........

Fuck this Company.

Crowd is dead silent.

Fuck him. Sick of his ten mile rants of idiocy.

On the plus side, Smackdown also has matches at Wrestlemania.

Dead fucking silent.

This ppv fucking sucked

Its strange to think that the first 3 Universal champions are Finn Balor, Kevin Owens, and Goldberg. Vince didnt "make" any of them. Wow.

I'm also thinking wow and unbelievable Jerry, but I doubt we'd agree on the reasons why.

This really was the worst show since December to Dismember. My god this was horrible.

But... but... Vince only pushes his own boys!

I think i'm just going to watch Smackdown from here on out.

Another WM coming up where I'm looking more forward to NXT and the Raw after.

This ppv should be a big reason why WWE going every 2 weeks for a ppv was a bad idea or at least get rid of the ppvs between Rumble and Mania to put all the focus on a stronger Road to Mania build.

The absolute amusing thing will be if the fans shit all over Goldberg Lesnar at WM like they did at XX.

Oh get the fuck out of here.

How do they build a Goldberg vs Lesnar title match when both of them only work 1 week a month?

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Goldberg will probably get a better pop on RAW with the belt than after an exhausted crowd from a sub par show.

I did not enjoy this PPV.

Roman Reigns has problems with raccoons. lol

Gallagher/Neville was good. Literally everything else sucked.

Bayley/Charlotte was good.

I didn't see the first hour or pre-show.

I justified Punk losing to Rock because Punk had a long and fruitful run as champion.

Kevin JUST became the champ. And it was his first world title. I wanted him to be a more savage champ after parting with Jericho, but....guess we won't. not right now anyway.

That was one of the worst PPV's I've seen in a long time. Not quite December to Dismember bad, but not far behind.

I found that match to be very sloppy. Worst PPV match for Charlotte since she's been on the main roster. Nonsensical booking as well.

So was Joe/Zayn and Neville/Gallagher

August isn't "just"

Dude. He outlasted most attitude Era reigns.

Bayley/Sasha look like they got a 2 for 1 deal on shitty jackets.

I don't mean "just" in terms of time. He spent most of this tenure palling around with Jericho. It was funny and all, but it never felt like his reign was an actual world title reign.

lol, that's not really saying much, but I feel you.

I didn't even really feel Zayn/Joe that much. Felt like a standard TV match really. They should have better matches against each other down the line.

I thought for sure the plan might be to have Strowman beat whoever the champion was after WM. Then Roman pins him clean. So obviously yeah...

Did I fall into a time warp and it is 1998 again?

Jesus, STD was being extra STD-like throughout this entire thread. Unnecessary corrections and such on nearly every page.

At least Goldberg's kid kept his shirt on this time.

And then Paul Heyman and Jerry Lawler were sitting there and I thought it was 1988.

I know it was hot potato times but you're looking at the Rock and Austin's reigns Owens did ok. Hell he even outlasted most of HHH's pre-WHC reigns.

Hey guys, I'm here. I too watched the show.

Wish they had given more time to Zayn/Joe. I guess they needed to save time for Rusev/Mahal/New Day filler.

Match of the night was the Cruiserweight title Neville vs. Gallagher.........

Both women matches I enjoyed, but still befuddled at the booking decision of Bayley getting all these "big moments" now and not leaving anything for Wrestlemania.

I knew Roman and Goldberg were probably winning, but still drained my soul a bit watching it happen......

I am ashamed to have appeared on this show and be in any way associated with it.

Feel the exact same way.......

Pretty "sickening" to my stomach that pretty much no champions will have held their titles for more than a month going into Mania.......

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Well this was the worst PPV I've sat through in years.

Yeah

Taker retires + Brock wins belt + probably a segment where Cena proposes to Bella and Rock comes out and helps him + New Day prob bring Hogan out for a cameo

Isn't Jericho still US Champion? So his match with Owens at WrestleMania will probably be for the secondary title and the two biggest stars on the brand will face off for the top title. Makes sense.

Though the idea of a heel Brock Lesnar going in as the challenger at WrestleMania and triumphantly taking the title from a face champion whom he hasn't been able to beat in his career seems ass backwards.

For this reason I was hoping the match would start and Owens would immediately kick Goldberg in the dick or get himself counted out, or Lesnar would run in or something. Basically whatever they could do to get Jericho/Owens, the best build program in the company on the heels of one of the best segments ever, into the main event program for Mania. Then you can have Goldberg/Lesnar be as short as you want elsewhere on the card instead of giving them the burden of having to work a WM level main event.

I knew it WOULDN'T happen that way, but I'd be far more interested in Mania if they did.

None of that sounds appealing to me really.

But then again Mania is no longer a show for the diehards.

