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Mr. Nerfect 07-10-2015 09:18 PM

I'm seriously stuck on the World Title match. I can book like six epic matches that I can reasonably see happening given current deals and such (and no one coming back from the dead or permanent injury), but I just cannot find an obviously HUGE World Title match.

John Cena defending the World Title against someone seems like the best bet right now. Or chasing his sixteenth title at WrestleMania. But given that he's likely to be booed, I think casting him as the defending champion is the best bet.

I had this thought at the start of the year, but then let it go, but now it is creeping back: How about Finn Balor? I know it would be his first WrestleMania and it might seem surreal to put him in such a spot, but the guy has been astonishing in NXT so far. His entrance at WrestleMania alone would make it feel like a big fight. Balor himself has said that his dream Mania opponent is Cena, and it'd be a "franchise passing" moment that might actually not get shit on (like Reigns might).

Even if the reign of Balor is short-lived, it could still be a fairly epic moment. And it's not like the WWE are about to cut their losses with Balor. Might as well give him a shot.

Jazzy Foot 07-11-2015 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sixx (Post 4664581)
What kind of a fucking show is that?

God knows......actually that was the point. But yeah it was so fucking weird.

DAMN iNATOR 07-11-2015 05:01 PM

They could probably go somewhat old-school and do a Fatal-4-Way, 4 Corners tag or a tag elimination gauntlet.

The Usos v. The New Day vs. The Ascension vs. Prime Time Players (c)

Dunno.

Mr. Nerfect 07-11-2015 05:42 PM

The Ascension and The Primetime Players just aren't Mania tag match material yet, in my opinion. Let them appear in the Battle Royal, but let the best teams fight over the Tag Titles.

Lock Jaw 07-11-2015 08:02 PM

The Usos are pretty much the only Mania tag match material though, so there has to be some leeway.

Sepholio 07-11-2015 08:06 PM

Usos vs Lucha Dragons

or

Harper/Rowan vs The Dudley Boyz

Either match will work fine for me.

Mr. Nerfect 07-11-2015 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4665022)
The Usos are pretty much the only Mania tag match material though, so there has to be some leeway.

Hmm, true, although I'm sure more teams will pop up. I'd argue that Harper & Rowan are credible enough to be considered for the spot. And The New Day are pretty much guaranteed to be on the main shows these days.

Lock Jaw 07-11-2015 09:43 PM

Oh yeah, Harper/Rowan could definitely be Mania match material.... They have had some "classic"/"good" matches with The Usos already....

Mr. Nerfect 07-11-2015 09:47 PM

Yeah, I'm thinking they could get a Mania opener spot or something.

Evil Vito 07-11-2015 10:04 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Hopefully Harper and Rowan stay as a team once Rowan recovers from his injury over the next few months. I imagine Harper will flounder as a solo act in the midcard until then (he shouldn't flounder, but I don't trust WWE to do much of substance with him).</font>

Mr. Nerfect 07-11-2015 10:21 PM

Harper could very easily be Seth Rollins's next insurance policy.

#1-norm-fan 07-12-2015 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sixx (Post 4664581)
What kind of a fucking show is that?

God is an awful booker. Makes me think wrestling heaven is not the awesome promotion we all assume it is.

DAMN iNATOR 07-12-2015 10:35 AM

Wish we knew of any vague SSlam '15 plans...

Mr. Nerfect 07-14-2015 08:06 PM

Watching RAW makes me think that Seth Rollins vs. Triple H or Seth Rollins vs. Kane is a go. OK.

Jazzy Foot 07-17-2015 11:06 AM

Several people here having a pop at me for suggesting an Undertaker v Lesnar rematch for WM32 yet according to the news stories, WWE is seriously considering this as a possibility.

Doesn't look so stupid now does it?

ron the dial 07-17-2015 11:16 AM

still looks stupid

Rammsteinmad 07-17-2015 11:16 AM

Really sick of these yearly "Undertaker's Wrestlemania opponent" reports. Mad respect to the Undertaker, but it's fucking over. Move on and let other people shine. I have no interest in seeing Undertaker vs Lesnar again, and there's nobody on the roster at "that level" that looks like a viable threat to the non-streak anyway.

I also have no interest in Rollin's vs. Triple H. Same thing as 'Taker. Triple H hasn't been a full-time active roster member for about four years now, yet always seems to find himself in storylines where he's called to in-ring action at Wrestlemania. Same shit every year.

Shisen Kopf 07-17-2015 11:20 AM

Biker Taker is undefeated at Rasslemania. Just sayin'.

Big Vic 07-17-2015 11:23 AM

So is Surfer Sting.

#1-norm-fan 07-17-2015 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazzy Foot (Post 4668375)
Several people here having a pop at me for suggesting an Undertaker v Lesnar rematch for WM32 yet according to the news stories, WWE is seriously considering this as a possibility.

