I know Burchill isn't a main event talent, or anything, but I wasn't referring to the tiers of wrestlers it represents. I mean that if you take a look at who exactly is on the roster, there is so much potential there that it almost makes me wish for a two-hour show. Burchill and Noble could wrestle for twenty minutes alone, for all I care.

It's got the right mix of new-comers and veterans now, and only being and hour show they usually don't bullshit you with backstage shit or fifteen minutes of Behind Enemy Lines Colombia promos. It's definitely the best use of WWE time for the week.

I would cream my pants if they did a Christian/Edge/Jeff/Matt ladder match at the Bash because I am going to be there. It would be more epic than Shelly Martinez selling her pants on eBay.

They don't have the potential for a two hour show. Christian helps, but after him you have Swagger and Finlay.
Bourne and Miz/Morrison are exciting, but they're just midcarders being groomed for Raw.

Raw and Smackdown have far deeper rosters, and even they sometimes have a hard time producing a 2 hour show. Just in the past year they've both improved a lot, but any roster of Raw or Smackdown from the past 7 years has been deeper than ECW's is now.

A 2 hour ECW would not be good. There's only one or two main event stars, if that, and a couple of solid midcard potential.
It's a great 1 hour show, and it could be getting greater, but...yea.

I think if they threw like 2 or 3 more legit main eventers and an uppermidcard star on the show, then maybe it'd be a stronger argument, but as of right now I see none.

Personally I'd like to see them combine Raw and Smackdown somewhere down the line, cut a lot of fat (Mark Henry's and Kozlovs) and force a lot of retirements (JBL, Taker).

Then they could send some of the top guys that would be lost in the shuffle, like Rey, Jeff and Jericho to ECW, and make that two hours. Really elevate the belt and main event scene there, while breeding young guys.

It's not going to happen though

The current ECW roster is probably the best its ever been at the moment. Mark Henry sticks out like an sore thumb though, but I guess it's fine if they use his credibility to put over the young guns.

Agreed. He didn't even use the original version for all that long before he left, I think.

That would actually be really awesome if it would ever happen. It would help a lot with the perceived lack of depth on the rosters (RAW and SD!), and would help get ECW to be taken seriously by everyone.

And they could *gasp* make the ECW belt gold. And get rid of the Divas title. And half the Divas.

I can dream, I guess...

I actually looked at a list of all the talent, and thought about it. Providing guys like Kane and JBL retire anytime soon, and guys like Taker and HBM retire from full-time activity, it would really make a lot of sense.

VERY bad decision on the WWE's part here in my opinion.

Hopefully, the WWE won't deliberately mis-use Christian over some childish grudge (as they did with D'Lo Brown).

Just saying that 90% of you will never be happy. Just saying.

I'm surprised you are against Christian being on ECW right now, Mr. Hindu. Normally you and I see pretty level on these sort of matters.

You're right, but I think they could make a two-hour show work. It'd just be a different formula to their other shows. You'd have to give the mid-carders more time. For example, Paul Burchill and Jamie Noble should be allowed to actually work matches. Every week, you'd feature some sort of special "RAW vs. SmackDown!" match, to advertise those two shows. John Morrison & The Miz work their usual magic, and with other guys like Ricky Ortiz, DJ Gabriel, The Boogeyman, Mark Henry, the main eventers and the women still floating around, I think you could pace it out.

I probably wouldn't do it every week, unless they heavily changed the rosters around, but a two-hour special edition of ECW every now and then would be kind of cool.

I think ECW would be a good place for Rey, Big Show, Regal and maybe even Jericho if they stop using him in the Raw main event.
I'd rather see him in the Raw main event, but if it's between ECW main event/training young guys and the IC title, I'll take him on ECW.
I think it would be great because he'd get a lot of time with his matches, with some talented young guys so he could kick it more old school.
He also would be booked as dominant, rather than sneaky.

To be honest, I just don't see the point.

