Here's hoping Shane plants the seeds to oust vince and put him in a nursing home only for vince's real song, huh, to save him.

Shane vs hhh

Nick Khan is Vince's favorite child now

The story makes a little more sense when you imagine Shane, not having any sort of official role in the company, actively going and changing a bunch of things like he has any sort of official authority to do so. It would be different if he were assigned the match. Then Bad Bunny gets jerked around and Vince kinda goes “You either work here or you don’t.”

Like, putting yourself in Jamie Noble’s shoes: How do you tell Shane McMahon no, while at the same time he’s technically an outside talent coming in.

If Shane were actually there, I doubt this would have been a firing. But since he’s not, it’s just not an advantageous relationship to either party at the moment.

He doesn't nearly have the aptitude for the business that Steph has

You say that but you don't really mean that.

But can Steph do the shuffle?

I'm assuming this means another round of roster releases is incoming


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Possibly. Being profitable doesn’t mean you don’t have a budget.

Steph has single handedly changed the perception of the company.

Shane just comes up with stupid ideas in creative.

hey man he falls from high places too!

For argument’s sake, I will suggest that this is a little reductive. Vince and lots of executives have also been behind the WWE’s corporate change. Although, I will say that this change has probably been their smartest decision ever, and easily the best one they’ve made in the 21st century.

And with Shane I’m not sure it’s aptitude or ability so much as…Steph really, really wants it and he doesn’t care so much. Lots of people will say that he’s jealous or has tried and all that, but he did walk for a number of years to do his own thing. Regardless of how successful that was or wasn’t (and who knows how well Steph would do outside WWE either?), he still left that nest.

Steph has always been the better fit for the company, and the company has suited her. But for a while she was the sibling coming up with stupid ideas in creative too.

It's why she was on the nominees for the Wrestling Observer Awards. She's won so many awards since she became Chief Brand Officer. Like the Eisenhower Fellow thing she was part of. the International Sports Hall of Fame. Something with the March of Dimes recently. SOOOOO important in terms of rehabbing the image of the company with sponsors and in the business world.

I believe it was Alex Greenfield who comments that Shane would pop in with these off the wall ideas in creative that nobody listened to because they were so "out there"

the ammount of people who don't understand econ is tragic when inflation rises increased "profits" dont mean more money.

Stephanie is a great businesswoman
She really doesn't get credit for that

She might be an annoying onscreen character but irl she is rather outstanding at behind the scenes stuff

Nia has given her opinion on shane, everyone can finally relax who was waiting for it


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big match mox opening the show

oh wrong thread lol

i wish there was much an uproar about Steph putting herself over. But lol Shane is such a dinkus

They have come to realize that all the cuts has not hurt them from a financial standpoint. They are not a non-profit, there is no reason to employ 300 people if 100 people provide the same results. It is absolutely shitty, but but businesswise it is the right move. I would argue their only mistake was Bray Wyatt, as he was moving a lot of merch. He is probably the only cut that did not make financial sense.

The product quality has certainly suffered, but as long as they are being paid as content creators, they only need to do just enough, and they do still put out some great content mixed in with mostly time killing nonsense.

Yeah, that’s true. Point well made.

One of the stories going around is that, because of how involvement Shane had in restructuring the Rumble, they changed Bad Bunny's entrance number multiple times.

That meant that, presumably, they were changing who he was scheduled to be in the ring with and exactly what he'd be able to do. This is frustrating for a wrestler, but downright unsafe when you're dealing with a non-wrestler that needs prep time and to be carried through their part in the match.

On top of that, there seems to be a feeling that it made WWE look unprofessional in the eyes of a major outside star and his people.

Bad Bunny looked better than Shane, hands down. Fuck a number.

Bad Bunny could legit be a rassler if he wanted.

Shane fucking sucks. Not sure why anyone would be excited to see him "wrestle".

Only appeal he's ever had was his willingness to jump off high places. Which is very unlikely to ever happen again given his age. Dude was gassed just walking to the ring. Think if he had done his signature shuffle he would have had a stroke right there.

