Lol You brought up the topic of me constantly pointing out that you’re an ass-kisser desperate for allies. I brought up a glaring example of you saying shit to suck your man’s ass as opposed to having a “good faith conversation” and now you’re embarrassed and regretting it so you want to avoid the topic.

Trying to revert to trolling as a defense mechanism when you get caught in your web of bullshit doesn’t make you seem smarter.

I hear the faint sound of a nice minestrone simmering in the background.

Remember Battle of the Belts? That weekends episode of WOW drew more viewers. AEW won the demo though!

Battle of the Belts isn’t an opportunity like Clash of the Champions or Saturday Night Main Event, because AEW doesn’t have anything resembling pull, but it’s still a wasted opportunity to create some prestigious content.

Looking forward to AJ Lee’s promotion outdrawing AEW via the CW Network.

Does that even matter though, Tony paid for the NWA Women's show (even if they didn't give him credit). Tony has done WAAAAAAAAAAY more for Women's wrestling than a Women's Wrestling Show :rant:

The women’s show is coming. Featuring the women who can hold eye contact with Tony. Or are friends with a woman who can maintain eye contact with Tony.

I wonder if CM Punk and Billy Corgan would get along? I’ve heard Corgan can be difficult (don’t know anything about his music career honestly). Punk and Corgan joining forces with WOW, Dave McLane and ViacomCBS could lead to something substantial.

At some point, Triple H isn’t going to have room for talent either. They could use a #3 to feed under the table.

RAW - 1.64 million

Raw doubling up Dinomyte :eek: , somewhere Fan in a corner crying while looking for a Noid post from 2019 to repost... the classic GOTCHA!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Nope. I just need to go back about a week to embarrass the lovely couple. Keep randomly bringing me up in the hopes of getting an unchallenged “W” though. It’s your best bet.

Let me guess, he replied with a bunch of words about how he IS NOT in Shambles. Good ole reliable Fan :rofl:

Wait… We literally had a direct conversation like a week ago.

Did you forget or is this officially awkward fake ignore #4??

No, this is you taking the bait #27 :P

:yes:

I'm coming for the King's crown.

He won’t be able to hit anything back, so it’s got to go to some irrelevant place.

I’m not up on my internet terms but there’s gotta be a word specifically for a guy who reverts to trolling occasionally to try to save face after he says something particularly dumb so that he can make it seem like he was trolling the entire time.

Let’s call it xrodding for now.

You should be trying to pick fights with Seanny for that. This is his year.

Yeah, his year to kiss my ring.

But they were up 245k from last week!

Fan is IN SHAMBLES

fan only weeping from both ends

the weeping sphincter

Let’s keep my medical issues out of this, please.

Also, the term “weeping sphincter” might somehow trigger cumdorx’ homophobia/transphobia and the awkward “saving face” cycle will begin again. We’re still in the midst of his current cycle despite Lock Jaw robbing him of his opportunity here.

I just get a kick out of the phrase "IN SHAMBLES"

AEW is IN SHAMBLES!

HEY!!!! Keep the pillow talk out of it.

Dixie Carter is gonna buy AEW on the cheap the way things are going

I definitely have some serious questions about the longevity of AEW under WBD. They are throwing money around without a clear path to profit

I don’t know how long the vision for cable is. AEW could very easily survive by just being cheap content on a dying platform. They’ll celebrate getting renewed like it’s winning the SuperBowl, even if there is no notable increase in their revenue despite their spending going through the roof.

They just signed Bandido and Juice Robinson. It’s not stopping.

I don’t think you can trust WBD either. They’ll change their mind on how they want to market TBS and TNT next week if they want to, and that’s their prerogative.

AEW has had almost 4 years to get big enough to be more of a heavyweight. Whatever happens to them is kind of their fault.

RAW jobbed to Halloween with 1.5 million

Hour 3 ended up with 1.36 million viewers

SD - 835k
Rampage - 378k
RAW - 1.50 million

Damn. RIP RAW?

Raw against Halloween and Monday Night Football only got 1.5 million.

Or in other words, a higher rating than any episode of Dynamite ever.

Faction "IN SHAMBLES" are actually in Shambles :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Smackdown only did 835k? Wtf?

On FS1*

Oh. So SD only has a good rating when it is on FOX? Makes sense I guess. Wouldn't think the drop off would be 1 million.

