Not a good point at all really we're supposed to battle it out with France and the Swiss for the spots teams like Isreal should be on the lower tier and be 6 points for the 3 of us. Isreal were fucking wank anyway we just didn't go for the kill. Good goal by them but they did nothing all match.

england 2 - asurba fogin team nil thats my predict 4 next game, was it jus me or did it seem weird seeing away team sing home teams national antham??

i dont think joe cole played that good tonight, he scored one an made one apart from that his other 88 mins wernt tha good, id say average IMO. gerrad, i didnt even know he was playing until he got took off!

next game i say drop beckham, put joe cole on natural right side & give downing a chance on left, what have they got to lose?

credit to rooney 4 stayin on his feet 4 third goao!

i went for piss jus after half time, england hit post then scored in that time the twats!!

austrilia are like boro, schawzer has no challangers so if he fucks up has noone to replace him.
i so love boro to resign mark crossley as he is worthy of a startin place defo over knob we have in goal & would say deserves a run for fulham!

Doink, are you sure you watched the game. Did you see the way Joey Cole held up the ball, the balls he played, the balls he played. I swear you were watching a different game.
I agree with dropping Beckham for the next game, Sven said that his back was playing up again. So U'm not sure if he'lll start.

My fav chant of the game '"Are you Scotland in disguise" :lol:

France drew 0-0 though so you didn't concede ground, and considering they, Israel and the Swiss all have to play you at home I'd say you're favourites to qualify right now.

We're in a good position but it could have been better Isreal are weak you need 6 points off them teams.

Come on Mr Up, you need to recognise the talent of Joey Cole. He is both footed, and the way he can cut inside when near the edge of the area and do some damage is great, think about his part in Lampard's goal for Chelsea Vs Barcelona, now think of Cole doing that on his stronger footed. I cannot wait.

Fucking hell, Doink's right about Schwarzer too :'(.

Stupid Bosnich :mad:

Schwarzer = MASSIVE FUCKING WORRY :-\

I forgot to mention, LMMFAO when one of the Iraq subs came on with his name on the back of his shirt "ALI. G". The entire pub just exploded with the "A-LI G! A-LI G! A-LI G!" chant for a few minutes :rofl:

i stand by what i said about joe cole. IMO while wright-phillips is out id try him on the right!

i wont say he hasnt got talent coz he has & he is starting to cut out the show boating which is improving his whole game

I swear I just do not understand why so many English people want rid of David Beckham. Okay he didn't have good Euro 2004 but neither did a few others. Shawn Wright-Phillips is a good player but he ain't in Beckham's league.

Hey I said he was man of match :roll:

But to me he did nothing that I wouldn't really expect of him now - he's been great for you this season. Dominating Chris Baird when Northern Island have nothing going the other way (and he had Ashley Cole behind him anyway) is nothing to shout from the rooftops about. Its akin to people jizzing over Keiron Dyer on his international debut when we beat Leichenstein 6-0. Dyer played well but it was against some farmer or something. Yeah Cole did well but is he gonna do well against the likes of Cafu, Thuram and all the better right backs in the world? I'm not convinced YET.

IMO he isnt as good as he was & i think this is because he wants to play more central so is neglecting the right hand side a bit. not in a way where hes not doing his job but i remember when he was playing for man u hed be out on the wing sending in inch perfect crosses for the forwards to get onto. he doesnt seem to do that as much now.

Im not saying wright-phillips is going to do that either but i think on current form he deserves a go when hes fit again.

i remember a few years back when beckham fell out with fergie & was put on the bench for i think a champions league game. Man u were losing & he put beckham on and he responded to being dropped by going out to prove a point that he is stil worthy of a game by scoring 2 and making a third.

to show him hes not the only option we've got may make him raise his game that bit more!

Joe Cole both footed? He seemed to be favouring his right to me. He had a good game, Kieron Dyer looked lively as well. I'd consider playing him for at least a half on Wednesday.

Alright you explained it better there, I do agree with you, he was always going to look the goods Vs Barcelona as he was up against peices of shit like Van Bronckhort and then Sylvinho :rofl:, but yeah he does need prove himself against other teams, and he hopefully will do some this season :cool:

And Mackem, goals like Portmouth away and Barcelona at home show his talent with his left foot, he does skill with both feet too.

