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I take it Alfred will a bit of an edge with Irons on him.
Gonna have to see how that Lex casting will work out. |
Not sure what to think of this yet.
Scar from the Lion King is Alfred, hmmm. Jessie Eisenberg playing a wealthy young genius? Is Lex going to be like Mark Zuckerberg but evil? |
Eisenberg can certainly pull off smug and arrogant.
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even though hes like the nicest guy in real life. good actor
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I like the Eisenberg casting.
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Unsure about it, so I shall see. I would have preferred an older Luthor, but really I will just settle for a good movie Luthor.
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Both talented actors so that bodes well. Not typical choices but what casting has?
Love irons so that could be amazing. Would rather have seen him play Luthor. I still dream of Kevin spacey as Luthor. That would be amazing. No way to fuck that hat up. |
The 'Returns/quasi-Donner universe is long done so Spacey can't return, but I would have loved him as 'CEO Lex' rather than 'Evil Housing Guy Lex'.
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Heisenberg, not Eisenberg.
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I copy-pasted, sorry.
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Not sure how reliable this source is, but they're saying Christopher Nolan is out as producer of BvS, and Geoff Johns is taking over.
http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/con...rman-nolan-out I really don't know what to make of this. On the one hand, removing Nolan means they'll be stepping further out of the shadow of the Dark Knight movies, and hopefully they won't have the same oppressively dark and moody tone that hurt Man of Steel so severely. On the other hand, Nolan tends to make really good movies, and the last major flick that Johns had a hand in was Green Lantern, which went over like a wet fart in church. So.......yeah. |
If the DC movie-verse is to grow this is probably for best, but I don't know about Johns pulling some of the strings. So long as Snyder and Goyer have their act together.
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Nolan didn't have much, if anything to do with MoS. Him leaving makes little difference. I am just hoping that the Argo writer who was brought in to clean the script up does a bang up job, and that the movie is better paced and not all over the place like MoS.
Also hoping the push back means WB realized the script needs more fine tuning and may be a bit overstuffed if all these rumors we hear are true, and decide to tone it down a bit and make this a better film than the first. That being said, I like the recent castings. Irons as Alfred is intriguing. He's kind of a grandiose choice, but he's still a fine actor. Just hope he's given enough to work with that he can actually stand out the way his predecessors have in the role. Eisenberg is a really interesting choice. I hope Lex is closer in relation to the animated counterparts rather the film versions. Animated Lex is bad ass. |
The one thing I hope they manage to bring to the screen is that witty back and forth Superman and Batman have in Public enemies /worlds finest its not over the top funny like Avengers or Iron Man but its no less fun to hear them and see how they play off one another. Supes has GOT to be more optimistic in MoS 2 in order for that to happen.
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Well even if they wanted to go with the classic light/dark dynamic, that would have to be after they're friends (>> Justice League movie). It seems like they're going with a young man/old dog thing here.
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You don't think they could even use the " I kinda hate that guy but I think respect him" dynamic from the worlds finest cartoon?
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Well that's classic buddy cop movie stuff anyway, but even the DCAU movie built on the contrast of their styles that only really worked because of the benefit of both of them having their own shows running concurrently. We don't even know Batfleck yet, and the tricky bit here is Superman's not that much lighter than Batman given MoS' direction.
Batfleck would have to be the most depressing fucker ever to translate the contrast from the comics/cartoon, or Clark would need to be written way lighter. |
Speaking of Ben I'm still waiting for a friend to prove to me that Affleck can do a decent job as Batman, As Bruce Wayne Ive every confidence that Affleck can play a rich,cocky asshole.
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Why is the burden on him to prove that? lol
Ben's a good actor who already knows Batman in and out. There's a good chance he knows what he's doing. He wouldn't so eagerly embarrass himself. |
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Because he has a massive man crush on Affleck and can't understand why I prefer Ben behind the camera rather than in front(that said I did enjoy The Town) But he's no Matt Damon (obligatory joke you understand) |
Think Affleck will shine, depending on what he's given to work with. He's got the looks, got the build and has the ability. So long as the character is written/presented well, Affleck will do fine.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Not even his fault.
I mean, what would be his win/loss ratio? |
where did the "Ben Affleck is a good actor" rumor start?
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Pearl Harbor
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Paycheck
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Surviving Christmas
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Jersey Girl
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I could keep going to.
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To where?
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To the Wonder!
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I liked him in Dogma. Though he's always good when he has Damon to play off of. |
The whole "person X is only capable of shittiness because they were a part of these movies" is a really fantastic way to spot people who don't really bother thinking about how the movie business works.
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He was good in a lot of movies:
Chasing Amy, Dogma, The Town, Argo, Boiler Room, Smokin' Aces, to name a few |
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Like 83 people are saying just that.
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I have no faith in Snyder. They are making the Justice League movie as a panic response to the Avengers.
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I mean, they gotta do it sometime. And you can't reasonably expect them to emulate the multi-year movie by movie set-up, the first JL movie would come out by Avengers 5.
It was clearly gonna be fast tracked, reversing Marvel's plan with movies spinning off after the fact rather than a build up. They had no choice and I'm sympathetic to that. Unless you had a better plan in mind. |
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Good for them, I guess.
