Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 3624324)

Elaborate. Not trying to be a dick here, I'm legitimately curious. I seem to recall your biggest gripes being about the perk system, which seems to have even more emphasis this time around.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 3624324)

See what I mean about the overreacting? None of these are gamebreaking. Annoying, sure, but not gamebreaking.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3624450)

You, I and everyone here knows you would not argue what I said if ANYONE else said it.

For whatever reason, you wish to get a rise out of me. Give it up.

Javelindom, sure fire from far away and you will be fine...likely.
4.5x run speed, sure get a high rof gun and shot in front of them.

But there is no way you can tell me truthfully that an endless bombardment of air support from start to finish is not gamebreaking.

My advice? Stop being an asshole and admit fault when you are wrong.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 3624488)

Get your head out of your ass. I'd argue it whether it was you, Kalyx, Req, Roxer, or anyone else.

You know what's the worst thing that can come out of any of those glitches, Icebox? You get killed and respawn. Perhaps you'll lose the round. End of the world, I know. Same goes for any glitch. If it's that bad, exit the game and find another one.

Yes, glitches can be annoying. There's a difference between being annoying and being legitimately gamebreaking. Even if you're playing with someone calling infinite care packages, it's still perfectly possible to win. Req calling noob tubes gamebreaking is similarly stupid, for the same reason (whoops, never mind, I forgot I don't disagree with anyone except you).

Play Mercenary TDM, I guess. That's what I played mostly when these glitches were going around, and I saw them once in a blue moon.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3624505)

You very rarely take the offensive with anyone else.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel in the MW2 thread (Post 3121284)

Christ I love using OMALOL and being a total asshat.

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel, about 3 posts after the last one (Post 3122318)

One Man Army Laugh Out Loud

Assault Rifle with Noob Tube
Claymore
Smoke

OMA
Danger Close
Ninja

Fire both tubes, change to same class, wash rinse repeat.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3624507)

Dying repeatedly due to something that shouldn't exist in the first place, sounds like game breaking.

For me, dying is what I -don't- want to do. I'm not sure what your objective is when playing, but I play competitive games like CoD because I want to be good. I want to be better than the other people, by using legitimate means to outkill, outthink, and use better teamwork. You might not be bothered by getting killed repeatedly due to these kinds of things, but for some people, it ruins the game. When something like tubes become a 'part of the game' that are abused every other game by one or more people, it most certainly is enough to feel like there's no longer a point in playing. When there is no skill being used, and abuse of a BROKEN/overpowered weapon, it breaks the game for many. I didn't pay $60 for a game and however much for DLC to have my experience ruined by a developer's refusal to fix something that's broken. Or by them taking months to fix something.

I feel we have very different 'standards' by which to judge games by. A game like Team Fortress 2 still has such a loyal following years after its release, because Valve is a company that knows how to please their customers. They -regularly- patch the game, and they are trying to create an environment in which people aren't given the opportunity to get consistently angry at a design flaw.

Seems like you're just discarding these inherent flaws as something people should 'get over', instead of urging the developer to DO something about it. I for one, will not be purchasing this game in order to do just that. I'm not happy with how they design their games, or neglect the game after it's released only to spend their time on new content instead of fixing old content.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3624507)

Dying repeatedly due to something that shouldn't exist in the first place, sounds like game breaking.

For me, dying is what I -don't- want to do. I'm not sure what your objective is when playing, but I play competitive games like CoD because I want to be good. I want to be better than the other people, by using legitimate means to outkill, outthink, and use better teamwork. You might not be bothered by getting killed repeatedly due to these kinds of things, but for some people, it ruins the game. When something like tubes become a 'part of the game' that are abused every other game by one or more people, it most certainly is enough to feel like there's no longer a point in playing. When there is no skill being used, and abuse of a BROKEN/overpowered weapon, it breaks the game for many. I didn't pay $60 for a game and however much for DLC to have my experience ruined by a developer's refusal to fix something that's broken. Or by them taking months to fix something.

I feel we have very different 'standards' by which to judge games by. A game like Team Fortress 2 still has such a loyal following years after its release, because Valve is a company that knows how to please their customers. They -regularly- patch the game, and they are trying to create an environment in which people aren't given the opportunity to get consistently angry at a design flaw.

Seems like you're just discarding these inherent flaws as something people should 'get over', instead of urging the developer to DO something about it. I for one, will not be purchasing this game in order to do just that. I'm not happy with how they design their games, or neglect the game after it's released only to spend their time on new content instead of fixing old content.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 3624531)

Very rarely does anyone else act as irrationally as you do.

