A lot of people are making a big deal with it, but it was a Cage Match that promised to have some sort of development and still got under 1 million. It might do better than the usual crap, but it’s still crap that keeps them from growing.

Hypothetically, if I lease a brand new car for $20,000, then I drive it for 4 years, put tons of miles on it, get into a few crashes, then when my lease is up, I can buy the car that has depreciated in value. Now imagine that I would offer to buy that car for $100,000.

That is what Warner Bros Discovery giving AEW a billion dollars would be like.

$200 million a year might cover half the roster’s contracts.

raw 1.71

vanderpump rules - 1.89 million

dynamite - 814k

Man, Vanderpump Rules must have had an EXTRA GIANT EARTH CHANGING ANNOUCEMENT to beat Tiny's announcement by THAT much.

Tony has more money than the Vanderpumps, and he is not going to take this fucking shit anymore!!!

@xrod, I would probably bet money on Lisa Vanderpump to win that fight tbh

TV ratings don't matter anymore, it is all about the 100 or so people who vote on cagematch now :rofl::rofl::rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you all who watched <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> last night!<br><br>I thought it was a great show + it's been amazing to see such positive feedback from fans 2 weeks in a row!<br><br>After 189 shows, #188 &amp; #189 are the highest rated shows back-to-back by fans voting on cagematch in Dynamite history!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1659286014085459974?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I mean, what the fuck?!?!?

Hey, many businesses have different indicators of success.

But everyone is missing an audience, right?

Fucking lol.

raw - 1.64 million

846k for Dynamite. Killing it, fellas.

Wonder if Tiny misses him yet...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The American Nightmare has arrived!<br><br>The fans in Jeddah love them some <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CodyRhodes</a> ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWENOC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWENOC</a> <a href="https://t.co/HQzEcHMQJk">pic.twitter.com/HQzEcHMQJk</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1662130768510951425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cody’s hurt, Punk’s hurt, Regal’s hurt, the booking’s hurt. AEW sucks.

raw 1.61 million

923k for Dynamite. And that’s with an added PPV bump because of lack of interest in Double or Nothing.

Down 9.4% in the Demos from last week, even with the increase in viewers...

Suddenly they’re not crowing about them.

They were curious about CM Punk showing up.

That seems to be the consensus.

And they got a very awkwardly delivered promo from TK himself.

Who promised he would not be an on-air character.

Well he’s go the no character part down.

I’d say he’s got no on-air personality and no off-air character.

He is a cokeheaded money mark, and will never be anything else.

He might be committed at some point.

As awkward as his pre taped announcements are, they are MILES better than when he has a live mic.

raw - 1.83 millions fans tuned in to find out the latest on Cody Rhodes

That’s a bit of a jump. AEW has a chance this week.

Yep, 903k for Dynamite. That has to be considered a “high” number for them now. Punk’s returning buzz, Cody Rhodes bumping Raw and there being NBA traffic probably helped them too.

1.6 million for RAW

291k for Rampage

Damn!!! Hidden Treasures got more viewers than Rampage :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Numbers are only going to get worse for them too.

832k for Dynamite

Whoops!

And no NBA or NHL competition

Google translate: Oof!

LolAEW

Did the Collison ratings come out?

Yes, it just says "Oof."

Collision - 816k

That good, bad or oof for a Saturday

that seems pretty good for the timeslot. Won't be sustainable though.

It would have easily been 1.3 million if they would have signed Ryback and let him come out and shoot on Phil.

I don’t think that can be considered a disappointing number. It’ll probably go down, but by how much could tell a story.

Damn. I figured the 600k range would have been a good, realistic number.

That goes without saying. "THE BIG GUY" THE RYBACK = big ratings.

902,000 for Dynamite

Dynamite kicking Collision's ass! Collision bros in the mud!

816k on Sat > 902k on Wed.

Quarters going around saying Rollins vs Bron on NXT hit 950,000.

That's all Rollins

I agree but I also don't think the 800k area range is where this show stays. A lot of those viewers were there because it was a new show. Remember Dynamite going over 1.6 million when it was new. Obviously not an exact comparison because Dynamite was the launch of the whole brand and this is just an expansion, but the main point is that the audience has dropped almost 50% from then. I don't think Collision drops off quite that much, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were down in the area of 600k a month from now, possibly a touch lower.

Also I feel like if people are just going to constantly float between both shows it's going to hurt Collisions draw. Why waste your Saturday night watching people you can see on Wednesday too? Feels like they had Punk cross over way too soon especially. He's supposed to be the big draw on Saturday, but if he's gonna be on all the shows then Saturday becomes less important. Think they really blew their load wayyyyy too fast on having him pop up over there this soon. They should have held that back for quite a while and had it be more special.

Well yeah lol

I agree.

Hmm, I think it was good promotion for Collision. They were in Chicago, so it makes sense to dangle Punk out there, get a giant pop, talk the show up.

595k for episode 2, that's what happens when you don't let Miro wrestle!

In other news...

Tiny Khan just spent $55 million of his daddy's money to buy Showbuzz Daily to shut it down and hide Collision's ratings downfall going forward. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof l::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

damn @ showbuzzdaily going under, they were a really interesting site, always had lots of data and it was where I first saw (for example) just how insanely high the 60+ viewership is for FOX NEWS

Only took a week. Damn.

Holy shit, I thought you were joking, xrod. They actually are folding and even made a comment about wrestling trolls on the way out. If it were about bots, could totally have been planted by Tony Khan.

