dont worry sherdog will still rank shogun #1 and liddel #3

brock would murder some people

Brock is a monster, there's no question about that. I'm just excited as a fan from him am wrestling days. I was wrestling still (before I went to MMA myself years ago) and was a huge fan of his and looked at him as a motivator. Now it's going to be cool for me, someone already doing MMA (obviously not to the scale he is) to watch him evolve into it.

He beat Rampage two years ago.. Rampage's style has changed alot since then.. His disipline and ground game are much more solid..

This is like people saying the Pats shouldn't have won a Super Bowl because they prolly wouldve lost to the Raiders if they hadn't changed the "not uck" rule.. Bottom line is, Pats won that game and then went on to win the Superbowl..

Same thing, Shogun never got a chance to fight Henderson, but how can you be so sure he would've beat him?? There no way to tell, but calling him the number one, just because of "what if's" is retarded..

Rampage is the number one LHW in the world right now.. That's why he called the "undisputed Light Heavy Weight Champion of the World".. You guy sure are disputing it though..

Same reason Fedor is the best fighter in the world.

Titles dont mean shit. Shogun was widely reguarded as the best MMA lightweight and he had the victories to back it up. Plus he made Rampage his bitch.

So he is because of popular opinion?? What victories?? Shit the only fighters of worth he's beaten since Rampage are Arona and Kevin Randleman, but Mark Coleman also broke his arm in the time so that's not saying much..

Thats why I used quotation marks. Do I think he was the top LHW in the world? Probably not, it should have been Henderson or Jackson. And obviously he isn't now. But the fact of the matter is that most independent organizations ranked Shogun as the top LHW in the world.

And for the record, I'm pretty sure Jackson will be unanimous #1 now.

I would imagine the rankings to look something like this:
#1. Quinton Jackson
#2. Wanderlei Silva
#3. Forrest Griffin
#4. Dan Henderson
#5. Keith Jardine
#6. Mauricio Rua
#7. Chuck Liddell
#8. Alexander Houston/Houston Alexander
#9. Tito Ortiz
#10. Rashad Evans

I think Forrest deserves a title shot after such a dominating victory last night.

Great division. So is Rampage fighting Silva next or what?

Did you switch #8's name on purpose?

But if not Silva then yes, Forrest should get it

:lol: , no but I get that mixed up because he could have either two first names, or two last names. Nice catch.

From the last UFC, I had some pointless observations:

1. Is Tyson Griffin double-jointed? Seriously, he may have the best submission defense in the world. I also have yet to see him have a bad fight.

2. Nakamura kind of disappointed me. I expected a better fight. Then again, when I saw that the other guy was versed in Shotokan, I was drunk enough to suggest that he should go for a Dragon Punch.

3. John Fitch with the Emerald Frosion! The guy who sat behind me said "That move didn't do shit, but it sure did look cool." As did the Stunner-like escape from the Rear Naked.

4. Speaking of Rear Nakeds, who was more surprised: The crowd that Forrest beat Shogun, or Forrest that he actually scored a Submission. I am one of the few people who don't care for Griffin, but I was impressed.

5. Me and my buddies were joking that Jardine would win a very pro-Liddell environment. We didn't know it would actually happen.

How would put Wanderlei at number two?? I mean, he lost to Cro Cop and Henderson his last two fights..

I am going to call you "fart" from now on b/c you seem to do nothing but talk out of your ass..

Because he is a major signing for the UFC and they are going to hype him and push him as much as possible, just like they did with Cro Cop.

What was Rampage doing in Pride before he came to UFC and got an instant title shot? Hmm?

Now if I were to be ranking them, my personal ranking would look more like this:
#1. Quinton Jackson
#2. Forrest Griffin
#3. Houston Alexander
#4. Keith Jardine
#5. Wanderlei Silva

And I don't think I would even bother ranking beyond that.

Uhhh, he didn't get an instant title shot..

