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Evil Vito 03-19-2018 11:22 PM

I'm actually curious to see what "being deleted" entails for the guy it's happening to.

Evil Vito 03-19-2018 11:24 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bray won't see the sun AGEEN<br><br>For years to come<br><br>He's <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BROKEN?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BROKEN</a> out in love<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UltimateDELETION?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UltimateDELETION</a> <a href="https://t.co/tdrAiNcBsX">https://t.co/tdrAiNcBsX</a></p>&mdash; #WOKEN Matt Hardy (@MATTHARDYBRAND) <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND/status/975934037331243009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Savio 03-19-2018 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5096643)
If we're going to buy The Undertaker, we should be able to buy this.


Anybody Thrilla 03-19-2018 11:31 PM

I hardly buy The Undertaker.

Anybody Thrilla 03-19-2018 11:32 PM

That just wasn't entertaining to me.

Tom Guycott 03-19-2018 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 5096714)
Wait did I miss Titus worldwide entrance

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Originally Posted by Carl The Gay Janitor (Post 5096715)
Double Jobber Entrances.

Totally insulting.

Tom Guycott 03-19-2018 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl The Gay Janitor (Post 5096726)
Honestly Mark Henry is so deserving of this. He really does belong in the Hall of Fame.

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Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5096727)

Honestly, I kinda feel extra good for him, especially after hearing that story from an interview when he met Andre as a kid. Now, he gets imortalized next to the man. Can you imagne how awesome that must feel on his end?

Tom Guycott 03-19-2018 11:40 PM

"She's been stabbed in the back more times than anybody in history!"

Not exactly. She's up there, but she ain't Sting.

slik 03-19-2018 11:54 PM

#1 trend worldwide on twitter is the ultimate deletion baybay

Droford 03-20-2018 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5096915)
Can't wait to see Bray Wyatt's new gimmick.

The shitter of worlds

Tom Guycott 03-20-2018 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5096827)
Wish Finn Balor would turn heel

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Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5096831)
Was nice there for a fw weeks when he was playing kind of tweener with the GOOD BROTHERS, but then the 250 writers on staff had to pool together to come up with a way to get Roman Reigns to Wrestlemania and they kind of forgot.


Tom Guycott 03-20-2018 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl The Gay Janitor (Post 5096851)
I honestly like how Matt Hardy's WOKEN character has been handled , started with the laughing , slowly re-introducing elements of it to WWE week by week, and tonight they're going all in.

The problems, though were exactly how slowly they were being re-introduced (and that he kinda did most of it online on his own, since WWE couldn't be assed to fit it in somewhere on their 3+ hours of programming on Monday nights), and getting too hung up on the overexaggeration on the laughing past the point of "okay, it's fucking annoying now" every time. It didn't help introduce anyone who didn't know about it already... that was still essentially word of mouth.

Dark One 03-20-2018 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5096928)
I would have liked to have seen a dope wrestling match instead of that...whatever that was. But oh well.

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5096936)
That just wasn't entertaining to me.

This is a fair take, and I can't really fault you for it. Now that I have NJPW World, I tend to look there for "dope wrestling" because WWE is hard pressed to match up with that level of in-ring story telling. I'm partial to WWE still in the hopes that it can do what it did in the past couple of decades: tell stories with outlandish and/or engaging characters that culminate in dope wrestling matches.

They haven't really done a good job of that lately, but I have to give credit when they do attempt to do something unique like BRAUN or Ultimate Deletion.

Dark One 03-20-2018 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5096947)
The shitter of worlds

That would never happen.

The writers wouldn't let someone infringe on their gimmick.

Tom Guycott 03-20-2018 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5096932)
I'm actually curious to see what "being deleted" entails for the guy it's happening to.

I wonder if they're going to go a similar route they did originally with Jeff, and Bray gets his profile taken down/corrupted on WWE.com and his Twitter/Instagram accounts commondeered.

Anybody Thrilla 03-20-2018 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5096954)
This is a fair take, and I can't really fault you for it. Now that I have NJPW World, I tend to look there for "dope wrestling" because WWE is hard pressed to match up with that level of in-ring story telling. I'm partial to WWE still in the hopes that it can do what it did in the past couple of decades: tell stories with outlandish and/or engaging characters that culminate in dope wrestling matches.

They haven't really done a good job of that lately, but I have to give credit when they do attempt to do something unique like BRAUN or Ultimate Deletion.

I don't even need anything wild. NXT has been great. I could watch Johnny Gargano matches all day. I probably have at some point.

Dark One 03-20-2018 12:47 AM

#UltimateDeletion STILL the #1 Worldwide Trend.