Shane after 2000 is completely unwatchable

in what way is that shitty? if an employee isnt producing enough value to jusitfy their wages why is it shitty to let them go?

Furthermore it doesnt even look like thats whats happening. as you said Wyatt was generating revenue and they still let him go so this notion is shaky from the start.

the reality is spendable operating budgets are getting tighter. the currency has a lower purchasing power (both goods and services cost more to obtain, logistics take a larger percentage of availble operating expenses [and with a touring troupe this hits you from three or four different angles since you have factors like fuel and labor and the like all hitting you directly AND indirectly] etc) and doubly these issues effect your employees as well so you already know wages are going to have to go up when contracts get renegotiated since the employees spendable income has also been impacted. so they have the future increased payroll expense to plan for as well which of course further decreases your spendable operating budget.

then theres the unknown value of R&D of potential new market possibilities that is a completely invisible budgetary value that large companies are always experimenting with one thing or another that in most cases come up as pure loss. the wwe could be looking market potential in a promising avenue that at the present is pure cost that we dont see in slightest. things like video games, the network app, the film studio and developmental territories all started in this phase and at any given time they could have something brewering thats taxing their operating budgets.

tl;dr at a time when the currency is worth less and operating expenses are ballooning to hear people gloat about company X's profits just shows how little they understand about money (let alone business) on a truly fundamental level. $1 dollar today is not $1 tomorrow. they have the economic grasp of a toddler.

I'd let Bad Bunny shit in my mouth for 10 minutes of sex with The Bunny.

I didn't watch the Rumble. i was going to, but then realized Sunday morning that it already aired lol.

But when i read the results and saw Shane McMahon was the 2nd to last person eliminated, I just shook my head and was glad i didn't watch it. That right there is WWE in a nutshell. A 52 year old guy who hasn't been relevant in forever booking himself in a primary spot in the 2nd biggest PPV of the year. Like how does that even happen? What a mess

Nah bruh the street fights with Vince at Mania and with Angle at King of the Ring in 2001 were fantastic

Then he started getting on my nerves during the invasion and I think I was out by the time Kane shocked his testicles

That's right! I couldn't remember if Angle was 2000 or 2001.

shane is unquestionably the single greatest part time worker the business has ever seen...to be as good as he is... working as much as he has...well its all moot. its nepotism and self aggrandizing and we all know it. he didnt earn anything.

and thats why the sight of him in these positions is so sour. it speaks against the notion hard work will allow you to make something of yourself because he's absorbing spots of guys working hard year round. its why everyone hated jeff jarrett so much back in the day in early TNA. his work was perfectly fine. to the level of his position even. but when he has the pen it insults us on a human level. shane is that x10.

Is he though? He doesn't really have wrestling matches. He has garbage stunt shows. Anyone can guided through that kind of performance. He's had one actual wrestling match that I can remember. Yes it was good, but it was against AJ Styles, a guy who could probably carry wcw Powerplant wrestlers to a good match.

if not him then who

I guess that would depend on who you classify as part time.

If rousey counts I would absolutely put her above Shane. Rough around the edges yes, but far FAR better than she has any right to be given her experience, and her work looks far better due to the physicality she applies it with.

maybe in time id give you that. shes only got a year under her. but she could pass him for sure

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She's times better than him, save jumping off some high up place or getting thrown through the glass by Angle.


Those are the only things I think of when I hear "Shane" (well, maybe The Walking Dead too). There was a time where the stuff he did would be classified as "backyard crap".

she's very difficult for me to watch. shes dangerous and if she wasnt so over her natural instincts wpuld not play well. she basically makes the wrong call everytime but she has so much real world credibility that she gets over depsite these giant eye sore matches. shes "pretty bad" fundamentally but i def think she could get really good in time.

She looks better "in the ring" than Shane. Period.

i have to look away when she works. its so green it hurts my eyes

Yeah again, I think it also depends on what you'd define as a "worker".

When I hear the word, I can't really disconnect it from working an actual wrestling match, and not just someone who works for a wrestling promotion and performs in some capacity.

I think the more accurate description for me, would be that Shane is the greatest part time attraction in wrestling history. Because that's all he really is.