And very rarely do you stubbornly argue with anyone else.

You might have a point if not for 2 things. 1) It takes about 30 seconds to exit a game and find a new one, and 2) These glitches get patched. I know, I know, a month for a patch is an ungodly amount of time. It still gets patched though. And I'm not advocating exiting the game every time someone is glitching. But if it's so bad that you're getting worked up over it, why they hell wouldn't you?

1) I should not have to exit the game in the first place. Did you manage to read that this time?

2) Eventually, they should be working to get them out ASAP. Not spending over a month jerking off in a corner. This does nothing but piss off the people who bought it that don't want a game full of cheaters and build a bad reputation.

Want an example of customer service? Again, Team Fortress. It built a strong fun community with great gameplay by....

Allowing gamebreaking behavior and cheaters and taking an abnormally long time to fix the problem?

No, the exact opposite.

I thought my position was clear. Apparently not. Here it is. Infinite care packages are not gamebreaking. Care package running is not gamebreaking. Javelindom is not gamebreaking. For reasons I've already run over multiple times. The hack that was going around where you'd get negative experience? That would be a gamebreaking glitch, if it actually were a glitch and not a hack.

Anything that is used which wasn't intended for normal gameplay, disrupts the competitive nature of a game where to win you need to be skillful.

All of those things were not put in the game intentionally, however they were found and abused to give the user and unfair advantage hence they need not actually be good at the game to appear good at it.

Now, I admit tubes may not fit that definition. However I remain with the side that views them as an absolutely skill-less way to appear like you have skill at the game.

Not really. Again, for reasons I've already expounded on. You didn't seem to have a problem with it, though.





I've read this over 4 or 5 times now and I'm still not sure what you're saying.

The posts you are referring to, where myself using it in retaliation and to much great effect.

Why you might ask? Well because I am a very skilled player at FPS games without resorting to using a game-breaking or skill-less mechanic to look like I am good at the game.

So when I do use skill-less mechanics, it makes me a goddamn god. Why do I refuse to use them? I DO NOT NEED TO.

End of story.


Why shouldn't it exist in the first place? It was placed as a legitimate weapon in the game by developers. It's part of the game. It's easier to use than other weapons, but so what?

Noob tubes are a sterling example of just how thin-skinned and fragile the COD community is. Anything that interferes with their pwning is overpowered and broken. Noob tubes, MLC knifing, quickscoping, Tac inserts, OMA, Scavenger...hell, just insert anything from the game here. I'm confident someone out there is complaining about how overpowered it is. Req, we've played together a bunch of times, and I'm sure at least some of those times had more than a couple of tubers. You always did just fine.

MLC Knifing? Something that makes you run as long as you want and slightly faster at that, that doesnt make you take damage from falling from a 40' tower and allows you to reach an extra 5' with a knife lunge isn't gamebreaking. Alright.

Tac Inserts? They are not game-breaking when used like intended. They however when you have two skill-less players on opposite teams and one of them is 25-0 and the other is 0-25? But nope, they are not gamebreaking.

OMA - Where is the player pulling those extra grenades from?

Scavenger wasn't gamebreaking at all, it allowed you to pick up ammo. Ill agree it should only have allowed bullets and equipment if that player that was killed had it to begin with.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 3624550)

I'm not ignoring any inherent flaws. By all means, glitches should be patched, which they are.

Requiem is doing the smart thing, and not buying a game based on design that he doesn't like. Fallen Angel? Still gonna buy it. And then probably bitch and whine when the latest "broken" perk combo gets found, while still actively playing the game. Then he'll buy the next one and the circle of idiocy will continue.

Originally Posted by RoXer (Post 3624576)

Suddenly, Fallen Angel is Team Fortress's biggest cheerleader

Originally Posted by RoXer (Post 3624577)

Remember that time he got 5 kills a s a heavy?

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3624583)

However, quality game companies understand -balance-. TF2 is a balanced game for the most part. A weapon like the tube IS unbalanced. It doesn't have to do with a 'pwn' mentality. It has to do with fairness and not wanting to piss off the people who play your game.

I never feel like any class or weapon is overpowered in TF2. The -ONLY- frustration I ever have in this game are the lack of skilled players at times. A lack of coordination by my team will ruin my game in an instant. However, I never feel like any weapon is too powerful, or unfair, or that any class is unfair. It's always the skill of a player that actually makes a difference in a battle. For instance, I get killed by scouts non-stop and they piss me off. But I play them and I am terrible at them, so I understand that it takes a certain kind of skill for someone to be good/effective at them. Doesn't mean I think they should be removed from the game. They're not unfair.