Here's hoping hes the goods though at this level though Dazz :y: Definitely the front runner for the left wing position.

And although I do think Cole favours his right as Mackem said I would also say he's way more able with his left foot than most right footed players and really can produce the goods with it on occasion as Dazz said.

WOOOOOOOO FOR SITTING ON THE FENCE :cool:

Beckham's been in decline as a player since that free kick against Greece. And that's about the last worthwhile thing he did for England.

He needs to be given a kick up the ass and shown that *nobody* is an automatic pick, maybe then he'll wake up and play as he used to.

He is still miles better than SWP.

But he's not playing like it

He's not miles better anyway, the only attribute he has over SWP is passing anyway, and Lampard and Gerrard aren't exactly bad at that.

Beckham's no longer a natural winger so have him compete for a place in the centre. In the short time Dyer was on you could see the benefit of having a winger running on the outside through him setting up Lampard and Owen, both of whom should have scored really.

What do you mean no longer, he never was. He was always an overrated peice of shit who could only cross a ball, do good long balls, and take the occasional (and i do mean occasional) good free kick.

Yeah okay whatever.

Great comeback Robert, you showed me. I always said it when he was with ManYoo and I haven't changed, for a right midfielder he is very poor, he cannot take players on and his lifestyle seems to make people like him more.

I would say Beckham's easily third best Engand midfielder now. I'd probably pick him over SWP still though. But yeah his performances have been ranging from poor to average for England for a long time now.

Maybe I wasn't trying a comeback. Try and grasp there are some people in the world who don't give a fuck about your opinion. Here's one. I don't even mean it to sound bad. I really don't. It got to the point ages ago where I could seriously care less what you have to say about football. I don't make anything personal. I'd still shake your hand or drink beer with you or something but if I had to listen to you talk about football, I'd turn and watch paint dry or something.

Wow, that is how I feel about you too in fact, :$. We are like brothers. Except you have to realise your views on Kirsty Gallagher are all Pete Tong.

Fuck.. usa lost to mexico 2-1 in a world cup qualifier.. anyway, im not as sad becuase Greece beat the dirty Georgians 3-1, etsi gamaei i ellada, etsi yianni? :D :D

Dazz and Rob get a room - can cut the sexual tension with a knife.

Only if he pays for it.

:wtf: is this the same dyer who got sir boby robson the sack when he refused to play wide right as he wants to play more central?

do you think he could do the same and get rid of sven for us?

id just like to see us play with natural wingers rather than playing someone out of position just to fit them in. btw on current form although i think hes a good player, downing doesnt deserve a run. he has played pants for weeks now, and before he got injured young james morrison was making downing look average.

:lol: id some to see big sam allerdyce given a go as england boss, i can see it now, no disprespect to bolton, but england just having a team full of big strong players who will fight and kick their way to a result. no star names, just a team who want to win at all costs, itd be class!

If Dyer refused to play on the right for England he wouldn't be picked, but he wouldn't do that anyway, i'm certain of that.

I'm pretty sure he's been playing wide right for Newcastle recently anyway, whenever Kluivert or Ameobi have been alongside Shearer, he's played there.

People are way too harsh on Sven, it's partly down to him being foreign and no English manager is in the same league as him anyway.

Sven is the man there's no English manager close.

Dyer has been playing welll for Newcastle recently. Think he deserves a half or so on wednesday as Mackem said. Not convinced he can cut it at the highest level either though. I'd rate SWP over him.

ahahahaha no?

Give big Sam Allardyce so much money to spend that it almost ruins a team, and he could win Serie A too.

Sven gets criticised because he is negative and fairly poor tactically. Time and time again he shows he has one game plan, and can do nothing more if it fails. England have a side good enough to win the World Cup. They certainly had a side good enough to win Euro 2004.

They didn't, mainly because of the tactical negativity. Negativity is a curse, as we Irish found out to our cost last night also.