It's just that when you hear guys described as great workers, their ability to almost kill themselves in ridiculous stunts never enters the conversation.

Wonder who Destor would rather watch: Ronda Rousey or Chuck Taylor?

I mean you actually wrestled and were trained, so it likely stands out a lot more to you. To someone like me it's noticeable but not enough that its deal breaking. And again while it's rough and possibly dangerous it also looks real. Which is s breath of fresh air in wwe's women's division where 90% of the action looks as fake as a plea from a Nigerian prince.

yeah i dont mean workrate at all. i see the disconnect. worker to me is a person who works marks. work: to elicite reaction.

i think she's a great act that just needs time. her credibility is sorely needed.

Shane is getting a rough rep as a worker in here. There have been full-time guys that can not be pulled through what he has. It’s getting tarred with the same brush as death match wrestling, but it really isn’t the same thing. And I think people should go back and watch his earlier work. He drew people into his work. His match against Test is still thought of fondly.

They’re not clinical masterpieces, but to say anyone could do them is a bit much. I saw someone say AJ Styles could drag a good match out of a WCW PowerPlant rookie. Well, there’s him and Omos. And I’m going to catch flack for saying this, but I’ve always thought that the Styles/Owens chemistry was flat too.

Shane’s work does require skill. He was a pretty great character at one point in time. People have sincerely loved/hated him. He got people to care about Steve Blackman at one point.

AJW spoiled the shit out of me.

No one's saying he wasnt a great entertainer. Just that a 50 something businessman should probably just go home and be a family man instead of entering a royal rumble.

let alone hogging the last eliminated spot which is inexcusable

yeah this. Shane hasn't really bothered me until the Rumble. He's been in a lot of the "filler spots" on cards and I don't mind that. Miz, Owens, Styles...I was cool with all that. It made sense. But the way he booked himself in the Rumble was just ridiculous. He should of just came in early or midway did a spot with some other midcarder (I've heard the Theory rumors) he was going to have a singles with and be done. Not be in the final 3 just because he wanted it that way lol

BTW, X-pac/Shane Wrestlemania 15 was my fav match of his. Great storyline heading into that one

excellent match

Yeah X-Pac/Shane was dope

X-Pac was so fucking good, still not sure why they felt the need to add him to the nWo for the HOF to make him a "two time inductee" when he was more than deserving to be inducted on his own

Loved the Shane WM15 match for what it was. Of course when you have Rock v Austin as the main event, even though it wasn't their best match, everything is going to get overshadowed.

I couldn’t remember who posted what I was responding to, but it turns out they were both yours, lol.

That assessment is just a bit much. You’re entitled to not like the guy, but I think he is obviously a bit better than that. Maybe you’re just being colorful to register a point?

X-Factor Hall of Fame nod 2022

10 year old me: wooooooo Chyna helped Triple H beat Kane! DX is back to full strength!

10 year old me an hour later: WTF Triple H and Chyna just turned on X-Pac :(

:lol: sounds awful

Remember when Hunter had reservations about Chyna going into the Hall of Fame because of her adult career?

Someone mentioned in here about Nick Kahn being Vince's son now and honestly after this whole debacle with Shane, I wouldn't mind seeing a story build where Kahn takes an on air role driving Vince more and more away from his family and trying to grasp control of WWE. That dude has heel written all over him

Ugh I had those exact feelings, was soo pumped when they cut that small promo between the 2 matches.

YES! That shit destroyed me. Completely destroyed me

chiming in a bit late but Shane vs Angle in 01 is one of my favorite matches ever. It was so good.

its among the most memorable moments in the last 20 years or so of wrestling

and ignoring the high spots the match is really good on its own merits. it gets to those high spots really organically through a well structured and well executed match

It’s even more impressive when you remember it was Angle’s 3rd match of the night and he broke his tailbone halfway through the match.

I can still hear the thud of Shane’s head and shoulders hitting the concrete when the glass didn’t break on the suplex spots.

It wasnt just because she did porn, it is because she did a porn where she had a threesome with "Vince and Steph" characters. That distinction certainly is an understandable reason to have reservations.

