Kano, have you read The Stand?

No but it rings a bell, I possibly either read it on one of the LOST literature references, or there's an article on 'grey goo' a doomsday scenario in which the whole nano-byte/machine/robot/smoke monster thing is similar to. Is it good?

Well, it's an amazing Stephen King novel. I suggest it. It's probably the biggest influence on Lost. Just the way the characters are approached, and the style. The plot too. The basic concept and a lot of the ideas going on now are hugely similar.
Damen Lindelof has mentioned it never leaving the writing room.

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/915025_f496.jpg

I think that image on the cover stirs up some obvious connections

I'll consider buying it next time I am a' browsing.

Think it was YOUR Hero or Downunder who suggested reading Stephen King's 'Thinner'. I read it and loved it. And it's the only Stephen King book I have read.

Stephen King books are the greatest thing ever.

The Stand and The Dark Tower series are like his big epic stories. Then you obviously have dozens of other great novels and short story collections.
He's so much more than just horror too. It's drama, science fiction, epic. It's just really creative, I love it. I learned that his body of work exceeds the public perception of him, which is obviously grand to begin with.

But back to Lost, I suppose.

The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon

Stephen King loves Lost and the Red Sox. I love Stephen King

I've actually seen him a few times while at Fenway. His home isn't too far from my father's summer place in Maine either

No. THe Plane crashed because in 2004 Desmond didnt push the button because he was outside of the hatch killing that guy. THe charge then brought the plane down.

pretty much what he did in the nfl thread too

Yes, was just thinking that the bomb going off during the time switch may have done something thats all. I know its because Desmond didnt push the button.

Though what makes me think this is that at the start of season 6, off island its presumably Sept 22nd/2004 as they landed at LAX in that timeline, so in that timeline did Desmond get to the button in time or was it something entirely different that brought the plane down originally.

Nope, I have every single episode on my computer, I started watching them with an ex back in 2007 I think and Season 3 was just wrapping up on TV I believe. I got to the season 2 finale and stopped watching then downloaded season 3 and re watched the first two seasons before I continued then I downloaded the episode every week and added it to the season folder for season 4, After the end of season 4 I rewatched the episodes again before season 5 and now here we are at season 6 and I dont remember a whole lot of small details. I mean I do remember alot but some smaller things, like how Kate got Aaron I forgot, what the guy with the eyepatch was called, how Michael and Walt left (I believe in one of the small boats) and that Michael was on the freighter.



When did I ever claim to really know whats going on in the football thread? I watched a few games and got a basic understanding of the game but I still havent a sweet clue whats going on.

In theory there is no button to push in the Alt Timeline. The bomb defused the pocket of energy that the Dharma guys accidentally tapped into to.

No pocket of energy means no button to press, means Desmond couldn't miss the button and cause the plane to crash...as it didn't cos it landed at LAX with Desmond on board. Meaning Des never even went to the island. Or so we are lead to believe.

You don't seem to be getting that the original timeline (from '77 to the plane crashing on 22nd Sept 2004) has nothing to do with the new Alt timeline (whatever happens between '77 and 815 landing in LA). People cannot crossover and meet people in the different timelines - as you thought could happen earlier.

Ah, thanks for the explanation there XL, as it makes alot more sense now.
I have the jist of whats going on, but god I have a horrible memory and cant seem to remember any of the important stuff.

Randal Flagg.

Goddamn.


The episode was so-so, until the final 10 minutes. That was wild.

yea, final 10 minutes were amazing. just was going to post that. Sayid's "crazy" face when he told Ben off was incredible. what a heel turn!!

I can't wait for Jack, Jacob and Hurley to come to the rescue. going to be insane

cant believe sayid killed the samurai dude and his translator

I know what you mean. We've had all these amazing revelations and this episode didn't really tell us anything new. The fight at the beginning was good. I also love that in the Lost universe Keamy is so evil he dies twice.

Looking forward to next week based on the teaser.

It was a great finish to the episode.