Exactly :D

And on Wednesday night tha gamisoume oi Alvanoi malakes mesa stin Athina :yes:

i agree! Sven is an idiot!

why campagian to get the cup final moved so that his players can be rested and fuck up an english tradition, then go and arrange some meaningless friendlies at the end of the season wheres the sence in that?

i know the friendlies are this season but its the principle of the fact he wants his players to have a good rest at end of seasons so they are refreshed but then makes them travel half he world! idiot.

dyer has been plating on the right btw but think is more due to souness telling him and dyer seeing what happened with bellamy

You'd want Beckham on the right. I think the reason he's been toss for England is because he's been playing in the centre at madrid. He's not a central midfielder and never was. Probably why he's been so useless at madrid too. Just because he can't take people on doesn't make him shit. When you can cross like him (or how he used to), you don't really need to. Watching him playing straight to a players feet from the halfway line was immense. I wish we'd have kept him and had Ronaldo on the left instead. We're missing his creativity somewhat savagely.

Sven is the best manager we've had since Sir Bobby, give him until the world cup at least, if we don't get past the quarter's then he can go as there's been no progress made. The tournaments we've had under him we've been knocked out by the winners in Brazil, and the runners up in Portugal.

Allardyce hasn't won anything yet, and Bolton play shit football despite having some good midfielders. No guaranteeing he'd play the same if managing England of course but i definetly wouldn't want to see it. Personally i'd sooner have Alan Curbishley if i had to choose an English manager.

As for tactically, Bolton don't exactly have anything other than hoofing it up to Davies. I agree in Euro 2004 England were too negative after taking leads though.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/4387713.stm

ahaha

It's not about ability.

Can you, as a manager who is under so much pressure, drop your captain, for a inexperienced, player at a mid table team?

There'd be so much backlash.

would there fuck. nobody respects beckham as a captain anyway, he's toss at it.

lol look at his face.

Cheer up mr grumpy guts.

I bet Victoria would have a word, only for Sven to think he's pulled again:'(

Wasn't Aragone's defense something about Reyes being a gypsy

Yeah he was motivating the gypsy to beat the black bastard :y:

It should be the nature of how you get knocked out that Sven is judged on, not who by.

Against Brazil, England had no ideas against a side reduced to ten men, and sat back inviting pressure. Against Portugal, England had no ideas when Rooney went off, and sat back inviting pressure,

Allardyce is not likely to win anything at Bolton because of how the Premiership is set up, however the way he has brought them from a yo-yo side to one competing for Europe, on a shoestring budget, signing talented players other clubs do not want, playing to their strengths, is better than Sven buying a Serie A or winning the Portuguese league with Benfica.

It's not good enough to say "we'll wait and see how we do at the World Cup" really, if Sven isn't going to change. If the same thing happens again, then you have another generation of England players who will not fufill their potential at a major competition.

Yeah I have always thought Redknapp, Allerdyce or McClaren could do a job.

If you're gonna go English I'd suggest Curbishley

Yeah I'd never go for Redknapp.

IF we had to go for an English manager I'd go for Mclaren. But I wouldn't really want him now to be honest.

Forgot about Curbishley, but I would still take the other three ahead of him.

:lol:

I just have a think about going for birds that the likes of Rio Ferdinand and Stan Collymore have banged. I wouldn't touch Jordan either. Any bird Dwight Yorke shagged makes me physically ill to look at.

But that's another story.

To be honest, I'd be pretty surprised if the next England manager (or at least the 1st in line) wasn't Steve McClaren.

Oh come on Rob, Dwight Yorke is ex United, surely you'd wanna bang a bird he did, even if it was Jordan.

Personally I wouldn't care if Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Phil Neville, Nadia (before her sex change) shagged Kirsty Gallagher before I did, I'd still smash the granny out of her.

Nope. I'd shag filth. I just don't wanna know before hand they are filth for sure.

Kirsty Gallagher is fit.

Jordan is a fucking ugly scumbag drugged up talentless piece of shit.

Therein lies the difference

We all do, except Robert apparently.

Kirsty Gallacher has got a awful nose though :$

The thing about Allardyce is how he managed to entice those players. Bolton were at the time, relegation favourites, and to bring in these sort of players must have taken some negotiations. I don't know what the wages he offered were, so if they were huge I may be wrong.

