So, you've seen the pictures from ITV right?

I've seen pictures from ITV yes

If you see the pictures from ITV, then you will notice, that the players in question are not in shot

Keane and Neville are both in the shot

Well, not in the pictures I've seen, so I guess we've seen different pictures, cos the only Neville in the shots I've seen, is Phil

Heres a little part of a PR from bbc.co.uk

"Merseyside Police have decided they will not take further action after viewing CCTV footage of the incident."

Ok, so they've viewed the CCTV, and they've decided that there is nothing which can constitute an offence that can be dealt with by the police, this doesn't mean that they haven't been shouting and yelling at the Everton fans does it?

Let me look at this, for a moment from an unbiased perspective, which I admit, is difficult for me to do.

United's players have gone across and celebrated in front of the family stand at Goodison Park. They have apparently shouted and sworn AT the fans, while making gestures. The result of this, was 50 fans filing a report to the police. I have read that one of the people who made a statement was a steward. Merseyside Police have found that the evidence they have does nothing to warrant an offence that can bring about action, and so the issue has been passed onto the F.A to look at.

These appear to be the facts.

Now, the thing that I am arguing is that the Manchester United players did not need to go across towards those fans and celebrate, and spout abusive language. Now, I think that this is more or less a fact, that they did indeed shout and swear at the crowd. 50 people complained, that's 50 out of around..... 3-4000 in the area United where in front of (the area which could have been in ear shot). They are indeed a minority, but they seem to have been offended by something, and they've reported this.

My point is, that what the Manchester United players have done, is very unprofessional, and as role-models they should apologise for their actions, I mean, Gary Neville yesterday practically admitted that they celebrated OTT, but that it was ok to do so.

The pictures I have seen did not have Ronaldo or Neville in them, Keane was in them, but if I remember correctly, he was the closest person to the crowd, while the rest of the players were in a big bundle.

I think that Cactus Sid is right.

Because their is no video evidence doesn't mean they didnt do it, and if Neville has admitted they were in the wrong, then like what Sid said, it is unprofessional, and uncalled for.

Neville admitted the celebrations were over the top but he didn't say that they swore or abused the fans.

I think it's unprofessional because people are stuck in that norm that players shouldn't say anything to fans. Personally, I think that as long as they don't swear, they should be able to say what they like. It's only a laugh and if you can give it then you should be able to take it. If you get arsey about it then leave the ground because you are watching the wrong sport. Try snooker or indoor bowls.

As for Cristiano Ronaldo, nobody has mentioned how he had a full Coke bottle thrown at him and the pictures were as clear as a beautiful summer day.

Seeing as there is a bit of a debate and things on this situation,it would be interesting to know everyone's views on the Walker/fan incident.I mean surely Walker reacting by physically attacking a fan is worse than the United players shouting some things at Everton fans?

Can't condone either act but as they both happened surely Walker's reaction is worse.

Actually no. I think any fan who comes on to a pitch should be banned for life. Players could be at danger and Walker did the right then. I still remember when Peter Schmeichel threw some Turk like 20 yards into the 6th row at Old Trafford! :lol: Players should have a legal right to kick arse if fans enter the field. Nobody argues when fans jump barriers at wrestling shows and get battered.

Yeah on Duff's return against Birmingham City 3 1/2 weeks ago, a fan ran on the pitch, and shook Duff's hand, and then slowy jogged away from three stewards, two gave up, and the one that kept chasing him fell over in the centre circle. Funny stuff, the bloke kept running, and ran off the pitch before he was finally caught. That fan could have punched Duff, kinifed him or anything, and the stewards were way too slow and couldn't stop it.

Ground security is rubbish.

Yep, Walker would probably have a decent case for acting in self-defence

Yeah, I dont think anyone could argue with Walkers actions, he probably felt under threat.

The only thing I can be arsed to say is Gary Neville is a dickend.

dickend? :wtf:

Middlesborough, eh?

Yeah when it was 2-0, I thought it would be 4-2 to United. and then United Jobbed to Job. :cool: (I thought that sounded good anyway)

Chelsea with a deserved win also. :love:

Still, I'd rather we didn't have Parker, Crespo, Bridge, Makelele, Geremi, Cech, Joe Cole, Veron, Johnson, Kenyon, Abramovich.

Mutu and Duff were the only players we needed.

I thought Mutu was a waste a space today really.:$ In each of the last 3 Chelsea games i've seen he's missed at least 1 brilliant chance to score.

Loan them to us :(

What would your Chelsea midfield be then Dazz?

Also lol at newest member: jim smith

RBF?