In my opinion, ECW should be a stomping ground for the following:

1) new wrestlers with semi-promising to promising talent that could benefit from getting more air time on a smaller stage (due to the fact that at the current juncture, they wouldn't get much TV time on the regular shows). A bigger role on a smaller stage can help set them up down the road when they move to a main show. Kofi Kingston, CM Punk, and Jack Swagger are all good examples of this.

2) Old veteran wrestlers that have decent name credibility and can help put over younger talent (i.e. Fit Finlay, Tommy Dreamer, Mark Henry).


ECW should NOT be for a guy that is way over with the fans, is in his prime, and a major return from a sabattical.

Christian should have returned to RAW or Smackdown...period. Just as Jericho re-debuted by coming out and interrupting Orton, Christian also should have come out and interfered with an upper-card wrestler on a MAJOR show.

By associating himself with ECW, it basically wreaks of a guy that is nowhere near main-event status.

It's just a really bad business decision in my opinion.

Christian shouldn't be treated like a Test or a Val Venis or whatever....and he was. If this is the WWE's way of making Christian "pay his dues" for leaving back in 05', then they are more immature/amaterish than I thought.

An absolute boneheaded move in my opinion. :n:

Why put such big names on a show that hardly anyone watches?

At worst - guys like Big Show, Jericho, and Rey should be on Smackdown.

Regal could be a decent guy for ECW however.

Well, I don't mean ALL of them. I just mean one or two. They've put serious talent there before. I think it can be good. It's something for them to do when they're in a down period on one of the other brands.
It's similar to what they planned to do with Benoit, before other things happened. It also was good for Matt for a while, and Big Show as well. Had Angle not parted ways, he could have been great for the brand for a decent amout of time before being moved back to the bigger shows.

I think that remains to be seen. I honestly think more people will tune in because of Christian. Several people on this board have already stated that they will now watch ECW after last night.

I think Regal would be great as a champion GM on ECW. It'd be a good place to push him, and let him dominate for a stretch. Like Finlay, he could be very helpful to the young'ns

I'd much rather see Christian used in the Money In The Bank Ladder Match than win the ECW Championship, to be honest. He should've returned to SmackDown by coming out and interrupting Edge.

I'd love to see Regal with a 'world' title. He'd be amazing as a main-event heel on ECW, especially considering what they've given us as main-event heels recently.

No wonder you're so obssessed with my use of the phrase "strawman."

Point of interest, I wasn't "playing the victim." Also interesting that you would choose the "you're just wrong" line of argument after criticising me for something "your mom" would say. It's more or less like saying someone's argument is childish and then responding with "Nuh-uh!"

TPWW is hardly the most reliable marker of wrestling fans.

:'( I believe in you.

I'm not sure the Jericho comparison is particularly level, especially since it distorts a lot of the complaints that were leveled against Jericho's return.

Man I really hope that Christian wins a World title in his new tenure.

I actually wonder how many more TNA wrestlers will go to ECW when they switch. TNA run a lighter schedule, so maybe ECW is just being used as an OVW bring back up to speed kinda thing.

Chris Jericho returned during the main event hour of RAW, the company's flagship show, to interrupt the WWE Champion.

Christian returned on ECW, the C-show, to barely defeat a total newbie after help from Finlay and Hornswoggle.

I know that Jericho was a former World Champion and that Christian has only won World Title gold in TNA, but he deserves MORE than what he got. And it's not going to hurt him because Christian is the man and he will rise through adversity and claim his spot on one of the main shows, and that's not my argument. It's that WWE has completely fumbled what could have been made a huge return for one of the best, most charismatic guys in the business. It's a WASTE for the company to auto-create a main event star as opposed to making him "re-earn it." That is stupid on their part.

To everyone who is saying that I'm just complaining that it's not good enough, you're right. It's not god damn good enough. And anyone who is arguing that WWE could not have made a more dynamic entrance for Christian, and that said entrance would not have immediately assisted him in getting way over with the crowd, you simply are not seeing the potential of what Christian's return COULD have been.