But, when you can reject players like Jardel and Javi Moreno, who were, and maybe still are, quality players, then you must be doing something right.

And while they may not play particularly good football, it works. They've sneaked up to 6th, and if I was a manager, I couldn't care if my methods didn't cater for the public, if they worked.

However, England is totally different. Rather than a few thousand, the entire country is rooting for you. You can't bring in whoever you like, and there is huge pressure. I could see Allardyce becoming the next Mike Bassett.

I thought Jardel was around 29. He was a big feller....around Jan Molby's weight.
Must've been a while back too if you were top of the Prem:D

Nah she is a bit of a bint init

I'd fuck her if she didn't touch the likes of Collymore and Ferdinand (and whatever other nasty footballers she's been with). But she has so I wouldn't. My current missus is better looking anyway. She could do with her tits though. I'm dead if she reads this.

http://www5.sbs.com.au/home/index.php3?id=56109


Greeks appeal for calm

Greece's Euro 2004 stars have appealed for calm and sportsmanlike support from their passionate fans as they prepare to host Albania in a World Cup qualifier in Athens on Wednesday.

Otto Rehaggel's men are in buoyant mood following Saturday's 3-1 win over Georgia in Tbilisi and the supporters are expecting revenge to be exacted on the Albanians following their poor 2-1 reversal to their neighbours in the corresponding fixture last September.

Greece is currently second in Group Two just three points behind leader Ukraine and will be hoping to pick up maximum points once again on home soil to boost its hopes of reaching Germany next year.

The fixture with Albania always stirs up patriotic fervour among both sets of fans with the proximity of the two countries and the fact that many Albanians have moved across the border to live in Greece.

Although there will be no Albanian fans inside the Giorgos Karaiskaki stadium following the AFA's decision to decline their 1,500 ticket allocation to stave off the threat of crowd trouble, a red-hot atmosphere is expected.

Striker Zizis Vryzas, a goalscorer against Georgia at the weekend, led the calls for the game to be played amid passionate but controlled support from the Greek fans.

"I expect a good atmosphere in the stadium without any extreme incidents," he said.

"If we should take up our role then the win will be ours."

Panathinaikos captain Angelos Basinas added: "The game with Albania will be difficult, but if we play as well as we did against Georgia we will take the three points.

"The attitude that has been shown by the fans up to now has been exceptional. We all want for them to warmly support the team on Wednesday and nothing else."

Defender Takis Fissas of Benfica was more cautious with his initial pre-match prediction.

He said: "Just because we won in Tbilisi does not mean that we will acquire the three points against Albania. Our team owes the fans a win, and the players will do their best to give joy to the fans.

"Overall I believe the Greek team will qualify, as we have a very good team and our performance becomes better with each game."

On the playing front, Rehhagel is likely to stick with the side which was so successful in fighting back from a goal down to overpower the Georgians, with Panathinaikos centre-back Giannis Goumas continuing to deputise for injured stopper Trainos Dellas.

Goumas is relishing the match but also called for calm among the fans.

"It is a difficult game and we have to win in order for our win against Georgia not to be for nothing. The fans have to be respectable and to show everyone that we are civilised."

Hans-Peter Briegel's Albania squad arrived in Athens on Monday and the German coach has played down his side's chances of repeating September's shock upset.

"Albania has come to just play football, since we have nothing to lose," he said.

"Any result apart from a defeat will be positive for us. In reference to the game we fear nothing. I cannot use some players because of their injuries and the team will look a little different from the previous games."

Post a pic of your wife so i can judge :shifty: bty krsty gallagher denies the collymore stories and if she's been bucking Ferdinand then that must give hope to other ugly people!

I wouldnt have Mclaren as England manager, he is a clueless twat who has worse tatics then sven. He has so far managed to get boro to 6th in the league, then saw we had some bad injuries with talented kids coming through.

What would you do:

a: give the kids a run they are quality and deserve a chance
b: sign some sort of back up in transfer window as although the kids are good, they are in experienced.
c: none of above

or

d: none of above, play the kids then drop them under the 'star name' hidden rule, even though the star name isnt fit and is no where near as good as the youngsters therefore causing us to go on a winning streak of erm 1 game since the turn of year and ruining any chance he have of european football next year.

ill give you a clue Mclaren didnt choice A, B or C!