I marked out for the coalition of Lapidus, Sun and Linus coming in and saving Miles

I feel like every time we see Sun it's like beating a level in Mario and getting the "Congratulations, but your princess is in another castle!" message.

i dunno.... this week was big for sayid... he was always trying to fight the "evil" man that he was and he finally gave in and embraced it

yea, me too. The Miles/Lapidus reunion was great. Now where did Sawyer go? I thought he'd be with Locke and co

This season started off slow to me, but it's really picked up with this whole war and people choosing sides.

so whos kate guna spread her legs for this season?

Loved the Sopranos/eggs reference.

Not exactly many people left on the "good" side after half the temple joined Flocke and the other half were massacred.

Pretty good episode.

Guess Sawyer is at MIB HQ or doing something for him while they make their way to wherever.

Be interesting to see how Kate and Claire pan out since she said she would kill her if what Jin told her about Kate raising her baby was true, yet Kate is a candidate for MIB also, and he will want to manipulate her maybe somehow.

I'm more concerned about this alternate reality. Really want to know where it is going. I mean it's cool to see all these 'dead' characters and cross-overs, but kinda needs to start either revealing what it's purpose is, or merging with the other reality - we are already 1/3 of the way through the series, and I don't want EVERYTHING to fall into place and be explained in one last episode really.

Pretty sure they promised the two timelines would end about halfway through the season, and it would focus completely on the main reality/Island storyline.

Cool.

End it, make sense of it, merge it, I don't care. I do, but wanna see some epic on-island shit.

As soon as I saw Omar asking Sayid to get in the car I knew we were gonna be seeing Keamy. Still marked out for it though.

Where did they say that? They have just pretty much stuck to not calling it an "alternate" timeline and that eventually the two timelines would somehow be reconciled, etc.

I dont think they mentioned that happening halfway through.

BEN BETTER NOT DIE NEXT WEEK!

no way, right when Ben's about to be executed, the Glass is going to break and Jack and Hurley are going to come driving in to Stone Cold Steve Austin music to make the save

This episode was awesome. Didn't offer any massive revelations but it did a great job of advancing the story line throughout.

Don't really see why people are complaining.

Yeah, one of my friend's complained that it wasn't as good of an episode because it didn't tell anything really.

I said "What? That was a badass episode.. Sayid had an epic fight with Dogen.. people were dying left and right. Keamy was back and got killed.. HOW WAS THAT NOT A COOL EPISODE?"

yes, exactly. Probably my fav episode this season. the one With Jack and Hurley and the Lighthouse is also a favorite.

I need some help from you guys on quesitons i can't quite figure out. maybe you can help


1) This Man in Black guy. So was it him that appeared as Jack's dad and as Sharron to Boun? And all these other "dead" people. Can he only take the form of dead people? Cause then that doesn't explain Walt and how he's appeared to Locke before.


2) Am I to assume now that Ben and The Others really were the good guys throughout all this? Did they know about the Man in Black and everything?

3) What about Whitmore and his group. He was out to get Ben, but if Ben was on Jacob's side all along, that would make Whitmore bad? ughhhh

4) Last one...WHERE THE FUCK IS VINCENT :mad:

Wasn't Vincent in the jungle with Rose and Bernard

1 - I'm not too sure if this is totally correct. I don't like to read all the theory websites into too much detail until the season is done. Make my interpretations more interesting to figure out. But yes, the MIB used Jack's fathers body to manipulate certain choices and events caused and effected by anyone who saw them. He abducted Claire in the 4th season and 'infected' her.

He also posed as Christian to get Locke to think he was working for Jacob, when really, 'someone else' had been using Jacob's cabin, as Ilana pointed out.

Not too sure about all the other people. Yemi to Mr. Eko is a big example - it could've been The Island being representing Yemi as Eko's last chance to redeem himself, as a kind of 'last chance', yet when he confessed nothing and said sorry for nothing, the smoke monster killed him. That might of been The Island's way of allowing the MIB to act on his duty or something. Or it could've been the MIB since Eko's death lead to Locke 'finding his way', which inevitably lead to the situation were at now.

Always wondered about Walt appearing to Locke. Again, think it was either The Island, MIB or even Jacob. Whoever it was, they knew what effects would occur when Locke got out of the pit.