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Well, the point of a message board is for someone to say something, and others to respond, so yes, good for them.
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By rushing, Warner is taking a huge risk that general audiences are going to give a shit about the characters they're stuffing into a MOS sequel, without giving those characters a few hours of their own to develop personalities. The reason Avengers worked is due the fact that most people had a pretty good idea of each character, and taking those characters and pitting them at odds in a film was interesting and ultimately incredibly entertaining. That doesn't work if they tried doing Avengers first and then spinning off. There wouldn't be enough time in a 3 hour film to give potential new comers Flash, WW, Lantern and Aquaman time to develop enough character and personality to actually make people care about them. Look at Green Lantern. You see Sinestro and the rest of the corps for all of, what, 10 minutes, if that? I didn't give a shit about any of those characters and they literally have no memorable moments in the film and were there soley to get into the film and progress the plot. That's what I can see happening if WB doesn't just accept that Marvel is miles ahead of them and gives in to making singular films for their heroes before making a JL film. Hell, I can see it as an advantage for them doing that. At that point, Marvel will have been around so long, with some characters possibly losing steam, that general audiences may be even more inclined to give different characters under different styles a try. |
The reality here is the superhero movie sub-genre is probably finite in terms of returns (young adult fantasies are already catching up) and WB simply can't risk spending the better part of a decade building up to a movie only we would care about when it launches.
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Regardless of the various degrees of success in film, WB could have done themselves a huge favor if they had signed on the talent from previous movies such as JGL as Batman or Ryan Reynolds as GL. At least then, movie goers would know these characters as established.
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I would have accepted that.
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Did anyone ever think gen. audiences would give a shit about an Avengers movie? Nobody cared about Iron Man, Capt America or Thor prior to Marvel deciding it was time to give those characters their own films and build them up for a team up. If Avengers had come out after Iron Man, it would not have been the same and dare I say, the success of that film, the films around it, and Marvel as a franchise would not be the same. By building, WB is giving gen. audiences a chance to care about a team up film when it finally does launch. How is building hype instead of just rushing to pay off a bad risk? I'm not getting it. |
I don't think people would buy JGL as Batman. Bruce Wayne is always a safe bet. But it could have worked.
GL was such a disaster. I wonder if they ever had any idea about a sequel after the film was released. They clearly had one prior to such. |
The risk is people not caring by the time they do it. Your argument hinges on these movies maintaining their returns. It may stay consistent if they do it the Marvel way, but it may not. And WB/DC are the kind of people who are scared to death of taking risks.
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There's also risk in assuming people other than those like us want to see a JL team up and would shell out enough money to meet a successful return on a team up of heroes nobody has seen before.
Feel like the Marvel way is the best way. The only team up that would make sense at this point is Batman v Superman just because of the way the first film ended and the obvious casting to this point. |
By the way, didn't see it mentioned here, but I saw this on Batman-News. Pertaining to Lex Luthor in the film...
SPOILER: show Interesting... |
Let's also consider that Marvel has MUCH more freedom to stay true to their characters and story lines since they have their own studio (though that may change or may not with Disney).
I'm not entirely sure DC has this freedom with the WB. |
WB owns DC, right? Figured that would give them even more flexibility.
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Yes and no. Consider that WB is, first and foremost, a television media company, they naturally will want much more control over that.
Disney is a general company now, with parks, tv, their own character roster, movies, games, etc. I think they're a little more open to letting their franchise branches do whatever theyre gonna do, so long as it stays semi-kid friendly. Besides, Disney purchased Marvel after they had established their Avengers roster with their own films. It was after that that Disney saw Marvel as something profitable. Doubt they cared about comics prior to then (and still probably dont). |
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As for needing separate movies, it may not be necessary for DC like it was for Marvel. I mean almost everyone knows Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and their stories. I'd say most even know Aquaman if he's to be used. Green Arrow and Flash have their own tv series' that have explained their origins. All that's really left is the Martian Manhunter and Cyborg. Manhunter would probably be the trickiest to work into this story though. Although maybe an alien from yet another planet could feed Lex's delusions and schemes. You also have to wonder which Lantern they will be using. Jordan is explained already even if the movie did leave some to be desired. However the Rock has sent out several tweets mentioning: #LanternCanWhupSuperman #JohnStewartCanStillWhupSupermansAss So that could be more time used as well if it's true. |
Batman and Superman, yes. WW? Flash? Lantern? No. Outside of the two landmark heroes, none of DC's other properties have received any relevant mainstream attention in decades, if at all.
