Really wish that triple threat match up lasted longer, but great episode.

Was it just me or was Ra's reveal just "meh" in general?

Pretty "meh" because he didn't do the "dramatic slow turn reveal". Just suddenly random close up shot of face.

You gotta do the "dramatic slow turn reveal". That's the way these things work!


Also, thought Oliver letting Merlyn go was pretty dumb. If that prison was good enough for Slade Wilson, it should be good enough for Merlyn. Or if you are really worried that you can't hold him anywhere, just give him lots of drugs to keep him sedated all the time. Dude's still human.

LJ Knose

Yeah I don't get why Oliver didn't at least tried to tie him up or something. Would have been the right thing to do.

Also Nysaa came really close to killing Oliver last night. That might have been his closes call yet. I stand by my prediction Nyssa will be a full fledge cast member at some point. She seems to fit in well.

Yeah but isn't Merlyn more dangerous than a non mirakau Slade Wilson?

Either way Oliver was wrong for not attempting to "arrest" him.

Read that as "really close to kissing Oliver" and thought that would be a weird triangle for sure.

NEED MORE WILDCAT

Finally.... Lock Jaw is BACK and will be watching tonight's episode LIVE.

Going to watch an origin story for Felicity tonight.

Get pumped yo

STFU

I enjoyed tonight's episode. Apparently everyone who "died" five years ago didn't really die.... widespread conspiracy.....

On that note it would be hilarious if that guy Oliver's dad shot on the life raft ended up surviving as apart of that widespread conspiracy.


I didn't see the twist coming tonight. It really surprised me. That was good stuff.

Thea is a smoke show

Yeah.... I like her haircut, and the fact that despite being rich she never seems to be able to afford a whole shirt. :shifty:

Wtf episode

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Trailer thing for a bunch of upcoming episodes....

What's everyone's take on Season 3 so far?

Yeah, I love it, but I would admit so far the season premiere and the 2nd episode were definitely the best so far. The other 3 haven't lived up to those 2 episode.

Also what are the theories in Roy? I agree that with that prevalent theory it's misplaced guilt from another incident manifesting itself.

Also I want to see more Hong Kong. I don't really know what endgame is there.

That was a really good trailer btw.

Off topic... Do the people who make trailers get paid a lot? It seems like most trailers are good, and therefore be a well paying good. I don't know maybe it's the opposite where it's underpaid overqualified people doing them.

Either just wondering.

What would you define as 'a lot'?

Excellent question...

Do they make $100,000 a year.

I liked them doing a zeppo episode for Felicity Smoak. Very fun ep and long overdue.

Most likely in that range. It tough to say because they are generally made by a team. There's a producer, a director, and editor, and post. But generally I would say that yes, they make 'a lot' of money.

I must say I'm a fan of college Felicity. Not just the look, but managing to make the opening lines of Zork sound sexy.

Laurel as Black Canary 2:

I really enjoyed this one tonight.

Seems like every season has been about Arrow training someone up into vigilanteism...feel like after Black Canary theyre going to have to find a new song to sing

I enjoyed the episode....

I hope that sometime this season we see Ted Grant come temporarily out of vigilante retirement, with a new costume.

Yeah that whole thing was awesome.

Fuckin a

Yeah yeah yeah..... Just watched it.

Had the feeling that the mine would have Dwarf Star material in it.

BUSINESS has just picked up!

About time you watched. C'mon how great was it?

Cupid should be revisited at another time. I enjoyed her.

I'm sure we'll see her in the Suicide Squad spin-off!









Which they should make. Shamelessly copy Marvel and have a "mini-series" to play in between the mid-season break like Marvel is doing with Agents of Shield/Agent Carter.

I'm sure with the announced film, though, we have no chance of a Suicide Squad spin-off anymore.

You could still see them in Arrow though. They could get 1 episode a year.

Not impossible

Yeah, but I'm greedy and want a spin-off.

The Arrow needs to go against the squad one time.

How come H.I.V.E hasn't been brought up in the last year? Something has to be going on there.

I feel like Diggle should wear a mask or something. If they can ID him then they can likely make out who Arrow and Arsenal are.

Was just thinking about this when Arrow and Diggle were snooping around Cupid's place in the last episode.

I think preferred this part of the crossover.

Next week looks badass.

Yeah, this part of the crossover was better. Loved the episode.

This actually bothers me greatly about the show... only slightly more than the forced "requisite CW melodrama moments" that seem to be written in after the script is already done. Kind of like G.I. Joe PSAs, but cheesier.

But yeah, Dig needs a mask. That occasional bank robber ski mask isn't doing it- especially when he's only worn it like twice ever. Also, they play fast and loose with using their real names for eachother in public as it is, and all the masks and hoods in the world isn't going to stop someone from noticing an obviously undisguised Diggle calling his companion Oliver if they didn't already catch on from... well, and undisguised Diggle.

