Lol, Dynamite gets a spike off Raw and it still barely cracks 1 million. Hang it up, guys.

2.11 million for RAW after Rumble

Raw over 2 million for the 2nd straight week? They don't even have Booker of the Year! AEW clearly about to get a MASSIVE rating, right???

Obviously TK is still booker of the year even if he can’t grow interest in his product. It’s the people who are wrong.

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Not a good sign in a week where there’s a lot of attention on wrestling.

Wrestling fans clearly don’t know what they’re missing out on.

The show followed its usual trends and went downhill across almost every segment. My favorite thing about that is how Dave Meltzer tries to explain it away in comparison to SmackDown, which tends to get people to tune it. “Network television is different to cable for…well, for a number of reasons. It just is.” It’s because SmackDown starts with main eventers, gives you a hook, then finishes with the most important thing on the show. Dynamite is disconnected segments, largely in a bubble, with no show-long story.

Darby and Joe did get a 6% increase for their main event, which is the second time they have been almost unique with growth in the main event. Darby has got something and Joe can be ratings when they point and aim him correctly. But they’ll never figure it out.

899k for Dynamite. Ouch. Good thing they’ve got a massive increase coming.

Still crazy to me that the third hour of Raw will be mercilessly mocked for dipping below 1.6 million, yet AEW can do about half of that on a Wednesday and it is considered a “hot product.”

Well, I do think a lot of people are moving away from that label a little. But I’m listened to the Lapsed Fan’s TNA journey right now and they were getting some >Dynamite numbers on Monday nights. Granted that was 13 years ago, but they are constantly ridiculed for not being able to grow their product, and yet here we are with AEW and the kids’ gloves have to be on.

Dynamite - 899k
Rampage - 375k
Smackdown - 2.47 million
RAW - 1.81 million

Damn Sami is really driving those SD ratings. Good for him. Wonder what WWE would be like if they had struck gold with him 7 or 8 years ago whenever he first came up to the main roster.

I liked Sami back then, but part of his success now is based on him having been there so long and navigating that system. He could have been “da man,” but it would have a way different feeling to it.

824k for Dynamite. Nice to see that what they’re doing is definitely working.

Couldn't milk Jerry's death for a rating

The booking in AEW is so bad. If you start at the top, MJF vs. Danielson should be a classic feud, but it’s followed AEW’s own tropes and neither guy feels like they’re hitting the notes they should be. It’s like they’re all feuding with different people. The obvious arc of the feud is Danielson wants the belt, MJF twists the knife about Danielson’s best years being behind him and that being a shame. How fucking hard is that?

Adam Page and Jon Moxley are feuding about who takes more head shots in 2023. When they wanted a graceful exit for Mox from the the title scene, why they chose this guy who is supposed to be a top babyface is beyond me. Just let Mox take his vacation. If he’s sticking around, he should have had a heel to keep him tied up. A Lance Archer or something. It wouldn’t be brilliant, but at least it would make thematic sense.

By the way, what’s happened to The BCC? Why aren’t they helping Danielson? It seems like he’s buddies with this Takeshita guy, but he’s already got a faction. This doesn’t make sense.

Chris Jericho is doing his best ‘99 era Hogan. He’s trying to stick it to the world by “making” young guys while keeping himself over, only this hurts them and sets them back. Ricky Starks is going to be a damn fine addition to NXT.

Remember when Dave Meltzer said the AEW tag division was the best ever? He literally said it was the best ever. How’s that working out? He was delusional then, but even that sycophant would have to admit that even if it were actually great, it’s fucking not now, and that’s an indictment of the booking.

The Women’s Division fucking sucks. That’s on Tony Khan, but honorable mentions go to the genius mind of Kenny Omega and Britt Baker being allowed to play her bullshit backstage.

Speaking of Kenny Omega, it’ll be interesting to see what happens when “The Homer” is revealed. But even though he sucks and has done actual damage to AEW and its chances to appeal to people, do even his fans think this ill-advised trios bullshit is the best use for him? They paid for licensed music and tangled guys on the last leg of their contracts up in meaningless segments that lose ratings and damage the show. Maybe Omega could have been put into a program with Page for Revolution? That took me less than 5 seconds to think of and it works better than what they’re already doing.

This shit isn’t good. It hasn’t ever been good. The cracks that were always there are splitting more and more as the unprofessionalism of this shit becomes more and more clear.

What’s going on with Will Hobbs? Adam Cole? They start stuff and then it never goes anywhere.

Who plays Tony Khan in the film made about him commissioning the deaths of wrestlers to exploit for television ratings?

it should go without saying things are relative. If tna were doing half of AEW's numbers it would be a huge victory for them. Obviously AEW has stagnated. A reckoning will be coming their way when the new tv deal comes up. The Raw specifically is shrinking week over week too though. And the pace is picking up. At some point in the not so distant future AEW and Raw are going to be in spitting distance of one another and not becuase AEW blew up.