2) Yes and no. Ben never met Jacob, not knew of the MIB and he doesn't seem to know at all what the whole meaning of the Island, Jacob or the MIB is. He was just taking orders from Jacob handed down by Richard, in the form of lists, tasks etc. Richard said to Locke when he gave him Sawyer's file in season 3, that Ben was wasting The Other's time on trivial things like childbirth (women not being able to give birth) when he realised how special Locke was to the Island. This makes me think Ben did have a real leadership role in what they did. So I guess it's down to interpretation. Ben was/is and can be a bad guy, but really, he was working with and for Jacob, so he is also good. Then you have to look at each individual person too, like Pickett, he was a prick/bad guy kinda.

Also, Richard wasn't told by Jacob at all as to the real reasons for what they were doing. Seems as though Jacob was very reluctant to tell them anything, which is apt since it mirrors his philosophy of being all about free will and choice, whereas MIB is all about manipulation and the allure of having a chosen destiny. I really feel for Locke in this respect because he started to believe in himself and something big so much. Looking back when MIB as Christian asked Locke 'why he was here?' in the cabin, and Locke replied, 'I'm here because I was chosen' it's like although he believes its for a good reason, its the complete opposite.

3) The thing with Widmore is that he ordered Keamy and his men to get Ben, and torch the Island. That was Keamy's orders. Yet there is evidence that Widmore is/was right and good. When he told Ben to kill Alex as a baby, he claimed it was because of the will of the Island. Yet Ben challenged him on that point that if it were true, Widmore should have no problem doing it. If it was the will of Widmore (for whatever reason, I can't tell) then it would be good to know why? - maybe to frame/or put Ben in a bad light anyway because he and Ben didn't see eye to eye. OR if it was the will of the Island, it would have something to do with something more important, something I can't really think of right now - maybe to not have the events that happened, happen.

But then Widmore really did seem to know what was going on in the episode 'The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham' - he said a war was coming to the Island, and if John Locke wasn't back on the Island, the wrong side will win. Now he could've known Locke would die, and that the MIB could inhabit his body, and he wants the MIB to win, and have some kind of reward. OR, he really did want Locke back there, to lead and to have the right/good side win. I don't know.

But Widmore and Desmond are a very interesting thing for me. I can't wait to see what happens.\

4) He was last seen when Sawyer found Rose and Bernard on the beach in 1977 timeline. I assume he was Rose and Bernard's pet now, and that wherever they are/were, he is too.

Oh I was just imagining things then.

Nah seriously though I know that Damen Lindelof said it. It was this summer, so I would say Comic Con?

P.S. He didn't technically say alternate universe. I just used that term. He was talking about what this seasons storytelling device would be, without revealing it (ie flashbacks, flashforwards, time travel)
He said it would be something different and new, but would only last for half the season and it would all come together into one for the first time, moving to the finale.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watc..._ends_how.html

That's a quote from Mathew Fox. I heard Damen Lindelof talking more or less about the same thing in another interview

well there you go. I stand corrected. Apologies

Thanks Kano for taking the time to type all of that :y:

You answered a lot of questions. You actually sprung to mind another question I meant to ask as well. When we are talking about the "infected" here. What is the infection exactly? Is it a pyscological infection or what? How is MIB infecting them? I never quite understood this.

But yea, I am also curious about where Whidmore and Desmond will end up in this final season.

The whole 'infected'/sickness thing, there are different versions or instances of what is supposedly out there....

The first time the idea of infection come up was with the French woman in season 1, she claimed it had infected her team and she was forced to kill them. In season 5 we saw the smoke monster take one or some of her team into the ruins and underground, and kill others. Robert I think was his name, he came back to the beach and appeared to be friendly to the French woman (this is when Jin was time shifted back to when they arrived and she was still pregnant), but he wanted to kill her. So wherever he went, he was either 'infected' or possessed by the MIB whether he had died or not, like Sayid or Claire. So since he wanted her dead, he was infected, acting in the interest of the MIB, for what reason I don't know....maybe to actually kill Alex, her unborn child? An attempt that might of been re-attempted when Widmore claimed it was the will of the Island for the child to be killed. I believe what we are being told about him wanting everyone dead is true.