Oh yeh, excuse me. He got vengeance over Eastman first. Because Eastman was a top contender before Rampage went over him. Rampage must have taken his pending title opportunity. :roll:

I'm pretty bummed out that Liddell lost last night :(

The hell with Ortiz/Evans rematch I wanna see them both take on different people. Ortiz/Jardine. Evans/Shogun..or whatever other combination there is seeing as it is a deep class.

Alexander was "fed" to Jardine before he was gonna get a title shot and we all know how that turned out..

Remember when I told you years ago about how huge MMA was gonna be and you should add it to the site and you laughed and said no?

oh my god... ok listen we all know how much you want page's cock in your mouth, but calm the fuck down. you wanted to know why shogun was ranked #1 and I told you. That was the whole reason he was ranked #1. Right there. It was irrelevant to how rampage had improoved because shogun hadnt fought in a while. Its just like Fedor's #1 ranking right now.

just so everyone knows, I like forrest, and I dont really like jardine. buuuuuut you need to switch their places. Jardine KOed forrest. Forrest had his first glimps of an A-level performance of his life against shogun. Forrest doesnt deserve shit till he beats jardine. same can be said about jardine and alexander, but alexander needs to proove himself more as crazy as that sounds. One or two more knock outs like hes had and then him and jardine need to fight again, but until that time jardine is #3 and forrest is #5

are you seriously gonna use the he got KOed by cro cop argument? anyone who takes a strait shot to the head from a cro cop left high kick will not walk away from it not to mention cro cop is a heavyweight. and he fought hendo in too short of time after that KO from cro cop. Wand was out for 4 min from hendo. you cant tell me hendo has that kind of power... its from wand's previous KO. Wand is going to have 9 months of rest from his last fight, the longest hes ever gone without fighting. He owned a title in pride for about 4 years maybe longer. Until he comes into UFC and chokes, he is the number 2 205 in the world.

The light heavyweight division is crazy, there's so many fights to be had.

Hot garbage..

The Saints are the number 1 team in the NFC b/c they should have won the NFC Championship and if they had they wouldve beaten the Colts.. Ignore the fact that we are currently 0-2..

Yeah, thats the same argument you're using..

oh yea i guess your right.... other than the fact your compairing someone who has held a title for like 4 or 5 years compaired to a team that had its first winning season like ever. Its a little different when one has prooven himself.

you must really not want rampage to fight wanderlei.... i couldnt imagine why

Alexander KO'ing a guy who picked apart Chuck Liddell wasn't proof? :lol: I agree though, he has one victory over a semi-marquee opponent. He needs one more name in the win column I think to justify a title shot.

With all the upsets in the LHW division it makes ranking anybody very difficult.

Football operates seasonally. Every season is a new year, new record. MMA doesn't work that way, it isn't a seasonal sport. Bad analogy that doesn't add up.

I juts don't see how y'all can judge fighters on anything other than their latests preformances..

Even with how yall are doing it, why is Liddell not in the top 5??

I dont' think Liddell looked as bad as some people make it out. I love how when a fighter loses he needs to retire.

Liddell didn't look terrible, but I think he needs time off to refocus and retrain to get back into the upper-tier. As for why I wouldnt put him in the top 5, or why I don't think most others would put him in the top 5 is because the LHW division is WAY too crowded to give Liddell a top 5 spot just for being Chuck Liddell. He lost. He lost a very important fight between two guys on the fringe of the title scene.

My top 5 for example:
#1. Quinton Jackson - Winner, Current Title Holder
#2. Forrest Griffin - Winner, defeated consensus #1 in the world
#3. Houston Alexander - Winner, unproven but has looked unbelievably dominant, the likes of which we haven't even really seen before
#4. Keith Jardine - Winner, defeated the 'face' of UFC
#5. Wanderlei Silva - Struggled recently in PRIDE, is coming off a long layoff, MUCH hype around his UFC debut

So, Silva is the only one with a question mark by him. You could stretch that to Houston Alexander I suppose. I think that is a pretty justified top 5.