And Dynamite is a big part of the problem. WWE has a deep enough roster to somewhat (SOMEWHAT) manage the oversaturation issue but AEW absolutely isnt.

With the WWE at least they tour which keeps some cashflow going to offset the production costs but AEW is just a money pit. It has a host of problems they i dont think it can survive.

But its failure should never be a reason to prop up the wwf. Thats absurd. That would be like comparing Disney to Nikelodeon. They both make kids programming but theyre operating at completely different levels. If disney loses 100 million its a bad year. Id nick does it they go under.

If AEW averages 1mil they can potentially earn more for the network through ad sales. If wwf does they lose money. Its pretty straightforward.

Raw just needs to lose the 3rd hour and they’ll be averaging 4.0s in no time!!

It would help viewship but hurt revenue. Its a weird time. Dynamite is the same issue. Its not helping numbers week to week but with them not touring the money from TBS is essential. So its a weird catch 22. They need the money but its sucking the life out of them. The business model is completely counterintuitive.

That’s all well and fine and you make plenty of cogent points, Destor. But it all falls apart when you consider FTRBadFedBaldVickieEvilNylaPenisShamblesROFLROFLROFL.

I'm a Shamblin' Gamblin' Man!

It doesn't matter how he Turns the Page, Tony Khan just isn't good at his job.

He is just running Against the Wind when it comes to the idea of good booking.

That's why his ratings are falling Like a Rock.

For the record, I did the "Shamblin' Gamblin' Man" bit as a reference to the whole Shamble's meme. When I typed in "Turn the Page," I realized serendipity. So, I just went with the whole Bob Seger run.

He should've never gotten the book. He wouldve been a fine money mark

Imagine having JR, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, William Regal, etc. And thinking "Nah, I got this!"

The Khans are an amazing financial resource. If only it was limited to that.

SD - 2.38 million

Rampage - 287k

287k is a fucking disaster.

Who gives a shit? The Australian ratings are what really matter. AEW has a TV deal in Australia therefore will have ratings in the country.

Let me guess, low AEW Ratings = Fan is getting mad again
SHOCKING! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

When the stress of constantly being outed as a retarded person finally causes your heart to pop, Noid’s gonna commit the ultimate act of betrayal and have his half of the gravestone removed.

Is he still trying to sugar-coat this shit? Wow.

287k for Rampage is objectively bad. It’s down 39.1% in viewership yoy (does that still matter to the apologists?) and 65% in the alleged key demo (let’s really hope it doesn’t).

That’s brutal. There’s no way around it.

I wonder how wise it was for Tony Khan to go looking for a ROH deal and coming up short as he heads into negotiations for Dynamite (which I believe currently has Rampage linked in the deal). He’s tipped his hand to show that no one is really interested in more Tony Khan wrestling. Why would WBD offer him a significant increase when they’re one of the few bidding for wrestling?

Yeah, cable is dying and the network’s prerogative could be to drive viewers to streaming and use wrestling to create a false gauge for the overall network popularity to sell whatever ads they can. But they can get all that from Dynamite without breaking bank.

watching two people who have fan on ignore discuss what fan posted about is peak wrestling forum

80% of wrestling discussion is speculation. It’s fun to speculate what insane directions he’d be going in.

Got anything to say about AEW’s declining ratings or is that not “peak wrestling forum” enough for you?

i don't give a fuck about ratings and never have for any company so...

ron clearly in denial/shambles.....

ron denial

Wasn’t last week’s show on 3 hours prior to its usual time slot?

(I know that ruins the narrative, sorry).

Nice that you’ve come into a ratings thread then.

Yeah, in an arguably better time slot. Just like it was last year, when it did 39% better (65% better with 18-49).

Favoring the scuttlebutt that fits in with his fantasy world is how Noid prefers his good faith conversations.

It’s only gonna get worse now that he won’t be able to step outside and play with his boomerang without EVERYONE discussing AEW (AEW has a TV deal in Australia, if you didn’t know.)

There’s no didgeridoo loud enough to drown out the talk of what Tony’s big surprise is gonna be happening everywhere he goes now!

gotta make sure i don't miss any scuttlebutt!

So got any thoughts on the decline of AEW?

it's unfortunate for me as a fan? i'm not gonna give you three paragraphs of bullsht if that's what you're looking for.

I’m just looking for you to participate in a wrestling discussion as opposed to trying to stir the pot while acting like you’re above it.

i'm above it? you're the one who never shuts the fuck up and doesn't even watch wrestling. which one of us is acting above it?

i do my wrestling discussion in the show threads. if you're looking for what i have to say, go to those.

having noid on ignore is great because I don't even have to read his dumbass posts to know ron is owning him rn

this is also why i don't have much to say outside of a live show thread. i don't spend chunks of my waking time or dreams speculating/thinking about pro wrestling. it's fine for others to do, but i find it a waste of time. what will be will be and no amount of words i spew out here matter. i know you've gone a different route on this, but no thank you.

although my good friend screech has pointed out that i'm also wasting my time here so what do i know? just a dumbass like the rest of us.