Back after he returned from his suspension, I was hoping that Regal would go to ECW. I think he'd be perfect for them. He can guide some of the younger guys, and if he wins the ECW Title and then fails his third wellness test, it's not big deal.

While I wouldn't put Chris Jericho on ECW, I can see the rationale behind moving Rey Mysterio and possibly Big Show there. I'd actually go with Rey Mysterio and Umaga, myself.

You're guilty of the exact same thing. When people talked about CM Punk not being treated right after the Survivor Series 2006, you did the exact same thing, from memory. Get over yourself.

No, it's not. It's me not taking you seriously. Especially on this matter. Also, crying about being condescended to seems like playing the victim, to me. You're definitely whining about something.

I strongly disagree. Fox, I ask you two things:

First, tell me about how Christian could have debuted in a bigger way, without locking him into a program with someone like Edge, Matt Hardy or Jeff Hardy. They are all doing their own thing. I want to see something realistically different.

I also want to ask you about which ECW Championship match the brand could put forward other than Jack Swagger vs. Christian, that would be just as interesting/exciting.

Fox, I don't know how old you are but I am going to assume you are of working age. If somebody left your workplace over three years ago, barely progressed professionally and then came back to a higher position in the company than you - would you be happy? I wouldn't and I bet workers with the WWE wouldn't as well.

Chrisitan has potential, I am not arguing with this but for me he would have to re-earn his place in WWE. He didn't have to leave when he did, he made his choice. If he came back to the same position as the people it is being suggesting he should feud with, it spits in the face of what they have accomplished and their loyalty to the companyand others as well. 'yeah fuck off to TNA for a few years, come back here and we'll pretend it never happened. Oh yeah, we'll put you in a high position within the company as well.' I don't agree. You will also have new fans in the new WWE target audience who will have no idea who he is anyway, as frustrating as that might be it's the truth.

I'd like to see Christian do well, he was on the verge of breaking through to the next level before he left.

That there is the same point that me and Jeri have been making. Not that that is a criticism, since it clearly needs repeating, because after every time its mentioned, there is at least 3 more people saying he should have been booked to clusterfuck and destroy any credibility in any of the running storylines right now.

It might be a marks dream to watch the TLC 4 in a match together, but first and foremost, Wrestlemanias are well known now as the one show of the year that will produce 3 or 4 really solid one on one matches. There was absolutely no scope for him to be entered into a singles programme at this point.

Second, stripes need earning. As far as I'm concerned, he may have been close to becoming main event in E, but he didn't. And he may have been in the Main Event in TNA, but not for long. Samoa Joe, AJ to a degree, and a retired wrestler in Mick Foley took his spot. He was just midcard again for a fairly long time. What is it that qualifies the guy to get into a Main Event Programme? He can't draw either.

Lastly, ECW needs an established talent in his prime to be on the show. It needs more if anything. He is about to be pushed as the star of the show, and whether you watch it or not, if you like C, you will be more inclined to watch a show in need of higher ratings. Most of you will watch R or SD anyway. What benifit to business would he be on them shows?


HE IS A MIDCARDER. The internet is probably what drove them to put ECW on live in the first place. He would have been buried even harder had he not been the fuel for rumours for months.

Mackem makes a very good point.

As good as it would have been to see Christian return into the Hardys/Edge storyline, it does seem kinda forced. In fact Christian would merely be "Main Event" by association.

Since he left, Edge has become a legitimate ME wrestler, Jeff has been over for years and finally got that little push into the ME scene. Matt should be right at the top of the Upper-Midcard with his ECW Title win and fued with Jeff. Christian returns from nowhere (for most of the WWE audience) and becomes instantly "ME" material due to his past with these guys? Stinks for all the guys that have been plugging away waiting for their chance in the 3 years Christian has been away.

I think a happy medium could have been reached if they'd done the opening segment on this weeks Raw. Have Swagger come across to Raw to address Hornswoggle cos he "just couldn't wait til Tuesday" and then have Christian re-debut on the A show and set up the match between them on ECW for the following night.