Every good Shane match that's been mentioned here is with guys who could carry broom sticks to good matches. Fair credit to Shane that he cooperated well enough to get those good matches, but just sayin'.

i cant remember an all time classic where a guys was carried to it

good matches sure but some of shanes best are pretty unforgettable decades later

I also remember Shane having entertaining matches with Test, Steve Blackman, Big Show, and of course Vince himself so I dunno.

Those matches were all heavily booked to make Shane look good while also getting his ass kicked. I liked that era of Shane. I do not like the current era where Shane is booked to be the equal of his competitors in both talent and conditioning. That’s ridiculous.

one thing there seems to be consensus on is the last few years have been absurd to the point of offensive

I was looking up shane matches on Cagematch.net https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=548&page=4&s=0

and remembered the awful Shane/Braun feud

Remember Shane was supposed to defeat Taker at Mania? And go toe-to-toe with Brock when he was white hot?

I think you’re trying to be reasonable, but I’ve seen AJ and Kevin Owens have worse matches against each other than they had with Shane. Shane must be better than a broomstick and some guys must be much worse.

As a chickenshit heel or a babyface that won’t die, Shane works fine. I don’t buy MMA hero Shane at all. His Hell in a Cell against Taker should have been structured a lot differently, and definitely should have been a lot shorter.

Also if I never have to see Shane throw his little combo punches that miss by three feet I’m good.

I was hoping to see X-Pac in the Rumble. Would have been a nice little call back if he’d go into it with Shane, and eliminated him.

Every great wrestler in history had the occasional bad match, or even had bad chemistry with particular workers. That doesn't diminish their broomstick carrying capability in my opinion.

I'll throw out an olive branch.

I'll concede that he was enough of a natural at the fundamentals that he was able to consistently have enjoyable matches. But unforgettable classics? That's fucking pushing it.

And regardless, he sucks now, get him off my tv.

that last point we agree

You know what's not future endeavored? Tonight's Classic Wrestling! See you all at 8:30pm!

While we’re here do you guys want to talk about Shane’s time as color guy on Sunday Night Heat

Or his commentary in the Attitude video game

They sounded remarkably similar

He was great on Sunday Night Heat. Loved Shane during that time period.

RAW Underground was all Shane.


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Honestly that style could have been cool. It's just that the workers had no idea what they were doing. It's really hard to pull off a shoot style pro wrestling match. Plenty of times in Japan it's done and been done and it's terrible. Think about when Hager faced Wardlow in that "MMA fight".

Tried to watch the Von Wagner vs. Riddick Moss one there and the 1.5 camera cuts per second thing and each camera angle being like 20 feet away made it unbearable to watch...

honestly like a 5 year old dumb kid is controlling the camera shots

the camera cuts are to hide how mickey mouse it all is. that's the problem with worked mma, youve gotta hide way too much.

Shane had an idea that I agree with, let wwe.com be less kayfabey. A few interviews with batista and booker were posted after their fight, same with Blue Meanie/JBL. Made we want to check out WWE.com

Yeah this is the culprit behind a lot of WWE's flaws. This production style is so fake. It's almost to the level of America or Britan's got Talent, the manipulative editing and camera work, so false. The thing about the classic wrestling I love is that the camera is simply "AT THE EVENT". The camera just sits there and captures this live event that would be happening the same way if there was no camera at all.

When you go to a live show today, depending on what side you side you are quickly aware that you are not being performed to. The wrestlers are performing to the hard cam, every interview, angle, anything important at all will be directed to one side of the ring. How lame is that?

AEW guys aren't under the same death notice to always hit hard cam but obviously that's how most interview segments are done, for the hard cam.
WWE's editing keeps their show unbearable, even if there great workers and there are, and good matches which there are.... the editing is so fucking bad.

Cesaro gone from WWE per Fightful and PWInsider

I love watching Cesaro work. He'll be an asset wherever he winds up.

Plot twist: His contract expired, so he does not have a 90 day waiting period.

wherever he goes i just hope i can call him Claudio Castagnoli again

the most money making man

Fucking please go to njpw

Inject Cesare vs ishii straight into my fucking veins