He doesnt know when or how to use subs to either win a game,get a result from a game or kill a game off.

My vote is still big Sam, although not prolific look at the transformation in players like Davies, Diouf, Gardner, Hunt, Nolan. although not world beaters he has taken them from being players nobody wanted to pushing for a top 6 spot.

he seems to have the knack of motivatin players and i think he could get the best out of our players and have them playing as a team who could finally fulfil their potential!

McClaren is a fucking crap manager, really. Very negative, spends a lot of money and Boro tend to go tits up every season when his boring arse team is found out for what it is.

Apparently he's a great coach, but great coaches don't make great managers in the English sense.

Also, Martin O'Neill got to the top of English football by playing a very robust game, relying on very big defenders and strikers, and a very physical game. Same at Celtic really. It's the only way for young managers who make their reputation in the English game to really do things now. It'd be pointless trying to play Arsenal or Manchester United at a passing game, they'd get slaughtered.

A good manager plays to his team's strengths. For a long time, Sven thought England's strength was lumping it up to Heskey. He has been blessed with Wayne Rooney, however.

I also wouldn't like McLaren to manage England, although he hasn't spent too much recently it'd be similiar to Bolton, as in the wage bill would be pretty big.

I'd love to see Martin O'Neill manage England but it probably wouldn't appeal to him. Although we had big Emile and big defenders when he was here we did play football, not just hoof it forward.

I reckon Peter Taylor, despite his failings here, would do a decent job for England, as he wouldn't be able to spend money, fuck knows where we could've been if Martin had stuck around and spent the £11m we got for Heskey but i'm certain it wouldn't be outside the premiership, but i'm digressing. Point is, Taylor can't spend money when in charge of England, has done a decent job everywhere else but Leicester (bar the first 6 months, then he sold Lennon) and would be a decent choice in my view.

All big Sam has done with Diouf is turn him from a talented scumbag spitting diving cockmaster who wasn't playing, into a talented scumbag spitting diving cockmaster who plays and occasionally gets sent off for being a moron.

:love:

Anybody catch the USA/Mexico footy game this past weekend?
I didn't. I was watching March Madness like a normal person, however there was aa rerun on at like 3AM on ESPN2, so I watched it, and it was the best footy game I ever watched. Too bad Mexico kicked our butts.


We are the most powerful country in the world!! But we're not going to qualify for the World Cup!

Good job guys :roll:

Do you scousers still do the world cup? Or is that "not cool" Like Olympic baseball to us

Ugh, give it up ferret. Just go spam some other thread up, please.

qhat, I actually watched it, and now I want to discuss goddamnitt!

You've been a right cunt lately.

Betting Ferret doesn't know what scouser means

discuss the USA/Mexico footy game godammit! And why do we play Mexico every year? :mad: Arent there like 3857-3803-8028-95728 other countries in the world?

No.

Betting that's Ferret's credit card number or something

Bolton don't just hoof it forward, either. They have some very skillful players in their side.

They don't always hoof it forward, no, but they do it more often than not and definetly more than City under O'Neill, maybe not under Adams to be fair. The fact that they've got skillful players makes the way they play even more annoying though.

i'd give him a chance as England boss but i wouldn't want to see the same style of football as he has at Bolton, and i'd rather have Curbishley. I'll wait and see where Bolton finish this season anyway before i consider him to be a really good manager and whatnot.

That's bullshit, they don't hoof it forward more than any other side. They get men into the box for set-pieces, but the idea they are a long ball team is a false one. They're certainly physical, but Kevin Davies isn't good enough in the air to play a long ball game.

It's a media stereotype. Try watching the games. Big Sam basically started the trend for 4-5-1 that is doing the rounds, except he is blessed with a very cultured holding player Campo, a brilliant play-maker in Okocha, and some very good wide players. They play with a lot of width and have Nolan getting into the box to support the front man.

Campo sits and patrols in front of the defence, while the full-backs have license to get forward. It's very similar to O'Neill's game at Leicester and Celtic. Big forwards to hold it up, a play-maker, a very defensive holding player, and two dedicated wide men.