This is the top 10 as I think most organizations will perceive it:
#1. Quinton Jackson - Undisputed Champion
#2. Wanderlei Silva - Former Elite Fighter, Long Layoff, Highly Anticipated Return
#3. Forrest Griffin - Knocked off #1 in the world, Fan favorite, TUF winner
#4. Dan Henderson - Competitive loss to Undisputed Champ
#5. Keith Jardine - Win over biggest name in MMA (to the casual fan)
#6. Mauricio Rua - Loss, but will remain highly ranked until defeated again
#7. Chuck Liddell - Will stay in the top 10 until he retires or loses to a lower-tier opponent
#8. Houston Alexander -Dominant but unproven
#9. Tito Ortiz - No longer in his prime, important rematch coming up that will likely decide much of his future
#10. Rashad Evans - Unproven, needs a win over Tito to move up anytime soon

For me I think it breaks down like this. I don't include have Jardine higher in this because honestly, he's still the same fighter who went to a split decision with Stephen, he beat Chuck through a decision but so what, one fight doesn't do it for me.

1. Quinton Jackson - Undisputed Champ, that's it period
2. Wanderlei Silva - Top tier fighter, returning from a break
3. Dan Henderson - Lost to Rampage, but still up there
4. Forest Griffin - Incredibly impressive
5. Shogun - Again, with the division as tight as it is, one loss I don't think drops you that far, especially in a competitive match up.
6. Ryoto Machida
7. Chuck Liddell - Still top 10 without question
8. Houston Alexander - Two dominating wins
9. Keith Jardine - Huge win over Chuck
10. Tito/Rashad - They need the rematch to figure out who's top 10.

Also if Arona comes to the UFC that shifts numbers 5 and below down and he comes in at number 5 easily.

Also though guys, the welterweight division isn't the cleanest thing right now either. Where do you guys see the top 10 there?

For me:

1. Matt Serra (I don't actually consider him top five in terms of talent, but the champion will always rank number 1 from me)
2. Matt Hughes (Obviously the number one contender)
3. George St Pierre
4. Karo
5. Jon Fitch
6. Kos
7. Nick Diaz
8. Diego Sanchez
9. Jake Shields
10. Marcus Davis

Also BJ if he goes back up probably sits at 6 to me, shifting everyone down.

I think they should do a grand prix, cuz it'll definitely sort a lot of things out.

well in liddels case its the way he lost. He could have done more to win and he didnt. jardine should have never beat him. so either he didnt train well enough to win or he doesnt have what it takes anymore to win. wanderlei might be over the hill too, but his losses came from getting caught with a big shot... not a decision where he let it out of his hands when he could have controlled it.

I know that many websites are gonna use a ranking much like yours but i have a problem with it.

#1. Quinton Jackson - agree
#2. Wanderlei Silva - agree till he comes in and chokes... i hope thats not the case but history loves repeating itself
#3. Keith Jardine - has to be put over forrest for now at least until theres a rematch
#4. Dan Henderson - i think hes a top 3 fighter but hes not in line for a while till he gets a few more fights.
#5. Forrest Griffin - this is where forrest needs to be.
#6. Chuck Liddell - real bad loss to jardine, not cuz he was dominated but because he didnt do what he needed to do
#7. Houston Alexander -could be the mike tyson of MMA but needs to proove it
#8. Mauricio Rua - real bad loss needs to avenge it
#9. Tito Ortiz - past his prime and prolly shouldnt be in the top 10 but oh well
#10. Rashad Evans - needs to drop to 185 or put on some size, he looks way too small and hes not strong enough to hang in my opinion.

Just watched the Griffin fight last night, FUUUUUCCCCCKKK!

That was a hell fo a cut he got. Still I love the guy, he's like the closest thing UFC have to Rocky.

Give him a shot now, the buy rates would be tremendous, I think Rampage would beat him, but you just have to love the way Griffin keeps on going.

