Kanes dominance is to show what he'll do to crime in your city should you elect him mayor

Kurt knows how to break a table.

Bravo
Romeo
Alpha
Uniform
November

Kurt Angle for champ.

I don't give a shit. Kurt vs Brock at Mania since Roman has AIDS.

Kurta gonna beat Miz lol

So the story of Miz team is that they are highly unstable

LOL Miz peeking over the edge of the ring

Only if Brock does a Shooting Star Press that ACTUALLY CONNECTS

Kurt STILL the master of the 2.999999 kickout.

Or in this case, your county. (Knox Co., TN)

Ouch, bad way to exit the ring, Angle.

This might be the best clusterfuck of a match I've ever seen in the WWE.

Wow Angle got super lucky with that tumble to the outside.

KURT! GET THE TABLES!!!

Well that was fun.

stream doesn't screw up all night until right now >_<

I stand corrected

In retrospect that was stupid

Kurt Angle is a national treasure.

God bless meningitis.

Ur stupid.

Not trying to be a know it all...just pointing it out because I'm a nerd like that. :p

Time for a celebration

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lol Angle just wrecking the Bar

no its cool

extremely bizarre but very entertaining match

The main event was fun.

I think that was the best clusterfuck I've ever seen.

WWE accidentally totes redeemed themselves for now with this PPV. WOW.

Weirdest main event I've ever seen. I liked it.

That match was a trainwreck -- but -- I never looked away from it

Only stupid thing was not doing the triple powerbomb to Miz through the announce table in reference to them doing that to Punk. Still a 10/5 main event though.

That Main Event was pretty awesome.

TY for that clarification DAMN man!

god that was fun

Yeah total trainwreck but it was really cool, fun so yeah, good show with two really good matches.

The best part of the show was the lack of Roman Reigns.

Bray should infect the roster more often!

Tomorrow night BRUAN is gonna come out hauling the garbage truck on his back

completely destroyed of course

I didn't think there were any bad matches.

AJ Styles is WWE's MVP. Listening to him on Talking Smack is so enjoyable, he's the man.

I dunno. Don't want him getting sick in Sister Abigail mode and giving all the women HPV.

I wonder how much of the match booking they changed in the past two days. The crowd would've taken a heaping dump on Roman getting to be the hero after being walked out by trainers.

RAW hasn't had a bad brand-only ppv in 2017

AJ Styles talking about how he has barely slept because of all the last minute travel... pretty impressive... he looks like he is dying though... eyes all bloodshot

Bray is actually the horseman of Plague all his bullshit was true he took out the roster and forced RAW to put on a really fun show

That's the scene I was channeling. Good catch.

AJ gonna collapse into bed he looks like he really needs 8hrs

Not sure how long Styles will stay in WWE but so far the guy's been incredible since he joined. At this rate he'll be a HOF'r based on his WWE work alone if he keeps it up.

Aj I like you don't get on your Jesus roll and go to bed

WTF...RAW TALK just cut off on me and its showing the Kickoff graphic...anyone else?

OK, we're back.

agree. don't channel the heel jesus, aj.

That was a really good PPV overall. Kudos talent and writers.

I thought I was ready for Asuka, but my short-term memory is not, at least not yet. I keep picturing her match in my mind's eye with Nelly ft. Tim McGraw's "Over and Over Again" playing over it...she could go S long way in REALLY elevating the RAW Women's Division...just hope she doesn't end up misused or lost in the shuffle.

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Confirmed: Drebin is Porkchop Jones.

Bad writing, that's how.

Intolerance is a cancer

What in the fuck are you talking about...

To be fair, I don't think that would've happened to risk the negative response of him being CHEERED while carted off and BOOED at the return. There likely would have been more to that Braun "face turn", though to take those two out of the equation for a proper 3 on 3.

I was under the impression that Kane attacked Braun, thus turning KANE face.

Is Braun the one who turned? If so, probably for the best. WWE has rushed through Braun's story pretty quickly to the point where if they keep him heel then come WrestleMania season he'd just be used to build up the "main match" guys.

Might as well get some mileage out of him as a true face.

Didn't watch the whole thing, but one of the announcers made mention of Braun may/may not have attacked Kane by accident. So then, Kane kinda gave Braun a big "fuck you" with the chokeslam and chair burial.

What prevented this from being a Kane turn either way was the fact that Kane went right back to helping Miz and The Bar before Braun came back for more, tossing his teammates aside and going straight for Kane... which led to all four heels attacking Braun and stuffing him into the veichle d'jour (ambulances and firetrucks and paddy waggons have all been uses, so hey, why not a garbage truck). Kane is still supposed to be heel, here.

My guess is that Kane's return was supposed to be a setup for a believable Braun face turn (to finally roll along with the pops he's been getting in spite of clearly being booked as a heel). Don't know where they go after a Kane feud, but hopefully they don't try to sugarcoat Braun and just let him do his thing and remain over. I would have also guessed that would have been a much slower transition, as all the focus here would originally have been to get people to accept Roman more, but in lieu of his absence, I guess they might have pulled that trigger sooner than later.

Shame Sandows gone. Coulda done team Brains and Braun..

Okay, this bothers me: Kurt Angle has not "been out of the ring for 11 years". Just because you don't want to acknowledge their time elsewhere doesn't mean they fell off the fucking planet.

And he did stuff outside of TNA, so they can just use the generic "all over the world" shit they use for folks like AJ and Nakamura. But pretending Kurt Angle stopped existing after 2006 is less believable than Porkchop Jones being his seed.