Tubes on the other hand, I could pick up and 'own' with just as easy. But it's not fun. It's annoying. I hate it, because if someone even thinks I am somewhere, they shoot a tube through a window and boom, I'm dead just like that. There goes my awesome killstreak.. oh, what's that, they did it again? Great.. fantastic.. oh look, they just did it again. Fuck this is getting old.. ok god damn it, that was the 4th time, use something else. Are you fucking kidding me, AGAIN?! WTF THIS FAGG$#$@T&(HSD(FHSDFUSDHF(&A

That's what it ends up being.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3624588)

If a tube was legit difficult to use, and was less powerful, I would not have near as big a problem with it.. ala black ops, it was never an issue. Barely ever saw anyone use a tube, and when they did it was normally just for a quick attempt at clearing something out or getting someone away from something. It didn't have near the explosive radius, and it couldn't be refilled. That alone caused people to stop using it and abusing it like they did in MW2. Further proof that MW2 handled it completely wrong.

Originally Posted by Captain of Fun (Post 3624593)

Honestly, why don't you stop arguing on a call of duty thread, with a call of duty fan, and just go play team fortress 2?

It will make you feel better, and most importantly, you will have more fun.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 3624613)

My God. No Fallen Angel, you shouldn't have to exit a game. Under no circumstances should you ever have to through the hardship of hitting search again. The way you're reacting to this makes me think of someone walking down the street and seeing a pile of dogshit on the sidewalk. They could just step over it, or walk around it, but GODDAMMIT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. No. You shouldn't. But it takes five fucking seconds.

Perfect example! The cunt walking the dog should have picked up after his animal. Any other analogies you would care for me to tear apart for you?

Regarding the timeliness of patches, I'm just going to say go read the discussion we had over it in the MW2 thread, as there's no way I'm going through that stupidity again.

Oh yes, you played that games for days on end without seeing a single person exploiting something not intended to be used.

That is believable as me telling you I got first place in the hundred meter dash. What you are ignoring is the fact everyone who has posted since we started this argument has encountered it has encountered it alot, except you of course...for some reason.


Ok. Gonna put this in bold this time, so hopefully it sinks in. There is a difference between something being disruptive/annoying/unfair and something being GAMEBREAKING. We clearly have different definitions of gamebreaking. So there's nothing more I can say.

You don't need to use them, except to retaliate against those who do. All....right.

Lets say you are playing 5 card poker, but someone switches one of their cards with one on top of deck.

Lets see what they did, they allowed themselves access to 6 cards when everyone else had access to 5. Each of the other players had the option to cheat but they didn't. Why? It's wrong.

So one player has an unfair advantage over others due to doing something not intended to be done. The game is everyone gets 5 cards and plays/bluffs on their hand. When one person is different, they broke the balance and fairness of the game through actions that need no skill.

I.E - Gamebreaking.

Now if you are a poker player, you can understand this. What happens if that player is found to be cheating? They are booted from the game and if a casino, banned from further play for a longtime if not lifetime.

What does this do? Restore balance to the table and get's rid of the people making the game not fun for others.

Game no longer broken.

Check and mate.

None of these things are glitches. None of them are gamebreaking. They still get complained about, is the point I'm trying to make. Tac insert boosting specifically for a nuke is the only thing I'll say is stupid, cheap, and assholish. But it's still pretty easy to avoid.

There are ways to deal with this without having to leave the lobby. All of which I shouldn't have to use in the first place.

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 3624667)

Times I like this I'm glad me and Funky's fighting game talk go so well.

Originally Posted by RoXer (Post 3624671)

And also, one's black

Originally Posted by Fallen Angel (Post 3624670)

Comparing Funky to Blitz is like comparing apples to oranges in the aspect that one of them will admit they are wrong when alot of evidence has been given in contrary to what they are arguing.

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 3624678)

After every post, I tell myself, not gonna respond to Fallen Angel anymore. But then you come up with something even stupider and I have to respond.

You keep stubbornly arguing instead of admitting you are wrong. Not my fault.