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Heart- Edge cause it's a hug not a spear.

Haha-Christian cause he stole it from Edge and it sucks just as bad.

Wow- Big Show cause he's fucking huge.

Angry Face- Rhyno cause GORE! GORE GORE!

I would say that isn't true but would that be a correction too?

The fact like 10 posters have been constantly telling you about this for 6 months now and you still don't understand is insane.

Some of those 10 are the ones that also harass Owen. So, it's hard not to just think of it as bullshit bullying.

I don't think Fan, Vito, Noid, or myself harass Owen. And that is just who comes to mind right away.

Unless something changes WM isn't looking like being worth 10 bucks this year

I'm a big owenbrown fan, I'll have you know.

Is the guy in the green shirt a "well known wrestling fan" who is at a bunch of shows... I feel like I have seen him several times before but idk if I'm just imagining it

http://i.imgur.com/zoyqqPv.png

3 really great matches from this card

1. Flair v Bayley
2. Reigns v Strowman
3. Neville v Gallagher

Top notch from all 3

That was garbage. I really want to be positive, but that was horrendous.

So much filler for a special event. Time management so bad.

I don't even want to go through positives and negatives, I just know how I felt watching it. It was a chore for more than half of it, then just disappointment after that.

When you consider that this is being used to build the biggest show of the year, how can they not see that Raw is a mess.

yeah I am tired of looking at his weird al looking face on every show

Don't listen to these haters STD, you do you.

I woke up hoping Fastlane was all just a dream. A really bad dream.

It wasn't :(

I hope your Zelda game is put on backorder for another week.

I hope STD finds a way to correct what you just said.

He didn't actually say it. He posted it.

If you know Ruien as well as I do he reads all of his posts out loud.

Whoa whoa whoa...I didn't watch this, but are you guys telling me that Goldberg was involved in a squash match?

:lol:

:lol:


My thoughts exactly


I watched this show, and it was the first full PPV i've watched in years. Thought it was really good top to bottom. 3 absolute ACE matches and everyone else really getting thier time.


Side bar: spot of the night was int he tag tite match doing the double down out on the floor. Creative.

If you thought this, you are going to be delighted if you keep watching, because this was very poor compared to a lot of the offerings from last year.

Goldberg thing is disappointing, but it doesn't bother me necessarily.

All that work to Braun, to have him lose to Reigns of all people was predictable, but also disappointing in its own way.

The rest of the card (bar the cruiser match) was an episode of Raw, and a really average one at that.

When you put on two unscheduled filler matches with no heat or story in the middle of your show, it's because there is a complete lack of forward planning. It takes fans out of what is happening and puts a massive lull in the whole show.

A Reigns win and a 30 second main event was not the way to get them back after that, no matter how obvious or "logical" it may have been.

I really think you will be delighted if you keep watching if this was "really good top to bottom"

Also, a little side note. I find it amazing how they have taken Enzo and New Day, two over, fresh acts, and are in the process of doing them both to death to such a degree, that they are becoming the most annoying things on the show.

Positives so I am not a complete negative Nancy, Reigns-Joe should eventually be a great match, woman are excelling in matches despite being such a thin roster and the cruisers were finally unleashed with great results.

Ok I didn't watch the main event(only watched Joe/Sami) but my brother told me Jericho came out and distracted Owens. So dumb, would have been in Jerichos best interest to have Owens win.

How so?

It's not like they have a scheduled match at Mania yet.

Owens is a cowardly heel or a boss heel?

Despite the thoughts in this thread the crowd was hot all night.


Wins/losses only matter as to what you do with them after the fact. Someone loosing to the 2nd biggest draw in the company isnt a bad thing. Especially when its going to get you a fuck ton of heat too. When you slide an IWC darling over on Reigns its going to play really well later down the road. If done right you get sympathy from his fan base and you get upward momentum for *insert guy here.* Strowman isnt fired. That guy can work. He's absolutely going to be fine. Just a bunch of butt hurt coming from anything roman touches. It's amusing but really irrelevent.


Getting the belt off Steen was obviously a good move. He hasnt been doing much for any metric of success during his reign and the match will jericho will be the workrate darling match of the night (and should be very very good by all standards) going into mania. Everybody wins scenerio there. Goldberg squashes are clearly over, the crowd was hyped for a 10 min entrence and eating up 4 powders like it was crack.


Flair is just the best. Impossible not to praise her. Bayley bothced her own comeback but outside of that great match.


The "filler matches" were good. Being mad at thier existance is weird and illogical. Cards have to rise; have peaks and valleys. Same way you deliberately lul a crowd for the come back. These things are very important to climaxing a show right. Its a good structure.


The only downside to the opener is it had Joe in it. But as far as Joe matches go it wasnt the worst.