That's pretty impressive.

Dark One 03-20-2018 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5096961)
I don't even need anything wild. NXT has been great. I could watch Johnny Gargano matches all day. I probably have at some point.

Also totally fair. Gargano vs. Almas is probably one of my Top 5 all time matches.

I guess I've just kind of come to terms with the "main" WWE product never doing that shit on a regular basis.

Emperor Smeat 03-20-2018 12:49 AM

Supposedly the crowd at tonight's RAW didn't get to see the Ultimate Deletion match. Instead they got Braun vs Elias match as their main event while everyone at home got Ultimate Deletion.

Also Ronda was actually advertised to appear in person for tonight's show and the crowd didn't get that either.

Edit: Turns out Ronda was at the event in person but only for a quick dark segment during the show.

Anybody Thrilla 03-20-2018 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5096966)
Supposedly the crowd at tonight's RAW didn't get to see the Ultimate Deletion match. Instead they got Braun vs Elias match as their main event while everyone at home got Ultimate Deletion.

Also Ronda was actually advertised to appear in person for tonight's show and the crowd didn't get that either.

Would have loved to have traded places with that crowd.

Vastardikai 03-20-2018 01:31 AM

First time seeing anything hashtag Broken or Woken or whatever.

I... don't hate it. It was dumb and not what I would properly consider wrestling, but it was interesting and made for a decent blow off for a feud. And something I hadn't seen before (I don't watch TNA and I barely watch WWE, I hunted the match down on the Youtubes.).

Like I said, it was dumb. A proper program with those kind of values might be worth watching, or it might wear thin very quickly. Either way, it was the most interesting thing I had seen in wrestling in a while.

Dark One 03-20-2018 01:32 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m deleted. HH</p>&mdash; Hulk Hogan (@HulkHogan) <a href="https://twitter.com/HulkHogan/status/975943998530621440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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slik 03-20-2018 01:39 AM

YES

Dark One 03-20-2018 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 5096971)
First time seeing anything hashtag Broken or Woken or whatever.

I... don't hate it. It was dumb and not what I would properly consider wrestling, but it was interesting and made for a decent blow off for a feud. And something I hadn't seen before (I don't watch TNA and I barely watch WWE, I hunted the match down on the Youtubes.).

Like I said, it was dumb. A proper program with those kind of values might be worth watching, or it might wear thin very quickly. Either way, it was the most interesting thing I had seen in wrestling in a while.

Yeah, I think having an engaging storyline/feud behind it would help a bunch. The absurdity of it can carry it a ways (with a decent chunk of people) but won't maintain it for long. The original ones had the strong Matt vs Jeff storyline that led up to the gimmick and the first big segment, their feud with Decay had some wheels, and then there was Apocalypto which was just kind of a thing done to do more and wasn't great--although major props for it being literally an entire episode of Impact.

Shisen Kopf 03-20-2018 02:37 AM

That deletion match was amusing. It's what CHW could have been if they had a larger budget. Of course, people are gonna complain but this is pro rasslin, the whole concept of it is silly.

Tom Guycott 03-20-2018 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5096965)
Also totally fair. Gargano vs. Almas is probably one of my Top 5 all time matches.

I guess I've just kind of come to terms with the "main" WWE product never doing that shit on a regular basis.

That's the oddest thing about NXT: they do /have done things there that WWE main roster *used* to do all the time in terms of booking and character development and presentation. But now, the fans who watch that are "mutants" and "in the minority" and "IWC" and so forth. It's almost as if the company themselves have forgotten about what got them to where they are now.

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Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5096974)
Yeah, I think having an engaging storyline/feud behind it would help a bunch. The absurdity of it can carry it a ways (with a decent chunk of people) but won't maintain it for long. The original ones had the strong Matt vs Jeff storyline that led up to the gimmick and the first big segment, their feud with Decay had some wheels, and then there was Apocalypto which was just kind of a thing done to do more and wasn't great--although major props for it being literally an entire episode of Impact.

What makes it better was the context of the fact that TNA literally wasn't doing shit at the time, and Big Money Matt essentially produced and bankrolled an episode of iMPACT to help buy the company more time and exposure.