Shogun should of been done in the second though, he was blowing big time

-Keith Jardine ($14,000) def. Chuck Liddell ($500,000)
-Forrest Griffin ($44,000) def. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua ($150,000)
-Jon Fitch ($44,000) def. Diego Sanchez ($22,000)
-"Lyoto" Ryoto Machida ($50,000) def. Kazuhiro Nakamura ($20,000)
-Tyson Griffin ($24,000) def. Thiago Tavares ($9,000)
-Rich Clementi ($24,000) def. Anthony Johnson ($5,000)
-Jeremy Stephens ($6,000) def. Diego Saraiva ($3,000)
-Christian Wellisch ($14,000) def. Scott Junk ($4,000)
-Matt Wiman ($16,000) def. Michihiro Omigawa ($5,000)

Total disclosed payroll: $954,000

Liddell got paid more than all the other contenders combined....and yet he still lost...

Wow, that is freakin' ridiculous.

Why? Chuck is the face of the UFC, he brings in millions and millions of dollars. Jardine is not a household name going into the fight. When Jardine holds the belt for an extended period of time and sells out arenas he'll make Chuck money.

Me and andrei after a training session
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Damn Arlovski looks like a skinny dude compared to you.

You don't think that gap could stand to be narrowed just a little bit??? :wtf:

Two fighters paired up for a fight should never have such a huge gap in pay.

Why not? It's all about who's the draw.

Hate to bring wrestling into this, But Hogan always deserved to get more as he put the asses in the seats

yea hes not that big of a dude hes just shredded

I'd say 6'4 is pretty big. Awsome pick. I'm seriously thinking about training and fighting

well compaired to me... i dont realize how big i am sometimes

Arlovski should let the beard grow, instead of shaving a beard inside his true beard resulting in a five oclock shadow growing out of his beard.

Yeh, but it takes two fighters for a fight. I'm not saying the bigger draw doesn't deserve more, but there shouldn't be an absurd gap like that. It's not like Keith Jardine was some last second fill in that was walking by outside. He's nowhere near the draw that Liddell is, but 14k vs. 500k is ridiculous.

Boxing has huge gaps as well. I'm sure when Tyson was fighting, he was getting millions more than his competition.

Depends on who he was fighting...Holyfield, Lewis, even Spinks probably not. But against the Peter McNeely's and Francoise Botha's of course.

EXACTLY my point. Keith Jardwho?

Jardine isn't that much of a nobody, and UFC likes to push their boys from TUF. And Jardine is one of those boys.

OMG i hope this Joe Scorala guy gets booted out hes suchs a fucking pussy.

Oh wtf.. Serra should have booted his ass

This black guy probably gets submitted in like 20 seconds.

WTF is up with all this Christian bullshit Matt Hughes is spewing?

Hughes is a nut case

It didn't really come off like he was forcing it on his guys though. They're not allowed to read, no tv, no phone, no nothing, he found a loophole and got them the one book that he could get away with. They have the option to read it, it didn't come off like they were mandated to do so.

haha if youve ever had a coach in anything before then you realize that he WAS basically forcing it on them. Not to mention the mandatory prayer and bible study time...

Yeah cause I haven't been doing MMA for 12 years or wrestled since I was 6. I have had a coach, shit I've been in lock ins for event prep. It sucks, being able to read anything - even the bible would have been very accepted by anyone.

Mac didn't read, he was encouraged one last time but not forced. Hence he didn't read. And I will however agree that the prayer is a bit much - though I can't comment if they're forced to.

:roll: haha easy tiger... the way hughes came to him that second time is the exact same way any coach comes up to you when you have a situation where he says its optional but everyone knows he expects you to do it. you cannot argue that....


therefore hughes = nut case

I absolutely guarantee Keith Jardine was paid more than the record shows. Dana White always looks after his guys when they deserve it.

And it looks like Matt Hamill is out of a rematch with Michael Bisping and the rumour is it's Bisping vs. Houston Alexander in Newcastle in January.

Why can't Bisping fight in the States?

It dont matter. Alexander is gunna punt his head off his shoulders and into the crowd in the first 10 seconds of the match.

I'll put £100 on Bisping winning in the first round. Alexander is untested against any skilled fighter who won't stand in front and bang.

The Bisping vs. Hamill rematch was meant to happen on the November show in New Jersey.

Alexander is gonna distroy him..