Wonder Woman was popular in the 70s, and that's been it for her. Aquaman, Lantern, Cyborg, Manhunter, etc. have received little to no exposure, save the occasional JL animated film. They're not on the level of recognition that Bats and Supes are. Banking on the general audience knowing them and their stories is ludicrous to me. There's been zero exposure on almost any relevant scale for any of those characters. Lantern's movie was awful. I mean, really awful. Maybe one of the worst major comic book movies in the current era after Batman Begins kicked everything off in 2005, followed by the Marvel movement. Both Hulk movies had what the other didn't; Hulk had a better back story, and was a better written film, but lacked compelling action. Incredible Hulk had a shit ton of high paced action, a better score, IMO, but the story wasn't as compelling. I'd say they're about even, but are far from bad. Especially compared to Green Lantern. And while Arrow and Flash have their own shows, there's been zero indication that either of those characters' continuities will be integrated into MOS' world. And God, I hope the Rock does not play Lantern. Like, seriously hope. |
Even if the actors and shows aren't integrated, and Green Arrow may not even be in the JLA movie, at least people will know the Flash's origins and the basics of what he's about just like with Green Lantern. Even if you didn't care for the movie it did explain what Hal was about and how he got his powers and that's all that is really needed to feed him into the story, unless they go with John Stewart and even then Oa, the rings and the corp are already established. Maybe they aren't established in this "universe" but it would be easy enough to bleed it all over and change the tone.
Nobody is on the level of recognition Batman or Superman are DC or Marvel. They have 75 years of pop culture behind them. Iron Man was essentially a nobody to the public before his movie and look at him now. He's the face of their franchise. Batman and Superman are the face of DC and they are already established, and I would argue that Wonder Woman is too. Would it have been nice to have a refresher for her? Sure, but she will be easy enough to explain. The rest are just ancillary characters to this movie so they only need to be so fleshed out and this will provide the entry point for them and the JLA movie can expand even more on it kind of like Hawkeye and Black Widow were done with Avengers. |
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Seriously DC needs to step up they're getting their ass kicked Then again it might be a case of you want this done fast or do you want it done right? |
I think it's option C. You don't want this done the same summer as Avengers 2.
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Didn't Dark Knight Rises come out the same summer as the Avengers? I think we're overestimating how worried they are about the Avengers.
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Well it was a Nolan film is a celebrated trilogy. I have to imagine Avengers 2 was at least on the 'cons' list of sticking to the date.
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They are delaying so that The Flash show can get started and can get to a certain point before Flash makes an appearance in the movie.
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Wonder if people will have gotten sick of comic book movies by 2021.
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nah probably not
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Keep the stories compelling and varied in tone, and I highly doubt it. George Reeves played Superman on TV for 6 consecutive years BUT THAT WAS in an era where entertainment options were less (and less varied).
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you kinda contradicted your point there...
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You're right. I blame the lack of sleep I've had recently. Editied the post to make the point better.
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Not saying it was the main factor, just that it was certainly on the list of cons that they'd go up against a powerhouse. At this rate, with Phase 2 movies rivaling The Avengers in quality, Cap 3 will probably still be a challenge.
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That's what I was thinking. To me personally the singles movies that weren't Iron Man sequels have been better than the Avengers.
But then again I've enjoyed Man of Steel and the Wolverine more than any of those movies so I'm in the minority. |
I can't believe that you guys are still discussing about this horrible movie project. For fuck's sake, it is going to be directed by Snyder, have some respect for yourself.
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I have enjoyed many of Zack Snyder's movies, I have no respect for myself.
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"What did you think, that deep down everyone was as ugly as you? You're alone."
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I was hammered. Cut me some slack.
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It's okay. Snyder does fucking suck.
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Holly Hunter has joined the cast of the untitled Superman vs. Batman movie, as well as Callan Mulvey and Tao Okamoto, according to The Hollywood Reporter. All three will appear as new characters created for the movie.
Mulvey can currently be seen as Scyllias in 300: Rise of an Empire, and has a minor role as Jack Rollins in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Okamoto played Logan’s love interest Mariko in The Wolverine. The Superman vs. Batman movie is slated for May 6, 2016 (see “Ouch! 'Superman/Batman' Movie Bumped to 2016”). |
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Ray Fisher cast to play Cyborg (the Teen Titan/Justice League member, not the Superman villain) in this movie
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lol what.
There you have it, they're two or three members shy of a full blown JLA film. I'm not hating on the prospect, either. Go for it. |
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1
Ummm, what's with Eisenberg as Luthor? Is this confirmed or is the imdb staff just tryin' to be funny? |
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Introducing almost every JLA character in a single film...what a rush job. Just call it JLA and cross your damn fingers people give a shit.
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I still think its pretty stupid to call it Batman vs Superman. Hopefully they change it
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Depends on the plot. If it's literally them two at odds with each other trying to fend of Luthor, then the title is perfect. They don't have to fight physically to make the title work. They could just clash personality wise the entire movie and have the title fit.
The part I don't like is stuffing all these rumored JLA characters into the film. For one, it takes away from Supes' movie. He had all of one film to himself. Putting Batman in is interesting and different, so, even though I am somewhat against it, I get why they would do it. But trying to fit WW, Cyborg, Lantern, Flash etc into a 2.5 hour film that's a sequel to a stand alone Supes film is a huge risk in both making a good Superman film and giving enough time for the rest of the characters to matter. We shall see. I would have much rather seen them just use Bats as a secondary character, spin him off to his own, new, rebooted series, and then start spinning off from there, having each film connect with one another via cameos or whatever. |
Isn't it a working title anyway?
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So far, yeah. I'm still holding out on "The World's Finest".
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