Not a great number for Collision. A drop-off was expected. Often pilots will lose something like 30%. 26% or whatever isn’t horrific. Looks more jarring when you’re talking about an audience of a couple of hundred thousand in the first place. It’s a shame, because Collision has far and away been the better show. It was half-way making AEW interesting and providing hope. Maybe it’s a a bit early to call it, but it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be inspiring any change anytime soon.

It’s all just a bit too much, surely?

2 hours Wednesday, an hour Friday, 2 on Saturday and then Forbidden Door on Sunday? And that’s just if you’re an AEW diehard.

raw - 1.97 million

lol WWEs B show gets 333% more viewers than AEWs B-show heading into a yuge international PPV.

Oo-oo-oo-oooooooooof

Oh yeah. Dynamite will likely be effected too.

There's way too much wrestling in general and jts bad for everyone. Its bad for the workers health obviously. Its bad for getting guys over (overexposure.) Its bad for creating angles short and long term (only so many fresh matches that can exist, and this is a big one because once youve ran out of match ups creative has nothing for you so this ultimately shortens careers faster than the injuries.) And its bad for the audience for all those reasons above but it also exhausts them and burns them out. The only people who win are the networks who get to sell more ad spots but in truth a hotter product would have more eyeballs so do they even win?

There's way too much wrestling.

#ShutItDown

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ca" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a>    - 381,000<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a>    - 595,000<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a>    - 900,000<br> <br> Total: 1,876,000<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> - 1,973,000 <a href="https://t.co/TF7juSdCMg">pic.twitter.com/TF7juSdCMg</a></p>&mdash; EliteRockers© (@EliteClubSOB) <a href="https://twitter.com/EliteClubSOB/status/1673791808269340672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It’s hard to feel sorry for them when they were so smug.

Not sure that’s smug. That’s delusional.

Yeah, people who say unbelievably dumb things in a smug manner are just the worst, huh?

I had no clue NXT was getting so close to even Dynamite. I know they’ve been pumping their shows up lately, but it actually seems to be working.

Man imagine if the overexposure that another show brings is what causes the audience to dwindle enough that NXT starts winning. Thatd be a hell of a turn.

Some dorks are trying to spin the Collision ratings into a Dynamite vs Collision argument. It’s a Saturday night time slot. Of course the numbers will be worse. Wait until how much it “plummets” during college football season.

Outdated Nielsen ratings metrics don't tell you the whole story. I don't need to see ratings numbers to tell you the true number of unreported viewers (watching on DVR even if days later etc) will be similar for both shows. There’s little evidence AEW have grown beyond their very dedicated group of core viewers, and that’s still good enough in the networks’ eyes to get a billion dollar deal and a new show.

Triple A should make a ticker for the forums that has the ratings scrolling across the top.

That is where I disagree Vito.

It is AEW that made ratings such an important thing. It is why they crowed about good demos until those went down, then they didnt matter. It is why Tiny Khan posted celebration thank you tweets every time they got over a million viewers, then that went down. He isn't posting thank you for 850,000. Then it wasn't the total viewers anymore, but what place they finished for the night. Then when they fell down that list, suddenly Tiny was posting about how great their vagematch ratings were, until those started going down. Then it was that upfronts renewal news.and Billion dollar deal, which didn't happen. Then it was they got this new show because WBD loves AEW, except they still did not get any type of extension on the length of their TV show.

This is not the byproduct of dorky fans, dorky fans talk about it because AEW has tried to spin everything since day 1. AEW and their roster have constantly changed their own stance on what actually matters based on whatever can allow them to continue the delusion that they are WAY more successful than they actually are.

Jericho is the one who boldly claimed AEW would be beating Raw soon, not some random fan. If they themselves never introduced this shit into the world, then there would be no reason to point it out. But they did, instead of taking criticism and trying to improve, they dig in. So yes, it is fun watching them contradict themselves and what is considered successful depending on the day.

BREAKING!
 

Rasslers boast about being the best, ever. Always.






MORE AT 11!

They did invite the rods for their backs. You could easily talk about how you want to grow, how there is always more work to do. Or just not draw attention to superficial business metrics at all. WWE are public and get away with that.

The idea that promoters have to go out there and misrepresent themselves to the point it’s detrimental is just not true.

There is a BIG difference between self promotion and constantly putting your foot in your mouth. Maybe just don't bring up WWE, and then people wouldn't have those comments to laugh at.

Bingo.

AEW wasn't the first, won't be the last


¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Keep up that good fight.

809,000 for Dynamite

Yikes

And they won’t be the last to be bitten by it.

809k? I was kind of joking about NXT catching up to them, but yikes.

Forbidden Door...more like Forbidden Momentum :rofl:

452k for Collision.

Man... Phil is gonna be angry :rofl:

Give me an O!
Give me another O!
Give me an F!

What does that spell?

CM Phil.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Seriously though....damn. Collision dropping off way harder than I thought it would.

lol Rampage pulled 450k. Only 2k shy of outdrawing Collision. Damn.

Time to pack in the new deal, boys. AEW is done.

I'm curious how bad this is gonna get when college football starts.

It's almost like Punk isn't a draw because his last in-ring stuff was fucking terrible. Couple that with him being a pious b hole and yeah

He can get car wreck attention but once people realize there's no gore they turn their eyes back to the road

Exactly. And I say that as a former "fan" of his. I had the 25/8/366 knees 2 faces shirt. It was a great shirt tbh.... but yeah.


I used to enjoy his work, regardless of what company he was in, but sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, his AEW run was and is awful.