Supes v The League is the best scene in the movie

Too bad Affleck seems done at this point. The DCEU really seems like a 'thing' now.

Feels like nobody can be arsed with the DCEU but they're kinda at a point where they've invested too much time and money to pull the plug and start again.

Put nothing past WB. I'm watching Flashpoint very closely.

They kinda can't tho. Aquaman is already done filming, and wonder woman 2 is being written. I hope wb backs up a Mac truck of budget money and green lit projects to Affleck's house to convince him to stay on. I dream of a Matt Reeves trilogy staring Batfleck and maybe one more JL movie with him.

Henry is fucking giddy about his attitude reboot.

He's been so on board with being Superman since getting cast. I love it. I hope he gets a proper film series as well.

I wonder how they bring Clark Kent back to life.... I mean, he was already walking the streets as Clark at the end of this one.... but it seems suspicious if Clark and Superman both come back from the dead at the same time..... (and suspicious in general for any human to come back from the dead)

Not that Clark or his secret identity have been really built up or used at all in the movie universe. Seemed like everyone knew he was Clark Kent and he wasn't really hiding it. Even in Justice League, Lois was shouting his secret identity in front of police officers.

I'm hoping Flashpoint maybe resets things a bit for Superman and Batman to fix the "problems" with them.

Good opportunity to recast Batman, fix The Joker's look, maybe add Damian Wayne to the mix.

Also good opportunity to tweak Superman's continuity a bit, make Jonathan Kent not have been a dick, really firmly establish Clark as his primary character.

I think they need to stay away from drawing attention to a recast more than it will on its own. It's not like they played Clark Kent up as this big reporter. How they bring him back will be interesting, but Lois saying Clark in front of cops doesn't really give his identity away. It's a common name.

The joker can fix his look just because he's the fucking joker. Changing his face isn't out of the realm of believability.

What is this flashpoint talk?

Are they merging the CW stuff with the movies or something?

No. The rumor was the Flash movie would be called Flashpoint

Not a rumour anymore

Assuming it even gets made. At least one director has dropped out. Tho I think Ezra was very well received so I can see them pushing forward on getting him his own film.

He mentions knowing gorilla sign language, did maybe a gorilla Grodd movie

Flashpoint is the most sensible way to correct any lingering issues the universe has at that point.

Maybe. I think if you use it to reset and recast it'll just confuse the general audience.

Meanwhile JL finished opening weekend under $100 mil. Hugely disappointing and likely to flop. I am very curious to see how this'll effect things going forward and how quick wb is going to be to react

I think audience reactions are much more positive so the low sales wont hurt as bad. I think wondy was such a success that they'll be forgiving for its underperformance

(Audience reaction is mostly "meh" but thats a hyge upswing from OUTRAGE and people mostly agree the characters are good)

But still, money talks. And it's likely going to take a loss. We shall see.

Who'd have ever thought the justice league movie would be a bomb.

All of us. The one thing we all agreed on is the concept overall was rushed and not earned.

I'm so down for a JL vs Legion of Doom movie, tho. That was legit hype.

They need to rebuild a lot of goodwill if they every plan on getting that far

Its important to note that the poor opening weekend isnt a critique on JL but on BvS. While JL was definitely mediocre i think the goodwill building has begun...though the road to a "come back" will be... long.

But the box office will still hurt and that's what wb execs are gonna look at. I agree bvs is the reason people aren't going to see Justice League. But it hurts the film all the same

And for that reason snyder will be out the door

I don't buy for one second that he stepped down. I think he was fired and to save face, they used his daughter's suicide as an out for him to walk away without humiliating him.

agreed

Agreed, was the best part of the movie. Looking forward to it building similar to how the Avengers formed over time. I'm not big on the direction they seem to be taking the movies but am interested in seeing Legion of Doom/Injustice League.

Just hire George Miller to do the justice league sequel

In the films 2nd week at the box office JL will finish in 2nd place to disneys Coco with $60 mil comjng in over the long weekend.

Jusice League is set to be DCs poorest return to date.

The more I think about this movie, the more I enjoyed it..... but I think for me a lot of it has to do with being a DC guy. To me it is like, Avengers are ok but THESE are the characters I want to see on the big screen.

I still think the first Avengers movie was better, but I'd watch Justice League over Age of Ultron any day of the week.

Actually, I'd probably watch it over the first Avengers movie too, even recognizing it as not being as good.

This movie was reeeeeealy close to getting it right. Missed the mark though.

I have never gotten the hate for Age of Ultron. Yes, its flàwed, mainly due large portions of the film being cut, but I still thought it was a really fun movie. People act like its dragonball evolution or something.

I think it's an ok movie, I don't hate it. Thought Justice League was even more ok, though.