Holy Shit! Arrow is at it's best when it just goes non-stop, and that's what it was right until the end.

That was really good.

That wouldn't have happened to Batman.

Maybe because Ra's respects Batman, not to mention that Batman is the father of his grandson.

Or because Batman could kick his ass.

I think Ray Palmer and Laurel step up now, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ray move into the Arrow cave in the near future.

I'm wondering who is can be the one to save Oliver? Someone we know? A new person?

Also if I'm a writer on Arrow I'm making Laurel Black Canary in the next epiosde. Laurel is at her best when she is happy, and her being Canary would be as close as you can get.

Also 2 things that I'm not really sure work anymore.

1) Laurel still not telling her Father about Sara. I'm not sure if that's still an intriguing plot line. I think Detective Lance has to find out.
2) Why can't Thea know that Oliver is the Arrow? Thea not knowing he is The Arrow is defintely not an intriguing plot line. Last night is even more interesting if she knows about Oliver's secert.

Whoa.... Good stuff.... Dammit all at having to wait....

Guess we're getting a Lazarus Pit appearance..... but who will be the one to find his mangled corpse and toss him in? Asian guy? Katana, assuming she survived like everyone from his flashbacks?

I hope someone who can teach Oliver some more martial arts so he can beat Ra's the next time they fight.

The last thing Oliver sees being Felicity tugged at my heart quite a bit.

Maybe an eight year old Connor Hawke

Arrow is back tonight, Lock Jaw. Time to get pumped.

I enjoyed it tonight, and I'm glad it's back. Roy impressed me tonight for the first time I think. Still has a long way to go

That alpha and omega stuff is pretty powerful.

Also Laurel really looked like a girl when she swung that staff.

These mountains can't be that far from the city, because traveling back and forth between the two is really easy apparently.

Really enjoyed the episode, as can be expected....

Felicity was on point tonight character-wise......

Brick seems like a cool heel as well. However, I kind of want to see him taken down by the current non-Oliver crew, while Ollie is regaining his strength.

Also, again, Diggle really needs a mask.

Also, why is Amanda Waller trusting a novice with all of these important missions? I get that you want to use the guy and train him up.... but using him as one of the key people in a mission to recover a deadly virus that can kill millions? Yeah... maybe you want to use some of your more experienced people....

She probably is setting him up to take some kind of fall.

I loved this episode more than most of the series, despite the lack of current day Arrow. Maybe because of the large amounts of character development.

I am pumped. Laurel has to show me something tonight.

90% of tonight was incredible. One of the best episodes in the entire series.

Dunno about that, but was a solid ep

Vinny Jones has done well for himself. I liked the mini Dark Knight Rises arc it has going for itself right now.

Laurel is a pretty big negative though. It's good that she's not that good at being, and getting beat up a lot... Still

Yeah, Vinny Jones real good...


Was hoping for a Ted Grant appearance... would have been good to have him appear, give Laurel a little "motivational boost" and also remind "the viewers" that she has been training.

Yeah he should play a bigger role. It would be hard to find time for him though.

Also how terrible is Laurel's Black Canary costume? We have covered Laurel physical appearance earlier in this thread(mid season 2), but that costume is not doing her any favors. I kind of feel like she is going to have a short shelf life has Black Canary. I don't see her going through season 4... Also when her Dad does eventually find out about Sara he better have a heart attack to justify for Laurel not telling him. It's totally ridiculous.

I know the heroes are "busy".... but I keep wondering why they just do nothing about Malcolm Merlyn....

Dude pulled the strings to have Sara killed (via Thea) and then sending Ollie out to likely die...

But all they really do is talk to him and warn him not to do anything ELSE.

I agree, but they can't do anything to him. He would kill all of them.

Now if they turn him over to League they will end up killing Thea. Then question would become would they really kill Thea since she was under mind control basically? Wouldn't Ra's Ah Ghul understand?

Surely they can at least try to concoct some plan to "outsmart" him, knowing they can't beat him in a fight.

Like how they concocted a plan to "outsmart" Slade Wilson.

That was Oliver who concocted that plan though. Even with Oliver I don't think they can outsmart him. He did have two earthquake machines after all. That dude thinks of everything.

Also episode 17 is entitled Suicidal Tendencies, and it is another Suicide Squad episode.

The more I see her acting, the more I wonder why Rila Fukushima wasn't the first choice to be Katana. Phone must be ringing off the hook with offers. Doing a damn good job as a last minute replace.

Agreed with what's being said about Laurel. Was totally hoping Ted Grant would drop in somehow and kick things up a notch. With the way things are going, I ain't digging Black Canary 2.0.


And I saw Caity Loitz's name in the credits. Did they seriously just bring her in for a voiceover that episode?

The Atom revealed:

I'm waiting till it makes it apparence on TV before I see it.

Might be the conclusion of the Arrow Rising Triology tonight.

