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Aguakate 08-05-2011 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3595594)
Apparently Aguakate knows something that every GM in baseball does not.

I'm just saying...why pay more for Pujols or Fielder, who will ask for a lot of money, when you can sign Peņa for less money and get good production from First Base? With the money you save, you can better the ball club...

...if they sign one of those 2 guys, the Cubs will be similar to what they were for most of Sammy Sosa's tenure in Chicago: a losing team, but hey...they've got a superstar, so...

RP 08-05-2011 01:46 AM

If the Cubs can win 38 out of the next 50, they might have a chance!................

Damian Rey 08-05-2011 02:21 AM

I don't know, Agua. I don't think Pujols will get $30mil largely due to his age. But if the Cubs can get him, they should. Pujols is a legitimate draw. The Cubs have a massive media market, and they can afford to dole out the contract based on the attendance Pujols would draw alone.

Pena is a nice piece, but he's a 6 hitter on a good team. 30 HR is nice, but the key objective is to not produce an out. It's that simple. I dare ask, who produces less outs that Albert Pujols.

It's not even a question.

And about the my comments concerning the Brewers; perhaps "destroyed" was too strong of a word. Looking back, my original point was that it didn't accomplish anything outside of a cameo playoff appearance and 2 months of increased revenue. The revenue is nice, but in the long run, it served as irrelevant. The Brewers didn't go anywhere immediately after that season, and they lost out on conveted draft picks due to the Angels receiving comp picks after losing Tex to the Yankees. But conceed they were not destroyed.

Damian Rey 08-05-2011 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3595597)
I'm just saying...why pay more for Pujols or Fielder, who will ask for a lot of money, when you can sign Peņa for less money and get good production from First Base? With the money you save, you can better the ball club...

...if they sign one of those 2 guys, the Cubs will be similar to what they were for most of Sammy Sosa's tenure in Chicago: a losing team, but hey...they've got a superstar, so...

221/341/439 is "good" production? Granted, the OBP is not bad, but Pujols, in a down year where his wrist was repaired, has a similar OBP, higher SLG and higher OPS. Pujols is far superior than Pena, and even if the Cubs were to try and spend their money on several players rather than one, they are not going to accumulate the lone production that Pujols alone would bring them.

Aguakate 08-05-2011 02:31 AM

Cubs need to spend their money wisely...I've read their Chicago fanbase is starting to slowly, but surely, decrease...that the games aren't selling out like they used to, even in their toughest seasons...to some, it seems like the "loveable losers" thing is dying down.

ClockShot 08-05-2011 06:29 AM

Yankees sweep the White Sox, didn't walk anybody during the series, and are tied with the Red Sox atop the AL east.

Going to be a crazy 3 days.

Innovator 08-05-2011 08:29 AM

Yanks are riding high, perfect time to shit the bed again.

RP 08-05-2011 08:40 AM

If the Cubs win six in a row, I riot.

Gertner 08-05-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 3595451)
I heard the Jays were in on Heath Bell merely for the draft picks they'd get for him signing elseshwere next year. Maybe the get him through the waiver wire.

That's definitely an AA thing to do. They basically bought a pick in the off season when they acquired the rights to Miguel Olivo.

Innovator 08-05-2011 01:50 PM

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DaveWadding 08-05-2011 03:53 PM

Albert Pujols has been worth approximately 87 wins above replacement over his career (86.7). Carlos Pena? About 14 wins (13.9).

Oh and by the way, in terms of WAR, this has been Pujols' worst year BY FAR (3 WAR, the next worst is 5.8 in 2002; career average before this year is 8.4 wins). to put that in context of the argument: Carlos Pena's highest WAR EVER is 5.3 and then his second highest is 2.9.

What that means is Albert Pujols' career FLOOR to this point is the BEST Carlos Pena has done in his career.

So yeah, I'll take Pujols. BTW, obvious post is obvious. I just like using statistics to quantify ;)

Innovator 08-05-2011 04:01 PM

Call me old fashioned, but I would like a player who strikes fear into pitchers rather than...Carlos Pena.

DaveWadding 08-05-2011 04:09 PM

The shift strikes fear into no one.

Aguakate 08-05-2011 05:11 PM

...Cubbies leading the Reds 3-2 in the 6th...awesome.

Damian Rey 08-05-2011 09:46 PM

Padres are murdering the Pirates.

Skippord 08-05-2011 09:49 PM

Davey Johnson looks way older than he is

Aguakate 08-05-2011 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 3596101)
Davey Johnson looks way older than he is

...'Cause he lost weight and stuff.

Innovator 08-05-2011 11:38 PM

BALLGAME OVER! YANKEES WIN! TTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YANKEES WIN!

Damian Rey 08-05-2011 11:41 PM

I think the Pirates are starting to realive their fluke season is coming to an end. The Padres have one of the worst offenses in the National League, and the Padres worked them over big time.

The dream is collapsing.