This is something for Everton to deal with, and the F.A to deal with Everton should they need to.

Agreed.

Haha, you probably knew he was rubbish before I told you, but he did what I said he would.


Duff on the left wing, Gronkjaer on the right wing (Yeah I just dissed him, but when he hits form he is the man, if you saw the end of last season) Lampard attacking, and Petit defending.

Don't get me wrong, Makelelelelele is great, but what a waste of 16 million, he is 30 :|, and we didn't need him. We didn't know Cole or Veron yet we bought both. We have Forssell and Carlton Cole yet we sign two new attackers, only Mutu is good, Crepso DIVES.


And LOL at Forlans header against the bar. :lol: and your defence in general was a MESS. :rofl:

Well, we signed Smertin just to loan him to Pompey, I don't see why we wouldn't give you them.

Oh fu</>cking god. Hoddle is almost certainly going back to Southampton, Lowe just said you need to give people a second chance, he's spoken to Hoddle etc....

Why?!

why the fu</>ck would anyone have hoddle as manager of anything? he's utter shite and he never comes close to winning anything.

Good thing Hoddles going back otherwise they could have been a minor success and the premiership just wouldn't be the same in Southampton were consistently good.

Eileen Drury will be happy, she can help the Southampton players now.

This is from the BBC about the Hoddle thing

See thats where your wrong. Lemme set the scene for all you Hoddle haters. It was the summer of '93, and Hoddle had been player manager for Swindon, and guided them to the premiership. Chelsea had just sacked Ian Portafield, and David Webb's temporary managerial contract was terminated, Stamford Bridge crowds were fairly low. We signed Hoddle, in the first year, we reached the F.A Cup final, (the score isn't important). As United were champions that season, Chelsea snuck into the UEFA Cup winners cup, and guess what happened that season, many fans came back, and the Bridge was full again, reaching the semi finals and then just going out to Zaragoza, who won the competition wasn't exactly bad. The season after, Hoddle brought in Gullit, for free, the best player Chelsea had seen in ages. Hoddle left the post at the end of the season, and Gullit took over, and brought in players like Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo, and from their, Chelsea started on their road to success.

Since then we have been in the Champions League Quarter Final, and finished 3rd and 4th in the league, and whats more, Hoddle didn't have any money to flaunt around, he barely spent anything at us.

Anyone who tells you Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around is a moron.

He did well for England, losing to the Argies wasn't exactly unexpected, and the reason for his sacking is a disgrace, it wasn't footy related.

At Southampton, Hoddle started what Strachan continued, I think that he did a good job their too. The only club I think he has failed as a manager at is Tottenham, and lets face it, who was the last sucessful manager they had?

Swindon, Chelsea, England and Southampton, he never let any of them down. Just Spurs.

I'm only doubting his reappointment, he walked out on the club, left them high and dry, and now they wanna welcome him back with open arms, when he said "fu</>ck you" to them. I just think its stupid, and Rupert Lowe and Hoddle are gonna have a serious backlash.

If Lowe thinks the Saints fans don't have the right to feel aggrieved towards Hoddle he's an idiot

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image..._203x152gi.jpg

Was that the worst tackle in premiership history???

No, but it was the worst one this week, there are other bad challenges, and it wasn't like Delaney (was it him?) was badly hurt.

LOL at O'Leary's reaction.

I didn't hear the update on delaney, They thought he'd broken a leg. Whats the new on that then??

He hasn't broken his leg, but even so, that tackle was a disgrace

Its what happens to the lower clubs in the Premiership, they don't get any luck

Glenn Hoddle didn't turn Chelsea around. He did well no doubt and bringing in Mark Hughes and Ruud Gullit was beauty but Gullit did the real work once he took over.

Anyone care to remember World Cup 98 and the fiasco leading up to it. He played Andy Hinchcliffe and Phil Neville constantly in the build up and then decided to go to France with only one left back in Greame Le Saux who ended up being England's worst player and everyone who on his case after the first game. He also ended up getting hurt.

He also fu</>cked around with Gazza big time before that tourney and the way he told him (as well as the others) they weren't in the squad was a disgrace.

He also was majorly critical of David Beckham before the championship and refused to play him half the time when everyone was begging to have him in. And when he did, he scored a cracker against Columbia. It was obvious he was jealous of Beckham too for some reason. Hoddle always took part in training and probably thought he was better still than his players and after Beckham screwed up one skill in practise, in front of everyone, Hoddle mocked him saying "obviously you are not good enough to do that". Tony Adams also went public in saying his treatment of Beckham after the red card was a total embarrassment (Adams went right up in my estamation too) being that he totally shunned him.