:(

thats sucks i wanted alexander and wanderlei to go at it

HAHA ur nuts... he didnt even beat hamil... he was handed the win and other than the TUF finals the only people that bisbing have defeated have been elvis sinosec, eric schafer and a split to hamel that he did not win if he was in the states meanwhile houston has demolished jardine and sakara

Jardine "stands in front and bangs" too so I have no idea why yopu're using that as an argument..

he means alexander hasnt gone against a fighter who doesnt focus on stand up

Not taking anything away from Alexander. People are getting over excited about a man in his mid 30s with less than 2 minutes UFC experience. He hasn't had any pressure in his fights either. Bisping had shows build on his name. Granted he looked like shit against Hamill but that's one fight. Liddell looked like shit in his last 2 fights but I'd still tip him against 95% of the 205lbs division.

I really don't care about his UFC experience..

A bad mother fucvker is a bad mother fucker regaurdless of where he honed his skills..

I mean, I beat that street fighter, King Kimbo, given two monthes to train, could fuck up alot of UFC heavyweights..

THIS JUST SIGNED - Michael Bisping vs. Rashad Evans main event in November.

lol wow he gets a contreversial decision and they they say fuck Tito ( trains with Hamill i believe ) and give Bisping, Tito's fight lol. I guess Tito was asking for a shit load of money that they werent going to pay.

yaaaaaaay a fight between two undersized 205 lbers!!!!!


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if they aree the main event in november, then that card sucks

Card is alright. Weak main event but other fights are good.

Spencer Fisher vs. Frankie Edgar
Houston Alexander vs. Thiago Silva
David Terrell vs. Ed Herman

Karo Parisyan is also fighting Hector Lombard

all of those are rumored tho not confirmed.... actually andrei told me that the ufc is still 50-50 with him fighting nogiera in nov.


I know the websites say nog is fighting kongo but andrei said kongo has a shoulder injury so i dunno

name dropper

:foc:

:(

no im not... thats what he fuckin told me. id say hes a 10x better source than any website they have out there other than ufc.com

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand i just looked at ufc.com and the card is announced.... welp.... looks like hes not fighting nog anytime soon :-\

What's confirmed then?

And the Nog thing is a load of shit because they want him next for Couture if they can't get Fedor by November.

I'm gunna predict that UFC are really close to signing Fedor and Fedor will face Randy in January.

( and i'll cream my pants from the moment its announced to the moment it ends )

Hey if UFC is just gunna pay people for Huerta to kick the shit out of for a round. I'm available and cheap. Call me.

And before anyone tried to tell me Guida will be a challenge..just fuck off pls.

well fedor is not going to sign until after the sambo competition which is in either oct or nov... and randy cant fight till next year anyway because of his arm. Now UFC might just be feeding andrei bullshit to keep him happy but there has to be something to it if hes been saying the same thing for the past 3 weeks

Arlovski isn't fighting until he signs a new contract. If he doesn't sign, they'll finish his contract with a undercard fight against a nobody.

RP - You think Guida isn't a challenge? You are having a bubble mate. Huerta hasn't fought close to the level of fighter Guida has.

Sweet Bejesus, the price for these tickets for UFC 78 are ridiculously high....but probably worth it

if by undercard you mean a match not shown on the televised card then you are nuts. His contract has him in all main card fights until it runs out.

Got tickets, going to UFC 78

Nobody has that in their contracts. Not even Liddell and Ortiz.

Fedor signed with M1 or whatever that new MMA promotion is called.

Pretty fuckin gay

yea andrei told me that today... that gives him good barganing power with the UFC now.


Plus I see Randy not fighting again. Theres no reason to now. He would either fight Vera or Sylvia. Theres no shame in losing to Fedor, but he might just retire champion now. Hes making so much money with all his gyms and the movie deal for the new scorpion king movie apparently that he doesnt need the money.

I think you'll see Randy go against Nog or one more with Sylvia, and then whatever happens he retires after that.

lol guess again

Well...Randy has announced his retirement, or "resignation" actually. Story Here.

Sounds like he left on pretty nasty terms. I wonder if he'll wind up going to M-1 eventually for a fight with Fedor.