Aguakate 08-05-2011 11:52 PM

Looks like they came back to reality, yes...

Corndad 08-06-2011 12:10 AM

The Pitching was keeping the Buccos competitive but now it seems like that is gone, with no real offensive punch its not looking good again. Lord only hopes they at least get .500 this year so it's not seen as a disappointment.

RP 08-06-2011 12:27 AM

Go cubs go!

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 12:33 AM

Their pitching was all smoke and mirrors, anyways. It was only a matter of time before their mediocre rotation showed their true colors. Did anyone really believe in a rotation featuring Kevin Correia, James McDonald, Charlie Morton, Jeff Karstens and Paul Maholm? I sure as shit didn't.

It was a nice story while it lasted, but it's looking like all is lost in Pittsburgh, right now.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 12:37 AM

It's possible the Cubs may finish in third place in the NL Central.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 12:49 AM

They have three talented starters at the top of the rotation. If their lineup produces, it's not impossible for them to get on a roll.

RP 08-06-2011 01:01 AM

If Mike Quade only had to manage the last 2 months of the season, every season, he'd be the best manager in the bigs.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 01:07 AM

I know he's made some bonehead decisions. I remember Larry Bowa, who I think is an idiot, for the record, feels like Sandberg was the guy the Cubs "missed the boat on" when it came down to managing. Sandberg has managed all of 5 seasons, while Quade has been managing since 1985.

Quade deserved at least a chance to see what he could do, and he has failed. Some of that is the talent pool, or lack thereof, and some of that is him. But I highly doubt the Cubs would be much better if Sandberg was running things.

McLegend 08-06-2011 01:18 AM

The Giants are a huge douchebag team.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 01:27 AM

I hate pretty much every player on their roster.

RP 08-06-2011 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 3596230)
I know he's made some bonehead decisions. I remember Larry Bowa, who I think is an idiot, for the record, feels like Sandberg was the guy the Cubs "missed the boat on" when it came down to managing. Sandberg has managed all of 5 seasons, while Quade has been managing since 1985.

Quade deserved at least a chance to see what he could do, and he has failed. Some of that is the talent pool, or lack thereof, and some of that is him. But I highly doubt the Cubs would be much better if Sandberg was running things.

A lot is him. There was a great article on insider that showed the main reasons why the Cubs were losing.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:11 AM

Insider? I'll have to dig for it. I'm sure he's a problem, but they do not have a talented team. Pinella is regarded as a great manager and he couldn't take them anywhere. I really don't thin Sandberg would have done much better if at all, and his failures would have been blown through the roof because of his name and history.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:15 AM

...Sandberg's team with the Cubs was a winning team...and during the HOF Ceremony, when they presented him, I think I heard his present team is in first place too, so...

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:20 AM

Yea, but is that due to him being an amazing manager, or because he has talent on the team? Again, Pinella is regarded as a great manager, and he could not turn the cubs around. I don't Sandberg could either. You can't make gold out of nothing.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:22 AM

Piniella couldn't turn the Devil Rays around either, so...I never bought into him as this GREAT manager.

All this diva-type BS we've seen from Zambrano and Dempster wouldn't have happened under Sandberg...and if it did, he would've put them in their place FAST, not shrug it off like Quade did.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:24 AM

He didn't turn the Rays around due to the lack of talent he had to work with. Same thing with the Cubs. Sure, there were some nice pieces there, but at the end of the day the team he got was not that great. You can't win without talent. The Padres showed it at the end of last year, the Pirates and Cleveland are slowly showing it this year. It doesn't matter who's calling the shots. If you don't have the talent, you're not going to win.

Skippord 08-06-2011 02:27 AM

the Cubs have a very talented team, if it were 2005

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:28 AM

But the Cubs are winning now, without making any moves, except trading KosuKe FuKudome (a lot of K's in capital, because he strikes out so much, get it?)...

...so if there had been an authority figure who demanded respect from the team, perhaps they would've had a better season...not saying World Series caliber, but, better.

Quade will be gone by next year's trading deadline, that's my guess.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:37 AM

And Pinella didn't command respect? I really don't buy into all these intagibles about demanding respect or playing the game the right way and all the other cliches. Demanding respect or not, they don't have a good team. Castro and Ramirez are legit starters, but Pena is a 6 hitter on a good team, Byrd is a nice player but he's not spectacular and is a borderline starter on a good team. Soriano isn't the same guy. Barney is not a starter, and Colvin, if he's getting PT in RF has pathetic plate discipline and wouldn't start on a good team.

Their bullpen's had all kinds of holes over the season, and before getting Garza, their rotation was a 1-2 punch, when Zambrano felt like showing up.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:47 AM

Piniella is an old man. He lost that team.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:51 AM

And Sandberg, at the refreshing age of 51, is young? Like I said, doesn't matter who you get in there, the team is not built to win. They do not have the fire power, or the starting pitching and bullpen to win.


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