Then in Season 2 with Desmond. Kelvin claimed there was an infection out there, so he wore the suit. But then he and we saw that it was bollocks because the suite had a tear and he was really venturing out to fix Desmond's boat. But Desmond still injected himself everyday up until he killed Kelvin I think. The same injection Ethan gave Claire and her baby. Not forgetting the 'QUARANTINE' notices on the Swan hatch door, and even the Arrow station with the tailies.

But what's going on now, to do with Claire and Sayid - I don't know exactly how it works, but with Sayid - 'he was dead for 2 hours' according to Hurley, and then was back - think it's something about them dying, and the MIB able to control them. And I always thought....that when Keamy's men shot a rocket at Claire's house in Dharmaville in season 4 and she was hurt, and Sawyer saved her, although it was moments after it happened and Sawyer found her, what if that explosion actually killed her? she vanished into the jungle and found her 'father', who was really the MIB very easily. Maybe the MIB 'took her' and started to poison her soul straight away when she died then and there. It's just an idea.

If she did not die, it must simply be that with enough manipulation and power, the MIB can begin to 'claim' people's soul. And if they are weak enough, or tempted by what they perceive to be good (Claire, her father and the promise of Aaron. Sayid, the promise of Nadia) then they are 'amenable for coercion' (a term that undercover cop used to describe Locke, who would eventually become the ultimate pawn).

So yeah, with regard to what kind of infection it is - it's like supernatural psychological I guess. It's about being able to exploit people's emotional/spiritual characteristics and manipulate the physical (dead body theory). How he is infecting them? - still don't actually know what he is, in the simplest idea, I guess he and Jacob are two entities on a completely different and higher plane of existence to mere mortals. It will be interesting to finally find out what they are, how they became 'trapped' in this whole service to the Island thing. Not forgetting the Island itself. The MIB saw that kid who told him about breaking the rules, so MIB is not the know all and end all to this whole mystery, which is pretty fuckin sweet.

Least that's my take on it at the moment. Even with a theme with the sickness/infection, there's a lot to think about and wonder what the deal is.

I like Kano's style here

Kano is my Lost wikipedia site. ok, so at least we don't know yet on what this infection really is yet. It's just something that causes people to get demented or whatever

Any one else notice Jack in the hospital when Sayied went into the Hospital to check on his brother in law? They walked past each other in the hall way

I don't wanna sound like I'm bitching too much but I don't feel like I'm as "into" the final season as I expected I would be.

I mean, yeah we're getting answers but are they the ones we've waited 6 years for?

At the moment they seem to have neglected how the rest of the mythology they have built up through Seasons 1 -5 will fit into the overall story. How did the Dharma Initiative find the island? Do people like Alvar Hanso or Charles Widmore still matter to the story? How are the numbers (which are now connected to our main characters) relevant to the computer in the Swan hatch? And so on.

Is it all gonna come down to the fact that Jacob brought everyone to the island as potential candidates? Or are his candidates made up of random people that have happened across the island? We now understand that Jacob has been watching the candidates live their off island lives, was it necessary for everything to happen just to get his "Top Picks" there?

Did he bring or allow the DI to come to the island so that they would tap into a pocket of energy, so that a station containing a button would need to be pressed every 108 minutes and then bring Desmond to the island so that he could one day miss pressing the button and bring down the plane containing Jack, Sawyer, Kate, et al?

I just hope that the writers retrace their steps a little to bring it all together.

At this point I have to believe they will.

Aside from the above, this episode left me with one major query: WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE ASH?

We've been led to believe that the ash around the cabin was keeping something out (if it was to protect Jacob) or keeping something in (MiB?) - although contray to a post I made a couple weeks back...if MiB was trapped in the cabin, we wouldn't have "seen " the monster as early as the Pilot episode.

Recently we saw Braum try to protect himself from Smokey with a circle of ash and the monster using alternate methods (a stone pillar) to remove him from the cirlce so he could attack him. We've seen Illana collect some more ash and we saw the Others at the temple protect themselves with a big circle of ash when they learned of Jacob's demise.

In last night's episode we saw Flocke/MiB stand outside of the temple at the line of ash, where he sent Claire in to do his biding, presumably because he couldn't cross the ash line. Then we find out that it was Dogen that was keeping him out!!!