Braun didn't attack Kane by accident. Kane attacked Braun earlier in the match "by accident" with a chair when either Rollins or Ambrose ducked out of the way. Braun pushed him after that, then Miz calmed them both down. Later on, Kane was getting handled by Rollins and Ambrose on the stage and Braun basically saved Kanes ass then Kane attacked him out of nowhere, hit the chokeslam, then the chair burial. Braun then got up and Miz tried to stop him, so he attack Miz, then he attacked Sheamus, Cesaro and Kane. All 4 then ganged up on him and threw him in the trash truck.

If its a turn, it's clearly a Braun face turn. They should have had him been the one to triple powerbomb Miz at the end with Shield/Angles help, and then let Angle get the pin as Strowman marches to the back.

Shitty card definetely. Really, Eno Amore again? Gah. Also, who the fuck is Jason Alexander? Or Rich Swann? Jesus.

Jason Alexander gonna be main eventing WrestleMania against Roman Reigns in a couple years and you're gonna be like "ROCK WHO?"

Oh. Jobbing to Roman Reigns. Fantastic. I still no idea who that is but I'ma google.

Ah, ok. A ginger. Pass.

I actually wasn't sure if you were referring to Cedric Alexander or Jason Jordan but either one worked for my reference about WWE not being able to make new stars and how either one could easily be main eventing WrestleMania soon.

Now that you said "A ginger" though, I'm really curious about who you were talking about and what you Googled.

I was thinking of the actor who played George in Seinfeld, but he's not ginger...

I was genuinely interested to check out this show, but thought I would check out reviews first. Glad I did before I spent the investment. Nice try, WWE. You almost got me.

Doesn't seem like a "real return" for Angle yet. He will be back and do other things, but they've saved the pomp and circumstance for when it might matter. This kind of reminds me of HBK wrestling in jeans at SummerSlam 2002, or the brown hair and bob at Survivor Series that same year.

If it seemed anything like HBK at SummerSlam 2002, I'd be jumping on watching this match in an instant.

Here is my review

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Not it terms of quality. Just in terms of a guy showing up and making you wonder just what he's going to be like, and kind of back-pocketing some of that "real return" magic.

Forgot to mention it earlier, but strange as it was, this card shakes out as a VERY strong contender for PPV of the year, and I'm absolutely 100% serious.

My grade is an A-. If they'd maybe had Kalisto and Enzo have a ladder match and/or had the CW tag be an elimination tables match, we'd be talking A to possibly even A+ territory.

Whew... For a second there I worried you might give it a "Sit, Ubu, sit. Good dog! (dog barks)"/10.

@DAMNiNATOR: How concerned are you about Asuka being misused/lost in the shuffle on the main roster?

Because the last time we discussed this you were quite judgmental about me thinking the main roster might ruin her. And now one match in, you seem to be skeptical. I'm wondering what changed.

What? Most people really enjoyed the ppv. Everyone enjoyed the main event.

I dunno wtf Noid is on about. The show was pretty damn good. Angle may have been gone for a chunk of the match, but he took bumps, he delivered his moves with excellence, and he looked pretty damn good from what we saw of him. I think him even leaving for a bit could be construed as building something with Braun, not necessarily for a feud, but for character development and future interactions between them backstage, like Braun getting what he wants from Kurt under threat of maiming.

Regardless of all that, the main event alone was worth the price of admission. I said it before and I'll say it again: That might just have been the best clusterfuck I've ever seen.

too bad bischoffs podcast went mia I want to hear his take on the garbage truck

I only watched Styles/Balor and the main event. Both were good matches and I didn't care about the rest the matches. AJ vs Finn was great but I don't think it's the best AJ/Finn match we'll see. Both have way more in their bags of tricks and I'd love to see a rematch at Wrestlemania.

Only complaint I had with the main event was when Angle returned I wish he was in his ring gear. Might not have had any ready on short notice, not sure. Him starting in Shield gear was cool but really thought he'd return in full USA attire.

That would have been sooooooo dumb lol

Why? I thought it was a given once he left. (they've really over used that concept recently) Thought they'd take the tactical gear off to examine him and he'd return true Kurt Angle.

Kurt should have come back naked

I think you guys are overthinking the Kane/Braun thing. Seemed to me like Kane came back to take out Roman Reigns and avenge his fallen brother (which Roman brags about all the time). As far as what happened in the actual match, Kane and Braun have both always been presented as unstable, so they can attack anyone at any time and it won't really indicate an alignment change. Since Roman couldn't make the match, they shoehorned in Angle, who they probably didn't want going TOO hard...so they take him out of the match completely for ten to fifteen minutes, and they needed a way to not make it a 2 on 5 stomping. Play to the mosters' insecurities until you're ready for Angle to come back, and there you go.

"Im so hurt I dont think I cant continue"


"Lemme change my clothes real fast tho"

Also, they were approaching the time limit. Had to be quick about it. :shifty:

Just watching some of the event now. I wonder if Swann and Cedric were given more of a clearance to fly because they were certainly more flippy than they have been since 205 Live was a thing.

Whenever i get powerslammed thru a table i throw on a singlet and i feel 100 per cent better. It holds you in place after the bodily trauma has been sustained.

I also feel like I should reiterate that I really enjoyed TLC. There were literally ZERO bad matches, and it was a lot of fun. :y:

Feel like you have a huge personal investment in liking wwe

I really don't. I do really enjoy it a lot, though. Is that gonna be OK?

I'm liking the buzz around the crowd for TLC too. There's been loud crowds, but with all the last minute changes, the crowd just has a different energy about them.

Nope. We are mortal enemas now.

The tag match was the best cruiser match they've had in a while. I have to give props to Jack Gallagher. Wrestling in a suit has gotta suck ass.

Story of my life.

Word. Those shoes have got to be torture. Hopefully they're at least slip resistant.