Meh, I loved Age of Ultron but I guess I'm just a sucker for Marvel.

Its problem was the bar had reached mythical levels.

This is how I feel about this movie.

I've enjoyed Justice League in both showings. I know and can see the obvious flaws but the heroes work so well together it saves it.

Bvs hangover killing this movie tho. It being mediocre not helping word of mouth. Pixar movie opening the following weekend hurts too.

Wonder if Warner had just pushed the film back into 2028, let Whedon have more time to redevelop the film, and give the cgi for time of things would've been better.

An extra 11 years might have helped, yeah.

Huh, this barely made the budget.

Budget is 30mil pre marketing. Safe estimate is 450mil

Its doing well in china though. Will cover cost for sure. Profit margins will be far less than projections so stocks will take a hit

Really? I remember it only made 8 mill in the first 3-4 days in China.

@83mil in china right now

Its going to clear 500mil for certain. So it wont lose money. Return of investment is still looking to be poor but not abysmal

I think what DC really needs to turn things around is to make sure all their solo movies are really good. So hopefully Aquaman doesn't suck. Really worried about it.

Same. I think if its bad only wondy will draw

Dolph Lundgren is gonna be in Aquaman. It CANNOT suck.

No, but maybe it can sink.

I'll show myself out.

lol

Lockjaw's all wet

I just don't want WB to freak out because the second half of JL is honestly enjoyable and they can salvage what they have without some drastic bullshit like dumping the cinematic universe for something 'loosely tied'. They need to get over themselves if they think they're gonna make MCU money without the cohesion and creative effort MCU does. Even though Fox adopted a decentralized cinematic universe they still adhere to a core of X-Men films, with consistent actors. At least since Days.

We will see when the Justice League reboot hits in 2028. By then a MCU Squirrel Girl movie will still outgross it.

God damn fat finger itis

Really agree with the 2nd half sentiment. Maybe final 3rd, but sill

Joss should have been in charge of Superman from the word go.

The superman choice was top down. They wanted the universe to be grity, matching batman's tone. So everyone was to be more drab...course the end result was they lightened batman up. Which was the right call.

My point is dont blame snyder for that. He may have loved the idea but it wasnt his baby

Snyder stepped down from Justice League way before it was finished, cause of his daughter's suicide.

Kinda wonder if the actors playing Batman feel just a bit stupid when they're the only ones who always have to speak in a stupid voice. Well, except for Dark Knight Rises, Bane stole the show with his gibberish.

Film was in post production when synder left but my point was more during man of steal

Fair enough.

Ok, just watched this. It was ok, nothing great but I liked it. I really like the casting. Too b ad Aquaman was pretty fucking useless, he could at least slap Steppenwolf with a herring or something.

The concept is predicated on Superman pretending he needs help.

Right. Haven't read much DC books, but if I remember right it wasn't that obvious there. They somehow always came up with problems that could use the whole team, not everyone getting punched around till Supes decides to come over.

Its not like Supes doesn't have enemies that just beat his ass. Hell, The Batman Who laughs one-shotted him the second he showed up

Kryptonite?

Man of steel falls on Snyder and Goyer because it's their movie. Just because the studio wanted something darkahs gritty doesn't mean it needed to suck or top out and interestinglymediocre. Which is the best compliment I can give to any of the three Snyder films.

I also don't believefor one second he stepped down. His daughter passed well before he left the project. I think they saw his assembly cut and realized it sucked hard, so forced him out with Whedon finishing and salvaging it, saving face by letting him "stepdown" and "be with his family".

More like sucked the life from his body

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. The family issue could have just built up on him and WB was... more than understanding that he had to step down.

Magic then?

What does Joker-Batman actually do? Besides make Kara do really bad things. lol

I honestly can't see how he stepped down without being forced. He finished the movie. Was already into pre production. Maybe he was stressed sure, but I think he finishes the film and releases whatever train wreck he played if they didn't force him out

Maybe he's more a team player than we realize? After the shame of BvS was fresh over him at that point.

Biggest fuckup with BvS was the ending. A fucking kryptonite spear. Why exactly Wonder woman couldn't use it? You know, as opposed to the guy who can die because of it?

Women cant use spears

Ah, right. Neither can bats. Makes sense.

Aquaman grunting > Batman grunting

Rumor until I find a credible source:


TL; DR version- WB execs put out a bad movie on PURPOSE for a quick payday.

Here's a timeline to explain-

-After the Batman trilogy, WB wanted Nolan to do Superman- but Nolan said no and instead pushed for Snyder (a family friend).

-During Man of Steel and BvS, Warner Brothers execs didn't even read Snyder's notes on the films... instead just trusting him.

