay, Jack Swagger and Christian to move on by that point. But I am so looking forward to some of the matches Evan Bourne can have on ECW:

Jack Swagger vs. Evan Bourne, Christian vs. Evan Bourne, Paul Burchill vs. Evan Bourne, Jamie fucking Noble vs. Evan Bourne, John Morrison vs. Evan Bourne, etc.

I'm pretty damn certain Bourne is going to make it into Money in the Bank. I doubt he'll win the match, but it'll be good showcasing time.

I'm starting to think that if they could make ECW a two-hour show. It'd probably be too much for the WWE to handle, but I think they've got the talent there to get it done, and for it to still be the best piece of WWE programming in the WWE week.

I will say that I preferred the non-remixed theme though. I would guess they changed it A) to sell a new CD B) because the TNA song also had a female singer C) just because he's coming back, why not. In that order.

You lose me when you do things like throwing Paul Burchill in the mix with it being "stacked"

It's a strong roster with some great wrestlers. I wouldn't say it's anything close to too stacked though. They would need a handful of established main eventers for that to happen.

I do share your enthusiasm for the show at this current moment though.