So, not the ash? Or was it somehow a combination of the ash and Dogen?

They seem to give us something (in this case the "fact" that Smokey can't cross the ash) and then take that from us. Which leaves us with yet another question to be answered (or an older question to be re-answered).

Perhaps I'm just getting a little impatient with it all now.

another great episode. I'm a Ben fan and a Richard Alpert fan, so I really liked this one. Jack finally came to believe that he's on the island for a purpose. Ben almost getting swayed to the dark side and then having a change of heart was great. And I've always been a sucker for those slow motion reunions at the end of certain episodes with that same song playing in the background.

And then Whidmore :cool: to end it. Classic. Can't wait till next week

Desmond must be coming soon, right?

Was desperately hoping it was Desmond in the submarine instead of Widmore. Or even that they'd put their differences aside or something and come together.

oh yea, and that was interesting to know that Frank was suppossed to pilot 815 and then Ben goes the island got him in the end anyway

We've known that Frank was supposed to pilot flight 815 since back in series 4 when we first saw him

it has to do with the balance.... dogen was the on the side of the scale that was good. so mib couldnt cross the ash to his side or else it would disturb the balance. same with the dude trying it in the temple. with dogen dead, the ash doesnt work anymore.

we can only hope. The past 2 seasons have been lacking in the Desmond department

RECON -

Shit this episode was awesome, possibly my fave so far!

Although it was only one episode, I loved all the correlations and similarities and references to previous events and situations; how Widmore's camp is the new Othersville with the sonic fences and how the Hydra island in the new crash site.

Some other things...

- Claire holding Kate's hand, must be like how Jacob's touch is a gift, think Claire was channeling MIB's super manipulation powers.

- Sawyer has a whole lot of conning on his mind, still think he will turn face before the end when he realises what is really going on.

- Really want to know what MIB's real plan is. I believe it IS to kill everyone and once he and what he represents wins the almighty battle of dark vs light, whatever presents itself surely must be what the Island is all about.

- Sayid seemed to be on heroin this episode.

- Trying to figure out what is behind the locked door in the sub; Desmond?, another bomb?, Jacob's body/remains?, porn?


Did I mention this was a fucking good episode!?

I find it interesting, that, as far as I can tell anyways, Fake Locke has yet to lie about a single thing, or at least not squirmed away from the truth (IE why he told Claire the Others had Aaron).

Yeah that was what I forgot to mention! Yeah I noticed this when Sawyer asked about the people at The Temple. I DID think he was going to lie though.

The thing is, it's not what we know he has told the truth about as such, it's what we don't know what he could be or is lying about.

He does seem more appealing to the goals and motives of the characters, and us watching the show getting answers. He gives answers quickly, presents himself with a somewhat believable past - but he does represent manipulation, the dark, the corrupt and has the ability to instill beliefs and hope of destiny into people, people like Locke who is dead, Sayid who is claimed and compremised, Claire who is claimed and insane.

Sawyer though, who although is only looking out for himself and out to get off the Island, he is good, he isn't claimed and he is a candidate.

Jacob, he is all about choice, allowing the individual to truly gain purpose and earn some kind of destiny through faith in something else as well as themselves. And at the same time, we have these characters, and every character has and does exhibit signs of both.

I think after the episode Ben has been following MiB not Jacob.

ben overthrew widmore, killed the Dharma who Jacob has a truce with, then exiled Whismore. then later he has Ben make Saywer clear a runway so Akira can land on it, to then take MiB home.

Ben devoted himself to jacob but follow the MiB thinking it was Jacob ( break in the ash ring allowed MiB to take over Jacobs cabin

I think this episode almst seals MiB as the goof guy but cast as the bad guy

Don't think there is going to be any "good" or "evil" in the end. Things are not so...black and white, so to speak

It is a sound theory and makes sense but I don't think that the fact that certain things and events occurred were all part of MIB's plan or totally just for his benefit.