I thought they did. Had a whole segment on Raw about it before Owens turned on him. Still dumb even if they didn't, Goldberg already has his Mania match win or loose so that would leave KO without a opponent for Mania and Jericho could have inserted himself right in there.

That was Stupid!

At least Rock could wrestle longer than a minute/Way more popular than Goldberg.

Totally disagree that wins/losses don't matter. Like you say, it's key what happens after the fact, but I have seen it all before. What you said might be true of there were not examples going against that notion on this show. But there were enough examples even on last night's card of people who started to lose and never got back, including guys more talented than Strowman.

Rusev is a shorter term example of that, dismantled in Cena feud and he has never gotten back to what he was.

Big Show is a longer term example. Jobber to the stars that is worthless now for anything other than filler.

Don't care about Owens losing, but just question whether Goldberg is worth it. They obviously think he can't work a match anymore. It is sad that they need him to come in if that is indeed the case. The same with Taker at the Rumble...It was sad. He is over though, so whatever. Don't mind.

Love Flair too, already by favourite female of all time. She is a star.

Filler matches shouldn't be on a PPV, they have 3 hours a week to fully book a 3 hour special. Why have unannounced matches with guys like Jinder? This is not special event worthy and neither is Show demolishing Rusev. You can have ebb and flow without unannounced filler featuring job guys on "PPV"

No-one is right or wrong, if you enjoyed it, it is great for you, because I genuinely think they can do so much better.

The web fans never cease to have a moan. I don't know wtf they expected. Plus Jericho distracted Owens so he has that out. They paid a lot of money for Goldberg, why not maximize?

They'll get a longer match out of him at Mania, hopefully with plenty of bells and whistles to cover up his short comings. 8-10 minutes of physical brawling with Brock in a hard hitting match should be good.

Yeah, exactly. Biggest problem with arm chair bookers is they dont care about how the story ends, they want gratification and they want it last year. No long term vision.

The main event went as expected. I'm glad they at least had Jericho get involved.

Still, I just don't like the fact that five of the last six Manias will have featured a part timer in the main event. I'm leaving out WM30 because even though Batista came back for the main event spot, he was back full time for a few months before and after Mania whereas most of these guys just disappear the next night or the week after.

I'll never like that. But that's just the way Mania is now.

do you work for the WWE? What the hell do you care about part timers? I like guys that don't show up too often, I'd prefer they did that with the current cast of characters so I don't have to see Cesaro and Sheamus vs Bullet Club for the 87th time. (Well I don't watch THAT much for that exact reason).

They should have a rotation of certain guys that get featured every week/month. Rotate each set of guys per week. Too hard to do with 3 hour raws but IMO it would work so much better that way.

Because as a fan, it's pretty difficult to invest in most of the full time talent when every year around Mania time WWE is telling you that they aren't anywhere near as important as the generation of wrestlers that came before them.

That's not the fault of the part timers. I'd take the spot too if offered to me. But that doesn't excuse WWE for being shit at making their full time talent credible enough to headline the biggest show of the year.

I absolutely love that rotation idea by the way, if such a thing were feasible I'd be all for it. The guys and gals on the road all year get beat to shit, giving them any sort of a built in break would be good by me.

Gonna be awkward when the part timers are actually done for good and there are no part timers to replace them that anyone would car about because an entire generation was made to look second rate to the Attitude Era.

I mean that's nice and all but I'm talking about entertainment value and not thinking about it like I'm in the "know". I don't take into account guys "being beaten to shit" I care about having to see the same guys do the same thing wrestling the same guys week after week.

Well its the workers job to get over enough to warrent the push

I feel like wins don't matter, but losses obviously do.

For example Dean Ambrose beat John Cena clean but never really brought it up after doing so.

I never said they dont matter for the record. I said it's what you do with them. You can rebound from a loss in 2 seconds if the booking backs you right. Watching a loss and raging is silly. Like getting made at the 2nd act of a movie. Wait till the 3rd act is over before you start fires.

Fuck that, burn it down

I always loved the idea of having an actual off-season after Mania.

You do Mania, then the Raw and SmackDown ever as a teaser for the next "season". Announce a few call ups as they normally do around that time, lay the groundwork for possible programs, etc.

Then take two months off or so. Maybe run some original Network content in the interim, do a draft special since drafts should happen in the offseason, etc. Maybe give NXT a bigger focus during the offseason or run one of those tourneys they've been doing.

Then come back and everyone's gotten a breather, both the talent and the fans.

I know that would never happen in a billion years because it'd lead to a loss in terms of ticket sales and losing 2 months of TV revenue, but fuck - that'd be such a nice breath of fresh air instead of just going right to the next PPV with the same programs that were featured at Mania.