I loved it.

Poor Oliver

Ehhhh... I'm just not feeling Merlyn... it just pushes it a bit for me how they are fitting him in now that he is a main cast member....

Rolled my eyes when Roy was trying to defend him, and throw "the undertaking" in a rosy positive light of Merlyn just trying to do good.

Felicity is pretty much the only one reacting like how they should all react.

Also...

Ollie was stabbed in what looked like his heart (but yet only had bandages on his stomach) and tossed off a cliff.... must be some damn good medicine to bring a guy back from that... I hope this is expanded on further, because right now it is also pushing incredulity.

Yeah you aren't wrong. I do think he needs Merlyn to train him in order to beat Rhu's, but obviously Merlyn is going to screw him in the end.

I feel like Oliver should have been away for longer to recuperate as well. Maybe there is some sort of mystical healing he had after all?

Also looks like next week is going to be a Laurel centric episode... Not loving that.

I love Laurel..,

That's good she needs people to love her. There isn't many out there.

She's just kind of a buzz kill.

She is alright. Just looked weird in season 2. Think she has improved in the current season.

I knew he came back at one point.

Totally dislike Laurel has Black Canary. Not feeling it at all. Other then that good stuff. Thea, did have a good quick turn on Malcolm Merlyn there.

Yeah it was pretty quick but for 90% of the series she was Oliver's number one fan.

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That's pretty awesome.

I liked the episode overall tonight with Oliver finding his purpose. I also enjoyed some origins for the characters and places. Also a funny line or two about the near future.

What importance does this General have, Lock Jaw?

Is it me or did Felicity look really hot tonight?

Felicity was INCREDIBLY hot in this episode as always.

What I'm wondering is when Slade's Mirakuru will no longer be dormant. I say that because I think unlike everyone else he'll get it back in his own not because it was in him for years, but because the cure was made from Roy's blood so it makes sense that everyone whose Mirakuru came from his blood to be cured but Slade's obviously wasn't.

Good episode, yeah....

Not sure about the General... his name is familiar....

Oh, ok.

General Matthew Shrieve was the leader of the "Creature Commandos" in the comics... a "commando unit" made of "monsters" like a frankenstein creature, werewolf, mummy, vampire, etc.... and a robot.

Hmmm I wonder if we will see any of that weird stuff.

I'm not sure if there's a worse character on a good show than Laurel. Every scene she's in makes me consider if I want to carry on watching this.

I'm really tired of these flashback-heavy episodes. I know they're an important part of the back story, but I feel like the last couple episodes haven't been balanced very well. Every time the "real-time" story starts to build up some momentum, a flashback happens and the narrative slams on the brakes for four minutes while Waller yells at Young Ollie for a segment.

I don't mind them in general but this last episode was pretty meh for me, especially with the excellent Flash episode the day before. I realize this isn't a fair comparison but it does come up all the time.

Yeah the flashbacks have been the weaker parts of every episode since they left the island, and its generally bringing down the quality of season 3 for me, along with Slade not being around bar this last episode.

Yeah, the flashbacks have gone downhill since leaving the island and also not having Slade Wilson in them anymore.

I'm willing to give the season 3 flashback a pass, because I know it's building to something really important. I'm willing to wait till I give a final say.

I always defended until recently. I've found that that main character" long time love interest is always kind of hated on most shows so I gave th benfit of the doubt with that in mind. However the whole Laurel being Black Canary doesn't so anything for me. I don't have a short term interest let alone long term interest in seeing her being Canary. I don't see her lasting very long.

I do feel that killing off Sara Lance was a mistake in the long run. Sara Lance far more interesting a character and looked better in the suit than Laurel.

Also felt that Sara's story didn't end so great in season 2 and I wanted more from it. Struggling to get out and not be a killer the whole season and then she pretty much just happily rejoins at the end....

Hype going around the interwebs is saying tonight is supposed to be a big time episode.

Although I really do hate the fade to black gunshot cliché ending cliffhanger episodes, so I'm tempted to just pass tonight and watch it in the morning.

That was good.

Ray Palmer has to die though.

Uhhh... what?

Merlyn captured, everyone pointing out that he still has that video of Thea killing Sara.... and Ollie is just all "He's bluffing, he would never show them"

.....

Was that not the whole point of his first confrontation with Ra's? Merlyn saying he would show the video unless Oliver went and challenged Ra's?

I agree... Counter point

Oliver didn't yet know that Merlyn really did care about Thea at the point.

Breaking news:

Deadline reporting that another possible Arrow/Flash spin-off is in the works. Brandon Routh (Ray Palmer), Victor Garber (Martin Stein), Wentworth Miller (Captain Cold), and Caity Lotz (Sara Lance/Canary) are listed as the expected stars. Plus "three major DC Comics characters who have never appeared in a TV series".

According to Deadline, the project may go straight to series, possibly with a midseason debut.