Listen to me carefully here. I. am. not. saying. you. should. have. to. exit. the. game. The glitches should be fixed. And they are. It's an unfair world, Fallen Angel. Sometimes bad things happen. Sometimes games are glitched. Until those glitches are fixed, why don't you do yourself a favour and leave a game, rather than flying into a rage and calling the developers cunts for not having a patch ready a day after the glitch is discovered. It's an easy, short term solution until a long term solution is implemented. Instead, you seem to get off on lathering yourself into a rage over the stupidest bullshit.

Can I have your Xbox 360? It seem's to be able to avoid these sorts of games.

Howeever mine and Requiems I know for certain as he and I share the same views seemed to keep putting us in lobbies full of these people.

We seemed to encounter people using these things at their peak a good nine out of ten lobbies.

Guess you are lucky or something.


This is the stupidest thing you've ever written. Fallen Angel, tell me this. Why on Earth would I possibly lie about not seeing any glitches in COD. What do I have to possibly gain from that. Make you look like an idiot? You don't need any help. Hard as it is to believe, I don't sit around thinking about what useless lies I can tell on a message board.

The majority of the COD community has stated how much they hated the game when the Infinite Care Package glitch was being used.

A few people in this thread and a few in the MW2 thread stated it was rampant and ruined the game for them. Like it ruined it for me and like it ruined it for alot of other people.

But just because YOU didn't encounter it much means no one else is allowed to bitch about it.

But that wouldn't make sense anyways, because I've never said that I never saw any glitches. Go back to the MW2 thread where all this started, and all I said was that I don't see them to the extent that others did. I saw Javelindom once that I recall. I never had a match where I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that someone had infinite care packages. I saw some care package runners. Again, no where near as much as other people seemed to.

Playing Rust during Javelindom, you saw it all the time. Any small map really. You knew you were killed by it when the killcam showed a Javelin laying on the ground and nothing else.

You could tell people were using the infinite care packages after a few matches when you noticed that after 4-0 they seemed to be unleashing alot of killstreaks (check the killfeed, it also shows whats being called in)

And care package runners not as much as anything else, but I'd say a good three or four out of every ten had someone using it.

Have I ever called what anyone else is saying bullshit? Have I ever said to you "Shut up Fallen Angel glitches don't exist you are lying!"? No. They do exist. I've never debated this.


You certainly do not argue with others as stubbornly as you do with me.

Let me use your analogy to tell you what would actually be gamebreaking. In a poker game, a player discards all his cards, and goes through the deck, and pulls out the 5 cards needed for a Royal Flush. That's the end of the game. This person cannot lose, no one else can win. If a person were to draw a sixth card, they're still beatable by a better hand. That's why it wouldn't be gamebreaking. Unfair and cheap, yes. Gamebreaking, no.

A game is a contest based on an established set of rules, which tests the individual skill of each player.

Breaking the rules, breaks the game.

And yes, I agree they ARE still beatable. There I agreed. YES they are. But if they win, did they win fairly? NO THEY DID NOT! Can they claim to be a skillful player? NO THEY CANT! Did they ruin the experience of everyone in the game, who knew it wasn't a completely even playing field that was only influenced by skill alone? YES, THEY DID!

The ONLY way to test skill and claim you are better then another player is on an even playing field abiding by all the rules and if you argue you that. I am done because you really are just a stubborn cunt.

But let's say this person is drawing an extra card. It's unfair and cheap and illegal. So the dealer takes the deck of cards he's drawing from, and ejects the person from the game. Such is what happens in COD. The developers patch the game, taking away the tools that the glitcher uses. If COD was played for money like poker, you can believe that player would be banned as well. But there's just a little less at stake. It's still easy to make someone an avoided player, therefore not playing with them anymore. But I know, I know, "I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT!"

What I'm taking away from all this is that you'd enjoy video games a lot more if you took them a lot less seriously.

I do enjoy video games, offline. However when I wish to play online and test my skill against others, I wish to do so on an even playing field and not have to put up with people the developers and other people involved with running the game for the public will not punish for breaking the rules.

Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 3624599)

Because I happen to still enjoy the Call of Duty style game? And because if everyone just posted nothing but positive comments toward a game, this place would be boring and pointless?

Also, just for the record.. not that it has anything to do with it persay, but THIS is what I consider a valid discussion/argument about something. This is what I intend in any thread where I'm talking about sports or whatever. I'm not spazzing just because I make some long response to someone. I'm having a legit discussion about something. No one is arguing here for the sake of arguing, IMO. Nobody is getting bent out of shape (as far as me and Blitz are concerned, IMO).

This is how I discuss video games. I break them down and I discuss them. Isn't that the point of this forum?