Doesn't look so stupid now does it?

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Originally Posted by ron the dial (Post 4668381)
still looks stupid

Incredibly stupid.

Jazzy Foot 07-17-2015 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 4668384)
Really sick of these yearly "Undertaker's Wrestlemania opponent" reports. Mad respect to the Undertaker, but it's fucking over. Move on and let other people shine. I have no interest in seeing Undertaker vs Lesnar again, and there's nobody on the roster at "that level" that looks like a viable threat to the non-streak anyway.

I also have no interest in Rollin's vs. Triple H. Same thing as 'Taker. Triple H hasn't been a full-time active roster member for about four years now, yet always seems to find himself in storylines where he's called to in-ring action at Wrestlemania. Same shit every year.

Well WWE need to stimulate interest and the best way to do it is send out rumours.

People say it sounds stupid but reading the reports and alleged thoughts of WWE creative it appears there are similarities in my line of thought; Undertaker never actually addressed his loss to Brock Lesnar and both he and Heyman have been ridiculing him at times since WM 30 culminating no with turning attention to Kane.


If Undertaker is really only one more match away from retirement then send him out with a bang and either avenge that defeat to Lesnar or lose again.

Don't throw someone "new" or a rising star into the mix again. Wyatt has nosedived in importance since that loss and in fact was already nosediving since the Cena loss at WM 30. Wyatt's only "significant" moment in recent times was when he eliminated Bryan from the RR.


I also suggested Undertaker v Sting at a PPV other than WM as I suspect neither men would want a loss at WM 32. Summer Slam would be great but I think the Survivor Series would be better, build it up for months etc.

Also Survivor Series is where both stars made their debuts so would hold that significance as it were.


Undertaker v Brock Lesnar WM 32 seems to be the way.

Big Vic 07-17-2015 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazzy Foot (Post 4668397)
People say it sounds stupid but reading the reports and alleged thoughts of WWE creative it appears there are similarities in my line of thought;

so this is why the product is quite bad... hmmm...

Jazzy Foot 07-17-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4668407)
so this is why the product is quite bad... hmmm...

Would probably be much better if I had full creative control.

Mr. Nerfect 07-17-2015 11:19 PM

If they ever want to do Taker vs. Sting, do it on its own Network special and base it entirely around their careers or something. No need to clog-up WrestleMania with that booking nightmare. If Taker vs. Lesnar Modern II is going to happen, then SummerSlam is probably the best bet.

The CyNick 07-18-2015 10:55 PM

Just doesn't make sense to build up Lesnar for two years just to lose to Taker.

The only logic I can come up with is if Lesnar was champ coming into Mania, and you had Taker challenge him, people would think Taker would win and retire, but you just have Lesnar destroy him. However, with Lesnar as a face now, that booking doesn't work.

Depending where they go with Owens, I could see him as a logical opponent for Taker, but again, I feel like he should go over. Owens should be being built up to headline.

Cena could lose to Taker and not get hurt by it. Sting would make some sense. I hate the idea of Kane, because it would be God awful. Rollins could be alright.

DAMN iNATOR 07-18-2015 11:29 PM

Simple solution: Have 'Taker show up at Battleground, he tombstones Lesnar, pulls Rollins over him, gets the ref to come to in time to make the 3 count. The next night on RAW, 'Taker solidifies his heel turn with a badass promo saying that he didn't care when Noble and Mercury were taken out by Brock, but when he attacked and injured his brother, Kane he got pissed and asked Steph and Triple H to allow him to join on with The Authority as a replacement bodyguard and protector of Rollins. They agreed, and so now, almost 1 1/2 years later he's back, not just to protect the champ, but to rip him apart and end his career not just for what happened in WM XXX, but also for daring to assault Kane.

Savio 07-19-2015 12:28 AM

Why would Taker want to protect Seth when Seth attacked Kane as well?

DAMN iNATOR 07-19-2015 08:40 AM

Realization that Seth only attacked him in the heat of the moment, and besides they made up anyway.

Heyman 07-19-2015 09:32 AM

Here's what I'd do even though this has zero chance of happening:


Main-event: Cesaro vs. Lesnar


Taker's last match: Undertaker vs. John Cena


Tag match: Triple H/Stephanie vs. The Rock/Ronda


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Heyman 07-19-2015 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4665089)
Harper could very easily be Seth Rollins's next insurance policy.



I like this idea a lot.


You know what I think would be cool actually? If at some point in the future, Rollins brought on Harper, and then eventually brought in Rowan as well. Harper and Rowan would be Rollins' new henchmen. Get rid of JJ Security, and everyone else.


Somewhere down the road, you have Ambrose, Reigns, and a newly created face in Bray Wyatt going up against Rollins, Harper, and Rowan.