Ben was tainted from the get go by MIB or the Island when he was saved in The Temple as a child. He overthrew Widmore because he couldn't prove that it was the will of Jacob that baby Alex died by doing it himself. He did kill DHARMA but was ultimately groomed and supported by Richard who was in communicano with Jacob. The list and acquisition of Jack, Sawyer and Kate was based on Jacob's order, at least if your theory of Ben breaking the circle of ash is correct. Besides that flight ultimately landed team Jacob onto the battlefield anyway (They're coming).

Everything that happened didn't always go according to either Jacob's or MIB's liking, but I think Jacob and his team will be the underdogs until the very end, he seems to be down and out but I think he has a bigger more profound and effective plan in the works.

Got to remember what Jacob said to MIB on the beach when the Black Rock arrived, 'It only ends once, anything that happens before that, is progress'. Each version of events on Island, off Island, in the past, present and future are 'progress' and this time round will obviously be, where 'it ends'.

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This show is like MADE for you isn't it Kano

Yea, Great Episode. I am loving the Sawyer character right now, especially after this one. He's all over the place. I know it's a minor thing, but I thought it was awesome when Sawyer caught that Zoe girl in a lie and pulled the gun out on her. That's classic Sawyer. Locke/MIB is a sneaky SOB and I think you're right in that eventually he is going to turn on his "clan" and off them all.

lol @ Sayid. he was fucked out of his mind

Yeah no shit. Sayid is fucking GONE.

You know how the side flashes are like "Life without Jacob"? Well look at Sawyer. Still looking for revenge, but he is a good guy without him, and with Jacob he is a hate filled scum bag.

I do like the references and shit.

LeFluer as the code word :)

I know, that's what I was referencing. But I highly doubt that its going to be as simple as that.

Two contrasting ideals/philosophies? Sure. But straight up good and evil? No chance.

Also, how about Locke seemingly planting the seed in Kate to kill Claire?

Claire's kid is the dead Locke

Anyone else as excited as me for next week's episode?

FINALLY GET TO FIND OUT WHO RICHARD ALPERT IS I AM SO HAPPYYYYYYYYYYY

Also, I think Terry O'Quinn is going to be a shoe-in for an Emmy for this season's performance.

That though crossed my mind during watching this last episode too.

Locke has tits

Better.

Yeah can't fucking wait for the Richard Alpert episode. Definitely a "holy grail" of LOST episodes.

But I really REALLY can't wait for the smoke monster flashback episode (episode 15 I think it is)

Where do you guys find the info on whose the main star in the upcoming eps?

I know on Wikipedia they had a listing of who it is centered around. They don't have it for every episode but got it for a few. Like in 2 weeks thing Hurley is main g.

For the Richard episode they showed a clip after the last one.

I'm so fucking excited for this episode. I mean, I thought I was excited to finally see a Sawyer centric episode this season, this announcment got my panties so fucking wet.

well that pretty much explained/confirmed a lot. The zoom in on MIB/Locke at the tail end was awesome.

That episode was fantastic. Not only the best of the season thus far, but one of the best of the series.

Indeed it was...explained a lot

Solid episode, no real shockers in terms of Richard's origins, but it was nice to see Nestor Carbonell take center stage for once. The final scene was pretty great.

I want more of Richard's life on the island, doubt we'll get much though. Also need more Titus Welliver so badly. Man is great.

I would like a lot more on Lapidus. I know we're not really getting flashbacks besides Richard, but I feel like he's been just along for the ride the entire time. There must be some reason he survived besides keeping Sun company and asking questions to help clarify things for the audience.

Agreed


There is a reason he was supposed to be on that flight, and that reason led him to the island

It was a good episode.

One thing though, how come we had Richard arriving on The Black Rock at night, crashing into the statue, when in The Incident episode (season 5), The Black Rock is visible from the Island during the day, on calm seas?

Cause a storm came that night and crashed the ship on the island.

yea, I thought that too, but like the guy above said, a storm probably came up quickly at night. Even though we and Jacob/MIB could see the ship during the day, it was probably still very far out to sea. They could of been hours away from the Island, even though it looked close

Plus if the islands as mythical as it all seems I've no real problem with Jacob just pulling a storm out of his arse to pull the ship in.

Grrr, I don't like inconsistencies like that. It was clearly the middle of the day, the sea was calm and The Black Rock was not far off.