His comments that retarted people (for lack of a better word) are being punished from previous lives deserved to get him shot in my opinion.

Gordan Strachan, a man who got Coventry relagated no less, has clearly showed Hoddle up too.

Gullit spent nearly £10million on two players, if Hoddle had that kind of money, he could have acheived more. Gullit basically looked at the team, and then decided to bring in a new backbone, by signing LeBoeuf (2.5mil), Di Matteo (4.9mil), Zola (4.9mil).

If you want to talk about how Hoddle upset players, then must I remind you of Vialli and how upset he was under Gullit. All managers piss players off, not just Hoddle.

Strachan has NOT shown Hoddle up at Southampton, Hoddle laid the foundations of Southampton, had he stayed there I believe that he would have done a good job, better then Strachan. And ten points above relegation isn't exacly good. Wow, Strap-on got Southampton to the F.A Cup final, remind me who they played along the way.

And he was wrong to say what he did about disabled people, but its his opinion, he should get sacked for football matters, NOT off-pitch matters.

Dave Jones laid the foundations at Southampton :mad:

*sticks up for manager* :(

Di Matteo and Zola wouldn't have gone near Chelsea if Gullit wasn't the manager. Fair enough, Gullit pissed off Vialli but at the time, it was the best decision for the club not playing him.

Yeah, I agree, similary, Gullit wouldn't have gone near the club if it wasn't for Hoddle. So therefor, without Hoddle, we would have had nothing. And even before we got Gullit as a player, Hoddle still got attendances up, and got us into Europe in his first season, and our first cup final in 23 years. You cannot knock Hoddle's contribution to Chelsea, it was massive.

It was disgraceful that they sacked him before they were charged or anything, there was no reason to sack him.

I don't knock it, just saying he never turned the club around.

What was the score in that cup final? :p

I cannot see how anyone can say he did not turn the club around, without Hoddle, there would be no Gullit, the only reason to say that Gullit turned us around is that with Hoddle we finished something like 13th every season, but givn the money Gullit had, Hoddle would have made us more of a force, maybe with different players, but regardless, IMO, Hoddle would have done just as good a job. I think that Hoddle did more for the club, but Gullit did a fantastic job.

If it was up to me, Abramovich would be out, Kenyon would fu</>ck off back to you, Batesy would be in charge, and either Hoddle or Gullit would be the manager.

As for the cup match, Kanchelskis DIVED. :rant:

You can keep Kanyon, the backstabbing rat.

Did Kanchelskis dive for the other 3 as well :D

He did dodgy transfers for you. AND he is a United fan, so why come to Chelsea? for a fatter pocket no doubt. He can piss off if he is trying to upset Bates. He is never going to get over with the fans if he acts like a dick.

And as for the other three. It is still my belief, that the game would have turned out MUCH differently if you didnt get that second penalty. David Ellery should have listened to his lino, but instead he had to be a dick, he ruined the match. :yes:

Hey did you hear the Arsenal fans on Tuesday night singing "Stand up if you hate Hoddle" in unison with the Southampton fans?

Classic :lol:

Strachan's quit :|

Not suprising really.

Hoddle might have had some success but he's a mediocre manager at very best. I thought swindon were up before 93 too cause I thought they were like the first team to go out of the premiership. I remember frazer digby being the worst keeper i'd ever seen, although I had a particular loathing for les sealey (RIP) at the time too. Whenever schmeichel got injured and he came on I knew we were fuc</>ked.

Hoddle might be able to lay foundations and give teams somewhat of a bulding ground but how much of that is pure luck? No team he's ever been in has been a real force, and I know you can say that about a lot of managers, but I just don't understand why chairmen would give the same old people jobs all over the place when they usually succeed in very little.

No, they were in division one in the 1992/93 season, he got them promoted, and then left, and then they were rubbish, letting 100 goals and all.

Everyone has opinions, and mine is that the only team that Hoddle failed at was spurs, and they haven't had a good manager in ages.

There are only two managers I would welcome back to Chelsea, Hoddle or Gullit, I would much rather have either of them then Ranieri.

what's wrong with ranieri? :$

he's funny as f</>uck :'(

You actually want to know whats wrong with him? well:

Firstly - He has signed players he didnt even want this season, I said this at the start of the season, when Ferguson sold Beckham, he was expecting to sign Ronaldinho, and then that collapsed, instead of panicking and buying someone, Ferguson left it how it was because there was no one he wanted, he them sold ANOTHER midfielder (Veron), and he never replaced either of them. When Ranieri failed at signed Vieri, Henry and Raul, he bought Mutu, but that was because he couldn't get the others, not becuse he really wanted Mutu, he buys players on the spot if he cant get him man.