Pretty sure AEW is on some channel I don't even own and they are mocked.

I can’t remember if that is good or not on FS1. I was under the impression they sometimes did 750k on FS1. But I may be misremembering.

That 3rd hr for Raw, outside of prime time on a Monday night, still spanking that Dynamite number.

Yeah they usually lose around 60-65% of the audience when on FS1.

Thats the worst number on FS1 in at least the last 2-3 years. The usually anywhere from just under 900k to a little over a million.

Mind you FS1 was moved from basic cable packages to a higher tier for some service providers earlier this year. Less eyes on that channel in general now.

Listen. WWE is dead. It’s over. Move on.

This isn’t the AEW thread. And you didn’t say AEW.

it isn't? he didn't?!

Wrong the dial

Damn @ Dynamite beating Smackdown. The CULTISTS in SHAMBLES and TATTERS, BOILING over this turn of events (suffering from the dreaded boiling tatters).

philtinykoolaidbootnomillionroflroflrofl

/Narc




OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

damn RIP

Normal FOX on basic cable?

How much does this prove that casual fans do exist? Seems crazy to me that you wouldn’t just follow it across to the other channel.

As a kid, I would have found it, but I can understand why many people wouldn’t. There’s a huge difference between network and premium cable. It’s a change in routine, plus a lot of people (reasonably) probably don’t see the FS1 shows as big shows.

It’s a bit like PPV. So many viewers didn’t watch them and would just tune in afterwards and would find out what happened.

It’s why AEW’s PPV conversion rate is a double-edged sword. On one hand, on the surface converting about 10% of your week-to-week audience is a very impressive portion. But the downside is that you’re probably not hitting that casual viewer that is going to boost you up in other metrics.

Well I mean unless you have premium tier cable you couldn't follow it across because you won't have FS1. Main Fox doesn't even require cable as it's a broadcast network like ABC/NBC/CBS.

Ah I see.

911,000 for Dynamite.

It never gets old watching XRodmuc and Noid being proven right every week

Lol, no surprise there.

AEW fans were like “The show’s doing fine without Punk.” A lot of people haven’t cottoned on that he’s gone. It’s back to the regular old AEW and its usual swings and misses.

Do they have a special show coming up to inflate the number?

Oh wait, I forgot they have Jeff Jarrett, Colt Cabana and Katsuyori Shibata now. That will fix it.

Scotty Goldman getting World Title shots lmao

Lets take a stroll down memory lane!

911k? Someone better call 911 for this company.

It’s that naughty CM Punk’s fault this didn’t happen earlier.

Even if it weren't Punk's fault, the optics of the timing are pretty bad :|

0.29 in the KeY dEmO for AEDUB. Worst this year.

There are so many things wrong with the Colt Cabana story:

-Why force Tony to let his contract expire? Why not have him fired?

-How does it explain Colt Cabana not being used before Punk got there?

-Punk was so determined for Cabana to go that he forced him out…but didn’t care when he was saved? The effect of what he allegedly wanted didn’t happen.

-Why not other people in the company he didn’t like? Apparently he’s such a malcontent, why not get rid of Jay Lethal, for example?

-It’s a big gamble to go public and say you had nothing to do with it right next to the boss who would know you did but also said you didn’t.

-Does Tony Khan have absolutely no agency? Joking aside, it’s his call who is and isn’t in the company. This is like AJ Styles actually believing Paul Heyman got Gallows & Anderson cut. If CM Punk MADE Tony get rid of Colt, which didn’t actually happen, then what sort of indictment is that on AEW? I’d rather the story never got out at all.

It’s way more likely AEW is just petty and used him as a dig. If Randy Orton left WWE and they brought back Mr. Kennedy, what are you going to think: Orton conspired to keep the guy out of work and forced them not to use him while he was there, or that the company is just being petty and using someone when they’re mad at him? Come on.

The last few are having birthdays.

Exactly what I said would happen like 2 years ago, cant wait for Tiny to start hyping the 18-54 Canadian demo again lol

I haven’t heard nearly as much hammering on about the demo as AEW’s fans age out of it. Granted, I block out a lot of what Dave says these days.

Lol, Chris Jericho and Colt Cabana caused a 13% drop in the audience this week. Take that, Punk — you cancer!

Is Punk still in AEW?