It’s really only wasting time if your goal is to get them to understand and acknowledge that they are just the worst.

If you just wanna shame people for saying stupid things in an arrogant manner in a public forum, I say you’re fighting a noble fight.

2.00 million for RAW

It is not like guessing what he said is a tough code to crack, dude is perpetually Smoldering. :rofl:

Ooof, maybe when Jericho said they would be beating Raw in the ratings in a few months, he meant doing 40% of their ratings lol

Do you think every forum has a “Time of the Month” like we seem to here?

Probably not the smart people forum. Nothing but speculation and scuttlebutt that fits the shared narrative. Pure bliss.

oh wait that didn't answer the question yes i do think that the internet as a whole is constantly on the rag

I hear if you rofl enough, you don’t even need a tampon. The constant rofling cancels out the effects of gravity and you can just pretend everything is fine. 3 rofls seems to do the trick but often times more is needed.

is that peter avalon's first dynamite in like 2 years

wrong thread, my bad

I agree that no amount of words you spew out are going to matter. I don’t give a shit about what you think, but when you try to start a dogpile I’m going to call you out for having no content. But hey, I guess that’s peak wrestling forum.

XL at least tried to make a point. It objectively doesn’t hold up, but it’s there.

Friendly fire.

See y’all for the Dynamite rating tomorrow.

“Start a dogpile”. lol

He was directly responding to the content of your post. What you really mean to say is “Please allow my BFF and I to do and say stupid shit without calling it out.”

"I don't care what you think but I'm going to call you out after I read all of your posts and discover <s>you have no content</s> you're calling me on my bullshit"

what a fucking baby lol

if the rating goes up, pretty pete gets a push!

Right, why is #1MoltenFan like that anyways :eek:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

What bullshit did he call out? And since we’re calling out bullshit, so much for having me on ignore.

#1-xrod-stalker. That dork wants your cum bad.

Lol You can tell the dipshit duo is at peak embarrassment when they lean hard on the trolling defense mechanism.

Fan replies incessantly to anything I post as a way to save face in front of the people that haven't blocked him yet :rofl:

As King of The Smart People Forum it pleases me to hear such high praise of my Kingdom.

Seph being the inventor of the “Revert to trolling after you catch shit for being stupid in order to try to shame people into not replying” tactic and passing it onto his minions would be some “Vince is the higher power” shit.

So easy to see coming that it swings back around to unpredictable.

Its odd to see Fan being the one trolled. What happened?

It's called long term storytelling and I'm putting on a clinic.

Fan staying mad, who could have predicted that :mad:

Lol I still love you, Ruien.

1.028 for Dynamite! Watch out, WWE.

He says he still loves me too Ruien.

Then he hits me :'(

That's like a 15% bump. Peter Avalon is a draw confirmed.

It’s probably more to do with there being no NBA and Tony Khan’s false big announcement. But pushing Peter Avalon is probably going to be as effective as anything.

SHERMBERLERS!!!!!

ABUSE SHERMBERLERBERS!!!

Let's gooooo

1.03 million for Dynamite

Well, well, well. The truth comes out! Thank you slik.

Cracked a million. Did punk come back?

Jokes aside a few thoughts here

1) i hope kahn doesnt start thinking he's a draw

2) this kind of marketing is bad. You tune in for an announcement only to get burnt. This will lead to massively dimished returns later

3) i hope the talk show takes off. Getting guys over as people and characters is a good path to getting guys TRULY over. That said im skeptical that in practice this format can work with their talent

High fiving in the rep sheets. (Cool kids only)

:lol:

https://youtu.be/SSCzDykng4g

:shifty:

Kind of feels like a hiding to nothing the new show. I cant think of a time when a wrestling talk show, recap show etc has done well. It appears to show faith in AEW from the network which is good but feels like not a lot of chance it pays off well for them which is a shame.

I'm a little intrigued by the rating, it wasnt exactly a hot card, everyone always whinges about TKs announcements so who was tuning in for it to drive that number. Was it the hardcore nerds, casuals?

I hope the All Access show leads to more people being able to showcase themselves, and then parlaying that into a decent angle on TV.

I just have zero interest in watching it.

I thought it was a “reality” show rather than a talk show. Kinda like Total Divas or Miz & Mrs, or Rhodes To The Top.

If they go full “Tuesday Night Titans” with it, I’m for it.

Could also be the perfect way to use Danhausen.

From what I have seen (press release), it is featuring the Young Bucks, Eddie Kingston, Tay Melo, Sammy Guevara, Tony Khan, Saraya, Adam Cole, Britt Baker, and Wardlow.