- The President and The CEO of WB hated BvS so much that they wanted to fire Snyder from JL... but it was set to begin filming the following week so they kept him on and sent in a babysitter to oversee everything.
-Warner Brothers hated the direction JL was going and kept trying to get Snyder to change things, which he would but it was difficult and stressful for him.

-Snyder was about to quit or get fired when the tragedy happened with his family. He choose to get lost in the work and go all in to separate himself from the tragedy. He made it worse.

-Huge pressure from WB execs at this point who were understanding of what Snyder was facing in real life, but they were very against the movie. They called it a Frankenstein movie and said it was incoherent and made no sense and way too dark.

-Snyder quits to attend to his family.

***-INSTEAD of delaying the movie into 2018, WB CEO and President decide to bring in another director and throw in $100m studio money for reshoots for a quick turn around (This includes down to things like the infamous CGI over Superman's lip being done poorly- because they didn't have the time/resources) and to keep the release date BECAUSE if the movie was released in 2017 they would be able to apply it to their bonus checks for the year and get $$$$... but they were both sure they wouldn't have a job in 2018 so if the movie released then, they wouldn't get the bonus.

WB execs made a conscious decision to release a poor product which they acknowledged would be bad- simply because it would mean $ up front for them.

That's the least believable part.

Also WB wouldn't give a damn about coherency. I mean, the whole theory is predicated on WB knowing what a good or bad movie is before the fact, and they fucking don't. And one thing that will never be true in the entertainment industry is purposefully allowing garbage to be attached to your name.

A bad movie or game is attributed to incompetence, not malice. And Joss would never be in on a hack job. This is all salty conspiracy theory.

Joss would never do a hack job? He was a script doctor for over decade. lol

If you have a script that needs fixing Joss is your guy

They should've shit canned Snyder after man of steel. The idea itself was interesting but never went anywhere and turned into disaster/destruction porn after the first hour or so.

They made a massive mistake giving Snyder free run on bvs as that turned out to be a flaming turd. Not sure what they were expecting with JL.

Ideally Snyder never touches any of these properties ever again. He's consistently delivered poor results, and has yet to replicate the success of the Nolan films from a critical or box office standpoint. The only film close is Wonder Woman, and that's not his movie

I'm not sure what they ever saw in him. He's consistently delivered divisive films. Never read it, but have been told by multiple people the point of Watchmen was heroes are normal flawed people just like the rest of us. Didn't get that vibe in Snyder's adaptation of it. 300 was ok, but again, panel for panel adaptation. His own take on characters are horrible. Sucker Punch is one of the worst films I've heard of. Never watched it.

I think they'll continue on with the shared universe but it won't be strictly adhered to. Like, Wonder Woman is obviously in the same universe, but it's its own thing and not dependant. I hope Aquaman is like that. And from the looks of it based on early comments, Reeves is doing his own thing with Batman, saying it's the same Batman but keeping the movie contained in its own world.

I think that's what's best for DC. Make good to great standalone films for a handful of years and actually build towards something. And when the timing is right and the stories make sense, bring the league back.

I'm hoping we get to see the Superman from the end of this film in his own go around. I know Matthew Vaughn wanted to do a sequel. Hopefully it's what we get. I love Cavill and I loved him in JL.

TL;DR- Snyder sucks and should've been canned in 2013, keep doing what Jenkins did with WW and focus on good single stories, make Superman great again and worry about a team up later when it matters.

Film finally passes 500mil

I guess what we'd call a hack job are two different things.

That or you dont know what films he did as a script doctor


Waterworld, speed, twister, the quick and the dead.

Hes literally my fav writer in hollywood an i own every thing he's done. Fanboy doesn cut it. But joss will totally take a pay check. Thats what script doctors do. They take turds and try and make them watchable.

This is what he did until 97 when he left to gp do buffy.

And thats what they did here. They cut him a check and said save our turd.

And like he did in the past he took a broken movie and made it average

Which is a testement to his strength as a script doctor

Should honestly just hire the Russo brothers to do all serious toned superhero movies from now on.

Funny thing is, Script Doctor is what I do call him. I just wouldn't say hack job.

Then youre being wayyyyy too nice

That's fine.

Story is confirm via hollywood reporter.

Hollywood Reporter sheep,,,,,,,,

lol

Ezra Miller doesn't know how to run.

Movie did feel minor leagues compared to Marvel movies though. I enjoyed it overall.

I think they should do it like they do their animated stuff have your continuity or whatever

but have stand alones You don't always need to be telling part of a larger story

I said this about BvS and I will say the same about this movie... they are live-action DC Animated Movies. I like the animated DC films. That's the style of these movies, and thats not a bad thing in my opinion. I watched it once, I'll watch it again, and it will grow on me.