The ratings were supposed to rise as soon as they got rid of him so… I guess he is?

Who ended up being at fault for the whole CM Punk drama situation?

Nothing official about his departure. Rumors suggest he is negotiating a buyout. Nick Hausman didn’t ask him (or his “camp”) specifically about this, but got the impression that he won’t be going back and has barely talked to AEW.

Dave Meltzer will tell you that it’s CM Punk. Colt Cabana being back and the company bringing back The Elite tells you that Punk kept Cabana off TV and The Elite didn’t do anything wrong. CM Punk negotiating a multi-million dollar buyout means he’s guilty.

Talent like Chris Jericho and Matt Hardy have been very vocal about not wanting Punk back and shovel the blame onto him too.

The Punk’s side has been quieter/doesn’t have any power in the company. I don’t believe the Elite side worth a shit. I mean, you can just read how illogical Dave’s conclusions are. Colt Cabana has been with the company and barely used since the beginning, and an investigation wasn’t necessarily ethical (Dave himself has said Lucy Guy, a witness to the incident, was not even questioned). The results of the investigation haven’t been made public either. They could have found Punk’s response proportionate and The Elite at fault, but Punk wants out and The Elite don’t.

Short story: The Elite are bullying/manipulating fuckheads that made Punk’s job hard, he cracked, lashed out — Punk’s probably the lesser evil but AEW is going to go with The Elite.

Interesting. Losing CM Punk, as much as I don't like him personally, won't be good for AEW.

Oh boy. Oh gosh…

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If the anti-aew take was punk was in the wrong then that would be the take we'd have been reading in this thread for the past several weeks. Its anti-objectivity.

The slant from AEW is suggesting that losing CM Punk is good because he’s terrible to have in the locker room — a disease, etc. But Chris Jericho’s top of the hour segment with Colt Cabana did lose 13% of viewers, so there’s that.

The AEW side is not objective. Anti-Punk sentiments run deep too.

You’re not going to get any objective takes, Ruien. I gave you what’s being reported and what we know so far. I don’t think anyone would argue with how I’ve laid that out. It’s a close to objective as you’re going to get.

I’ll add on top that I don’t trust AEW, their investigation or The Elite. Not a giant Punk fan either. There’s likely to be more that plays out from this whole mess.

Seph and Destor both have stiffies for anything that hurts Punk. I don’t think either of them would call that “objectivity.” That’s just a smokescreen anyway. Say what you really think.

I don't think it matters really who is right or wrong. Losing CM Punk is losing star power.

The ratings haven’t nosedived, but they certainly aren’t helped by him not being there. Even the Meltzer camp has suggested that Punk was good for business — I don’t know if they are talking about more important metrics than Nielsen ratings. But even if the effects don’t seem great right now — we don’t know what things are going to be like when the average fan cottons on. Punk’s in that DNA now.

I was just thinking about posters with ridiculous, irrational anti-Punk stiffies. Seph and Destor were the first two who came to mind. Can’t even think of a close third.

:shifty:

Elaborate on irrational

And ridiculous. Please be specific

*crickets*

If I recall correctly, destor's main point is that this kind of shit follows punk wherever he goes.

Nothing irrational about that. It's fact.

Personally, I favor WeX's outlook. They're all fucking children.

Fignuts get it.

If trouble follows you everywhere you go then you might just be the problem.

End of the day, the main person to blame here is tony khan. His, company, his talent, his fault things got to this point.

Also true.

He should have cut Punk off at the presser and then took him behind the curtain and told him that a company presser is not the place to air his grievances. Follow that up with a meeting between all parties with a mediator and legal to hash out their differences and come to an understand. Then work a fucking angle off of it and print money.

But he chose to sit there with coke glazed eyes looking like "What's going on? Why is my toy talking back? I didn't pay for this. Does anyone know where I can get some more coke?"

You don't have to be objective in order to be correct.

Punk is a no credibility having, bitter douchebag. He also never main evented Wrestlemania because he was not good enough. He looks like he smells bad, and is more fragile than the lamp from A Christmas Story.

Sometimes I wonder if Tony is legit scared to stand up to the guys. He acts like it. I think he thinks if he bucks up to them that they'll just kick his ass.

Tony should have hired Steve Blackman as talent relations.

One example being set would have been all it took to keep everyone in line.