I also find it disturbing how Richard, the oldest of Jacob's allies and who should know the most and believe the most, was so easily swayed to change his mind to join MIB, even after Jack proved they were there for a purpose with the fuse going out.

Still, it was a good episode and all.

Given the circumstances, I think Richard just lost it. You see how people who watch the show react when they think the show has no meaning, let alone how someone would react if that was actually their life.

Yea, but you got to think it could still be the middle of the day and they could still be 10 hours away from shore. Remember, it was like 1867 or whatever. Boats were slow as hell back then. I go fishing a lot on motor boats and we go way out into the ocean. We could still see the shore from where we are, but it still takes 2 hours to get back in. Plus ocean storms come up very quick on you. It could be clear as hell one minute and then 15 minutes later be pouring rain and lightning

So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt with that one

OK fair play, just for the sake of the viewer, who most likely is not familiar with the whole fishing trade/sea scene, it just confused me as to why they did it what way.


Some other things I got from the episode -

- MIB spoke of 'him' or 'it', or something which lead me to believe it wasn't actually he himself who took Richard's wife. Although he IS the smoke, did he suggest something else controls him when he is smokey? if this is true (what he suggested), do you think it is the truth? I find it hard to believe since this season he has seemed to be able to choose when he transforms, where he moves and who he kills etc.

- Just remembering the meeting Sun had with Widmore back in season 5, about them both wanting to kill Ben. Maybe his arrival is not totally unknown and that will have some kind of bearing on what happens.

- Cannot wait until Jack sees Lock/MIB.

- Who you think, at this point, will become the new Jacob if that is the way the story goes? - I have been thinking about it, and I keep coming back to Jack. Everyone else could simply go back or have some kind of definite ending. Jack as the new Jacob, and Locke still as the MIB, together for eternity. But then I still also think Jacob wants Jack to kill MIB.

- MIB told Richard to put the knife into Jacob's chest, as in a sure way to kill him. I wonder what Sayid did wrong to the MIB in 'Sundown'? Surely it can't simply be because he said hello before he did it?

Most likely. MIB said don't let him say one word or it's too late.

Know what the most intriguing part of the ep was for me? At the beginning, when Ben was talking about Fake Locke, he said something along the lines of "He's not quite Locke". Could just be Ben being Ben, or else maybe there's more Locke leftover in MIB than it seems.

I dont think the same rules apply to MIB and Jacob.

MiB said last night that Jacob took his body and humanity. So that makes me think he is always smokey, but just assumes the look of a human. SO plunging a knife into him wouldnt kill him, which is what Dogen knew, he sent Sayid to be killed.

MiB is definitely lying to people. He finds those who are most desperate and prays on their loss, promising what they desire most but cant have to get them to do his will. If Jacob cant bring back the dead, no one can, so MiB is lying to get himself off the island.

Sayid, Richard, Claire. All missing a lost loved one (though Aaron is alive).

I think MiB "scanned" richard when he was in the ship, and saw a means to gain control. So he then appeared as Isabelle, and made Jacob out to be the Devil.

The boat destroying the statue is fucking BS. Wood on Stone and the wood wins?

I just think that is normal lost writing being cryptic.

Its not "Quite" Locke. It looks like him but it isnt him.

I kinda hate the fact that real Locke is dead. He was my fave character.

MIB getting Richard to do his bidding and kill Jacob nearly kinda worked, I'm sure is he prayed on the right person in time, Jacob would've been killed. MIB working his plan with the plane crash, the course of events, time travel, gaining Locke's body really was a mission and a half.

Also, there is still rules for him to follow, and the Island having its own entity. Can't forget the small boy who came to MIB talking about the rules and that 'he can't kill him'. Still keep thinking that it was MIB who killed Jacob by pushing him into the fire and breaking the rules.

You also need to consider the power of the wave that was carrying the Black Rock and struck the statue.

According to Lostpedia, the Statue is estimated to be about 200 feet tall...so yeah, thats a pretty big wave.

Might have been MIB that caused the wave. Anyone think of that? After all, why would Jacob want to break his own statue? Might have been more of a 'diss' to Jacob on the MIB's part. lol