Blonde Moment 07-19-2015 11:20 AM

Have the Ut interfere by taking out Rollins after a pedigree on Lesnar costing Lesnar the match leaving a pissed off Lesnar in the ring. Monday rolls around and Heyman is out alone talking about how the Taker broke the 11th commandment and how that wasn't too bright considering the beating he took the last time. HAve the Taker appear on the tron talkign about how it wasn't person just taking care of family business and he ain't done yet. After that have Lesnar jumping through hoops to get a rematch while also chasing after the Understaker leading to a triple threat at SumerSlam. After that I get a little lost..

WM32
Cena/Reigns for US title
Owens/Lesnar for WWE World Heavyweight Title
Rollins/Taker
Cesaro/Ambrose WWE Intercontinental Title
HHH/Sting II - Maybe have Taker cost Sting the match out of frustration over losing to Rollins in a close one due to something or other
Barrett/RTruth Sceptre on a pole match with winner becoming the "undisputed" king of the WWE
Stephanie and the Bellas/Ronda Rousey, Charlotte and Paige
Finn Balor/Joe for the NXT title

Mr. Nerfect 07-21-2015 07:39 PM

Holy shit, The CyNick appeared...

Mr. Nerfect 07-21-2015 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Heyman (Post 4669319)
I like this idea a lot.


You know what I think would be cool actually? If at some point in the future, Rollins brought on Harper, and then eventually brought in Rowan as well. Harper and Rowan would be Rollins' new henchmen. Get rid of JJ Security, and everyone else.


Somewhere down the road, you have Ambrose, Reigns, and a newly created face in Bray Wyatt going up against Rollins, Harper, and Rowan.

I like the idea of Bray Wyatt turning face to try and reclaim his family.

Heyman 07-22-2015 11:05 PM

The only guys that should beat Lesnar cleanly at this point are


1) Ryback - really not ideal for me, but the way the WWE are pushing him, he might be the best guy to do this at Wrestlemania next year (and it truly saddens me to say that).


2) Cesaro - if built up properly......but I don't think this will happen any time soon. I still have hopes for somewhere down the road, but who knows.


3) Seth Rollins - this would be my #1 choice. A heel Seth Rollins cleanly and convincingly going over Lesnar at Wrestlemania. While Rollins would have to deviate from being a chicken shit heel to an 'honorable heel' (if you want to call it that) at Wrestlemania, this might be the best way to go.


I wouldn't mind seeing Ambrose turning into that guy, but the WWE don't see him in that light.

#1-norm-fan 07-23-2015 03:36 AM

The guy who beats Lesnar should be "face of the company" material. Neither Cesaro or Rollins is that guy.

As much as I love Ryback, I'm not sure they can successfully salvage him and realistically get him back to that level he was at when he was first getting hot.

Whoever it is, they need to start methodically booking them on an upward climb now and have it happen at WrestleMania.

Big Vic 07-23-2015 08:58 AM

Yeah sad thing is, is nobody is ready.

Blonde Moment 07-23-2015 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4672470)
Yeah sad thing is, is nobody is ready.

I think Cena and Orton need to get injured at the same time for 2-3 months and force the issue. The have the talent, they do not have the faith or competent bookers ....

Heyman 07-23-2015 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4672433)
The guy who beats Lesnar should be "face of the company" material. Neither Cesaro or Rollins is that guy.

As much as I love Ryback, I'm not sure they can successfully salvage him and realistically get him back to that level he was at when he was first getting hot.

Whoever it is, they need to start methodically booking them on an upward climb now and have it happen at WrestleMania.



So if it's not Cesaro, Rollins, or Ryback, then who is that guy?


The WWE wanted it to be Reigns, but he was too green.


Daniel Bryan's career is in serious jeopardy and so he's likely out.


WWE's best bet might be to re-push Randy Orton for the umpteenth time.....as erroneous as that may be. The WWE can play it off as 'after all these years', Orton is finally starting to realize the potential that Triple H initially saw in him.

Big Vic 07-23-2015 03:37 PM

Thing about Orton is I don't think HHH will ever have him look better than he is.

Heyman 07-23-2015 03:55 PM

It's a shame as well. The WWE had two golden opportunities to really make something out of Orton and failed both times:


1) Orton's premature face turn after Summerslam 2004. WWE should have pushed Orton as a 'cool heel' as they did with The Rock in 98/99 (i.e. a heel that gets massively cheered by the fans). Evolution should have kicked HHH out of the group, and Orton should have been the new leader..........with Batista going over heel Orton at Wrestlemania 21.


2) That one Wrestlemania where Orton fought Hunter - no way Hunter should have gone over. Orton, with Legacy, should have easily beaten The Game. The week before Wrestlemania, Orton should have been able to kick Stephanie in the head to add to his massive heeldom. Legacy was way the fuck over during this time period and it got squashed.


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