Surely we are not thinking of the same Campo. He has been fucking aweful since leaving Madrid. One of the worst players in the Premiership.

You said Gilberto was one of the worst players in the Premiership too, Dazz. You have a blindspot when it comes to holding midfielders, unless it's Makalele.

Campo does his job very well.

Does he fuck, he can't even hold the ball up. He just runs around waving an invisible card to the ref and whines if someone touches him. You just like him for what he did at Madrid, he has been extremely terrible for Bolton, even his tackling is weak.

I didn't even see him at Madrid. He never got on. Plus, he was a centre back then. He's better in midfield than at the back.

Like I said, you described Gilberto as terrible. You can't pick out a decent holding midfielder to save your life.

ONE MAKA ONE MAKA ONE MAKELELE
ONE MAKA ONE MAKA ONE MAKELELE
ONE MAKA ONE MAKA ONE MAKELELE
CLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUDE MAKELELE

That's one, you cretin.

Notice what I said a couple of posts up.

Yes, you contradicted yourself, you cretin.

If he played as a proper holding midfielder then Paddy Vieira could do the job well, same with Graveson, , Scotty Parker has potential to be able to, as does Smertin, and if you want a holding midfielder of the future, Anthony Grant for sure, he plays in our youth team but has a fucking great challenge on him. Remember the name, Anthony Grant.

Trouble is not many teams play with what I'd call a proper holding midfield, rumour has it Maka gets a nose bleed if he enters to opponents half.

I don't think any of those players have the discipline, really (aside from the lad I've never heard of). It requires a lot of it.

Stevie Gerrard looks half the player he is when he's asked to hold. No positional discipline.

Thats whats great about Maka, he doesn't like to attack so he just stays back and chats up our defence. I think the only shot I recall him having is the one that Lemon spilled and Lampard scored the rebound when we beat Arsenal in the Champions League last season. Other then that the way he sticks to just being a holding player is superb.

But yeah I suppose if they had the discipline then their manager would play them there in some circumstances.

Well there you go. Campo does that job well. He just sits there in front of his defence, sprays passes about, doesn't think about joining in attacks.

Also, Arsenal and Paddy V both look much better when they have a holding midfielder in there to sit and protect the defence. Emmanuel Petit and Gilberto.

What your forgetting is that Petit is a girl, he asked Ranieri to sub him because he had a headache. Come on now, only girls get headaches.

Campo stays in position well, granted, but he doesn't possess any other quality for the position, he seriously isn't a good tackler, he isn't solid, he takes too long on the ball, and that fucking invisible card thing REALLY winds me up.

I think Vieira is too good attacking to play as a holding player, but if they had someone like Gerrard in their team, who can defend and attack well, then Vierira wouldn't have to push up. I reckon Chelsea look to create down the wings about as much as Arsenal just breakthrough the middle, and Vieira does some shit hot accurate passes. Point is, we all known Gilberto is rubbish.

Lawrenson and Motson are comedy gold....they are awful. Motson starting going on about how quiet it had got, and Lawrenson started whispering :lol:

I think I've found the slowest player I've ever seen.....Feeney for Northern Ireland, and he's only just come on.

no sat on the keyboard. - comes right after 0. So comes natural I'd hit it

Greece 1 Albania 0. I LOVE CHARISTEAS, ELLADARA!!!!!

Hella boring game. Wtf at Hansen saying Beckham and J Cole were the best players were they blind to Rooney? Owen couldn't have scored an empty net tonight oh well.

Overall boring as hell game and a way below average performance but hey we won.



And Dazz what's with your love of the word cretin all of a sudden?

God Wales were unlucky. We should have won that game about 4-0, and we end up losing 1-0. Oh well, it's a young team and Toshack said himself that we may need to take a few steps back to take a few steps forward. Most of those players out there tonight were from the Championship and below. They will learn in time, Toshack's the man.

I tried to defend Owen for most of that game, mainly cause my dad was on his back at every opportunity, had to give up in the end cause some of the misses were just terrible. Another pretty good display though, just poor finishing.

You could have said Owen has 29 international goals. Pretty good defence of him, no matter what he did tonight.