This achieves the following:

i) Christian is reintroduced on the Big Stage.
ii) Those fans of Raw that don't watch ECW may well have had their interest piqued enough to tune in on Tuesday.

Ok, did any of you put this into your mind??? Christian can now interfere in the Elimination Chamber or even enter... What if Jeff gets attacked again? See they bring Christian back on ECW to get the Face response, but then he turns heel on Sunday cuz he attacks Jeff once again.

Also this brings credibility back to the ECW Title.

Interfere in the Chamber match? How would someone like Christian break into a cage?

To your first question, there are multiple ways. He could have entered the Royal Rumble, for instance, made a huge impact by eliminating several guys, and maybe even making it into the final four before being tossed out by someone like Randy Orton. He then shows up on RAW the next night to cut his big return promo before being interrupted by whoever his first feud would be against, maybe someone like Chris Jericho, and winning a quick verbal sparring match against him.

Another way would've been to have Santino come out at the top of the hour to cut one of his usual promos when Christian's old music hits and he walks out on the stage and proceeds to tear into Santino as he announces his return. He gets into the ring and after a few words, hits Santino with the Unprettier. Bam. Christian is back on RAW.


The most obvious and best though IS the proposed Jeff vs. Matt vs. Edge vs. Christian storyline heading into WrestleMania 25.

At the Royal Rumble, Jeff has Edge beaten for the WWE Title when the ref takes a bump. Christian runs out and nails Jeff with a steel chair, the Unprettier, and Edge gets the win. The next episode of Smackdown, Edge comes out first thing and says that he had no idea that Christian was coming back, let alone that he was going to help him win back the WWE Title. He says thank you. Christian comes out and says that he didn't do it for Edge - he did it because he's gotten sick and tired of watching Jeff be the "brother that could." He reminds everyone that there was a point in time when the four of them were breaking into the business together - almost ten years ago. When Edge became WWE Champion, he said okay, that's fine. But now Jeff is a former WWE Champion, and Christian doesn't want them overshadowing him. He didn't cost Jeff the title to help Edge - he did it to make a statement: He's Back.

Later it would've been revealed that Christian didn't try to run Jeff off the road and didn't knock him out at the hotel. At the rematch between Jeff and Edge at No Way Out, Matt shows up to "help" Jeff, but ends up knocking him out too. On the following Smackdown it's revealed that he was the one who did all of those things to Jeff, because he's sick of his little brother getting the spotlight.

So you build to WrestleMania with Jeff being conflicted with his dreams of winning the WWE Title at WrestleMania and the turmoil of his brother turning on him - Matt with nothing but utter jealously and selfishness aimed at his brother and his own undying desire to win the WWE Title - Christian with his cockiness and uneasy relationship with his brother and his desire to make a splash in the WWE - and Edge, wanting nothing but to get away from these people with his belt intact.


As far as who should've faced Jack Swagger for the ECW Title, MVP or R-Truth would have been great choices.

Since when does fairness have anything to do with booking in the WWE? How is it fair that Vladimir Kozlov has already had atleast 2 WWE Championship matches on PPV when a guy like Shelton Benjamin, who is clearly a much better talent and has been with the company since 2001, has NEVER had one? It's all about the money. Vince books Vladimir vs. Triple H over Shelton vs. Triple H because (he believes) it will be a bigger draw.

Christian vs. Edge vs. Matt vs. Jeff is a big money match. That is something that people will be drawn to come and see.

What's a draw about Christian vs. Jack Swagger? It's a waste of talent.

You're only remembering a partial truth, which is what you usually do. See also, your statement, even after .44 Criticdalene proved you wrong, that I said Jericho was not returning.

I've said it before:

• I am not responsible for what you infer.
• I am not responsible for what you assume.
• I am not responsible for what you make up.

Telling me to "get over myself" is more of the above, as well.

Looks more like you have no argument, and are hypocritically trying to avoid reasoning.

Again, I wasn't "crying." Your assumptions are baseless. Well, they seemed to be based in the continued need to attack me, even though I'm not doing the same to you. Be less defensive, Noid.