He never makes the right subsitutions, and always plays Bridge, Geremi and Veron who are all crap.

He released England under 21s first choice keeper, and brought in rejects like Sullivan, Macho and Ambrosio. Sold Leon Knight, who was great for the reserves, and has been good for Brighton.

He gets tactics all wrong, and plays players int he wrong position.

Because he has the money he spends it, on worthless crap we don't need.

He doesn't realise that the way to get players to hit form is to play them regulary, its not suprising that our best three players have been Cudicini, Terry and Lampard. He rotates it way too much. We will never even come second with him incharge.

I'd still have him over glenn "anderton over beckham" hoddle :p

lol, i just called him glenn waddle there :$

I remember Hoddle for the 93 play off final: Swindon 4 Leicester 3 after we had come back from 3-0 down.:'(Classic match though.:drool:

Just reading about it on Sky Sports. It's a shame that it got leaked out that he was leaving early because this has happened.

Good for Strachan really,i mean they said they may not wait 'till the end of the season to replace him so why not go now?

To be fair Dazz, he hasn't had the oppurtunity to play Veron, thank God for that. But I think you're being harsh with what you said about Bridge. I think he was a great buy and hes probably been Chelseas most consistent defender after Terry. Remember he is an England international.

And also, Geremi was just reaching good form until he got injured.

Are you shitting me? Bridge has played TWO good games all season, Portsmouth at home, and Portsmouth away. You ask ANY Chelsea season ticket holder and they will tell you how crap he is. He doesn't mark anyone until they have the ball, and then runs to them, by the time he gets their they've crossed it or something. Gallas has been equally as good as Terry this season. And being more consistant then Baba, Melchiot or Johnson doesn't state much, Desailly is past it. Stanic for left back, he is great there. Being England's left back isn't a big acheivement, Phil Neville is shit at left back, and Ashley Cole, well, is a tosser, and Bridge isnt first choice left back.

Geremi hasn't hit good form in the Prmiership since last season for Middlesborough, he scored one great goal and thats all he has done, seriously, utter SHIT.

When he did have the oppertunity to play Veron, he was always shit, he had a good start to the season, but then he just kept passing to the other team, has THE WORST shots and in general brings nothing to the club.

I have to say, Geremi is shockingly bad

Veron IMO is past it, he would be out of place in the Chelsea midfield

Disagree with Bridge though, the guy is quality going forward, and puts in a lot of effort, but I have to say his marking and tracking leave a lot to be desired

Veron-Worst Signing Ever :n:

We'll gladly have Seba Veron back then :p

The thing is that it's going to take more time for the team to gel and this has been seen by soem of the Chelsea performances. Like yesterday against Chelsea, that game was theirs for the taking but Arsenal came together as a team.
The problem with Chelsea is that they brought too many players.
Lol at Makalele in the papers yesterday moaning at Ranieri for not being rested.

Yeah i used to stick up for Makelele because i thought he did a good job at Real,but i gotta admit he seems sligtly over rated now i see him play more often.

Makelele was our second best signing :|. He is great, he doesn't get the props he deserves, he allows Lampard to attack more, he holds it back, and RARELY makes mistakes, Leeds is the only one that comes to mind.

The gelling thing I totally agree with, I always said that last season we came 4th because we bought in one player on loan, and signed no one. We plays well together because we knew each others shit. Same as the Arse this season.

Seriously though, if any wants Veron, you would be doing us a really huge favour, he is wank wank wank.

Bridge is rubbish at defending, so surely if anything he should play left midfield, and I do think he would be better there.

I was delighted when Veron left us to go to Chelsea, still cant believe we got 15m for him.

Though when we missed out on Duff and Ronaldinho we signed Ronaldo a year a head of schedule to make up for it. Good thing we did aswell because the right side of mid field would have been a disaster if we hadnt.

Ranieri hasnt always bought well and his substitutions arent always great but I think that part of that is because of the pressure to succeed. He has basically a limitless cash flow to fund his team so he couldnt just sign no one in the summer. And he did buy a few too many players (Veron, Geremi, goalkeepers didnt need to be signed) and he bought a few players that arent good enough (Bridge and again Veron) but I think if Chelsea came out and said that his job was safe this season and he sold more than he bought this summer then his team selections would be more consistent and the team would have a better chance of competing for the premiership.

He needs to get rid of some of the goalkeepers especially with Cech on his way, and some midfielders and strikers sign one or two quality defenders and a right sided midfielder andhe'd be better off.