#BROKEN Hasney 03-20-2018 02:56 AM

Based on who likes and who hates the Ultimate Deletion, can't wait to see it. First full segment of Raw I'll watch in 2018

Droford 03-20-2018 03:09 AM

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Danny Electric 03-20-2018 04:55 AM

I think they need to advertise it as Cena Vs Kane at Wrestlemania, but still keep it in the back of people's minds that Undertakers might show up.
Then at Wrestlemania Cena enters first and they make them wait for Kanes music and then boom, Undertaker comes out. The pop will be massive , don't blow the money shot on An episode of Raw.

slik 03-20-2018 09:12 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Goodbye</p>&mdash; Bray Wyatt (@WWEBrayWyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt/status/975860278742142976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Anybody Thrilla 03-20-2018 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny Electric (Post 5096993)
I think they need to advertise it as Cena Vs Kane at Wrestlemania, but still keep it in the back of people's minds that Undertakers might show up.
Then at Wrestlemania Cena enters first and they make them wait for Kanes music and then boom, Undertaker comes out. The pop will be massive , don't blow the money shot on An episode of Raw.

Cena tries for a few months to get to Wrestlemania, to no avail...until Kane shows up, and they waltz right onto the card together.

I dunno, I think there's gotta be more than that.

Lock Jaw 03-20-2018 10:28 AM

I mean, earlier in the night The Revival just said they were gonna be at WRESTLEMANIA in the battle royale. Seems pretty easy to waltz onto Mania.

Lock Jaw 03-20-2018 10:29 AM

Not sure why my phone autocorrects WRESTLEMANIA to all caps, but it does.....

hb2k 03-20-2018 10:44 AM

I gotta say, the sight of Matt Hardy trying to kill Bray Wyatt with a lawn mower with that fucking music playing was the funniest thing on WWE TV in years.

Loose Cannon 03-20-2018 10:54 AM

I'm going to admit while i felt kind of embarrassed watching that train wreck, i couldn't take my eyes off it. it felt like WCW 1992/1993 with those Sting vignettes. it was different and a break from the same old crap i watch every week at least. Jeff Hardy showing up was pretty hillarious. and who is Senor Benjamin? is that his dad?

If this is the end of Bray, i am kind of glad he's out of the picture. He was so stale the past year or two and just seemed lost in the shuffle. It's too bad because the character was amazing, but i think the writers just could never make up their minds on him. I felt like every big feud ended with him being defeated and then he'd come back and cut a bunch of promos on how he's a god and then he's lose again. After a while you can't take the guy seriously. However, he's a guy that could come back in 6 months and make it work again with a little tweak in character. so we'll see.

Black Widow 03-20-2018 10:54 AM

One of the dumbest things i've ever seen.

owenbrown 03-20-2018 12:13 PM

Why do I get the bad feeling that this will lead to Bray being future endeavored when the releases happen?

Evil Vito 03-20-2018 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 5097033)
and who is Senor Benjamin? is that his dad?

Matt's father-in-law, Reby's dad

Watching it back, I didn't even realize Reby was actually playing Bray's theme on the piano :lol:

rockman725 03-20-2018 02:35 PM

As for Cena/Taker, with the road they've chosen here, I'd almost rather see the visual of Cena sitting in like the 8th row eating popcorn & drinking a brew when all of a sudden, Taker appears. No entrance no nothing. He then grabs Cena's throat, beer & popcorn go flying, and forces him into the ring and there's the match.

rockman725 03-20-2018 02:38 PM

The ultimate deletion match was very hokey, to say the least, but thought the presentation was better than the Wyatt/Orton thingy from last year. I really hate the cinematography style presentation of a match when wrestling is not normally presented in such a manner. It takes away from believing in what you are seeing.

Anybody Thrilla 03-20-2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5097026)
I mean, earlier in the night The Revival just said they were gonna be at WRESTLEMANIA in the battle royale. Seems pretty easy to waltz onto Mania.

Then why didn't Cena join the battle royale?

Anybody Thrilla 03-20-2018 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rockman725 (Post 5097094)
As for Cena/Taker, with the road they've chosen here, I'd almost rather see the visual of Cena sitting in like the 8th row eating popcorn & drinking a brew when all of a sudden, Taker appears. No entrance no nothing. He then grabs Cena's throat, beer & popcorn go flying, and forces him into the ring and there's the match.

I would honestly love that.

Vastardikai 03-20-2018 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rockman725 (Post 5097095)
The ultimate deletion match was very hokey, to say the least, but thought the presentation was better than the Wyatt/Orton thingy from last year. I really hate the cinematography style presentation of a match when wrestling is not normally presented in such a manner. It takes away from believing in what you are seeing.

I actually think that the Kevin Dunn fuckery works better for something like this than it does for actual in arena wrestling.

Jordan 03-20-2018 04:40 PM

They cut the Final Deletion off the Hulu version, I had to go to youtube to watch it. It was embarrassingly bad.

Lock Jaw 03-20-2018 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Anybody Thrilla (Post 5097114)
Then why didn't Cena join the battle royale?

He'd rather go as a fan.


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