Yes, i 100% agree with the above post. ^

I have always said that Ranieri buys players needlessly, and should take Fergie's approach of only signing players he has been tracking.

I also agree that Ranieri signs these players because he has never been sure on his future, and he thinks that without spending so much, he wont get asgood results. I wish they gave him a limit for players, even if they didnt intend for him to stick to it, it would at least encourage him to think more before spending.

I think that Bridge is a good player, but he has to do alot of work on his defending.
If I was Veron I'd go back to Italy because that style of game suited him where he could just slow it down and take control. The english game is too high tempo for him.

Can we borrow Joe Cole please? :wavesad:

Yeah he was better in Italy. I was really pleased that we signed him, because I thought that he was rubbish int he first season, but he was just settling in, the second season he should have been better, and he had something to prove in his third season, and that he would be good. I guess I was wrong.

We don't need him. But I like him. Who knows though, our second best attacker is loaned out at Birmingham, Ranieri might let you have him.

Makelele, Petit, Duff, Parker

oohhh now thats a midfield!

why not Gronkjaer, Lampard, Cole and Geremi? and what about Super Mario Stanic?

and Makelele and Petit play the same role. We don't wanna play defensive down the middle. :nono:

Seriously, I love Ranieri and all, but if he lets Forssell go he's lost his marbles.

I know, I was pissed off that he let Birmingham keep him till the end of the season. Get rid of Eidur, keep Forssell. We don't need Jimmy anymore, he is fat, slow, lazy, and adds nothing, gone are the days when he will score 30 yarders, he is also afraid to shoot with his left foot. :mad: I really will hate Ranieri if he sells Forssell.

****,forgot lampard!! right now, he's the nuts!!

I Like Petit,i liked him at arsenal and i still like him now, he works hard without reward

Gronkjaer is too erratic in form for my liking, his consistency is improving now though

picking a chelsea midfield is nie on impossible, i'm glad it aint my job

Sell Hasselbaink to Leicester.

Sell Gronkjaer to Blackburn.

Give us Joe Cole on a free.

Bingo, problem solved :$

I odn't want any of them going to other premiership teams.





Oh yeah, my bad, I forgot that when the window opens only Blackburn will be a Premiership team. :p

Yeah I know.

Gronkjaer isn't improving though. But he is way too spoilt for choice in the middle. I like Manu, but he is a big girl, Makelele and Lamps are our best central players at the moment, I'd stick Joey Cole out right, and Duff out left.

Sell Hasselbaink to MILLWALL, Imagine Dichio and Jimmy upfront, man i think i just orgasamed! :cool:

I wouldn't put it past Wisey to try and get him.

Also, MMM, I remember that you were linked with Jimmy last summer. You probably need him more then us.

You can be so cruel Dazz :'(

Besides what would we need a slow lumbering striker who doesn't score many goals for. We've got Carl Cort for god's sake :$

Sorry. :kiss:

And Jimmy is our top scorer actually, but i still dislike him, he doesn't do anything.

You listed him as one of the signings that weren't needed though? :-\

We should have Cole and you have Hasselbaink,we've got 3 fairly inform forwards and you appear to have none other than Ganea.:$

Plus you have Rae and Ince,who seem to be doing well. :rant:

I reckon Jimmy will go to Barcelona at the end of the season as Kluivert will probably leave them.

Makelele wasn't a good signing because he is 30, and cost £16million.

I doubt Barca will want Jimmy, I think he will move back to Spain, but not one of the bigger clubs.

Actually i reckon Makelele was a good buy,maybe slightly over priced but he is in the top 2 of what he does in the world,possibly behind Vieira.

Anyway seeing as you got the money and he does a good job for the team i would say no worries,30 is quite old but if Petit can still do a decent job in that position then Makelele can be good for another few years.

Yes, but 16 million, I would pay 10 million maximum, Petit is very good there, but is always injured.

I just think we should have signed someone cheaper.

Sir Les is retiring. Just like Micky Adams, not thinking ahead for the future, I don't know :nono:

I dunno, I kinda have hope that Cort can catch some kind of form...I remember when he was at Wimbledon, him and Euell made a really good partnership. Needs to happen soon though :-\

Yeah i know,Lee Morris is meant to have been signed for the future but he's nowhere near Les' quality,looks like the club see our future in division 1.

I'd rather see him play Tomi Petrescu if we go down,he's looking a good youngster and has been the man on champ manager for me.Then there's Louis Dodds but i guess thats slightly biased as i was in the same schoolboy team as him,:$

Relation of Dan Petrescu?

Nah i doubt it,this one's Finnish.

:|

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