eh... he said HE himself brought the ship there and that would mean he crashed it. He wanted it to land on the island not sink at sea. Also Im sure he wouldnt care about the statue that much.

The biggest question that came out of last night is how does the boat destory the whole statue (inlcuding the other foot that was presumably on a base like the other foot) and what the hell happened to the rest of the pieces that were scattered on the beach.

Whether it was Jacob or MiB, there has to be more to it than the ship knocking it down, sailing a mile into the jungle, and being almost completely intact.

"The island did it."

If it wasn't explained in that episode that is the go-to explanation.

ummm the damn wave knocked down the statue

Real Locke was my favorite too, but he still has all his mannerisms and soft spoken words, so I'll take it. I can't wait for Jack and MIB to meet as well.


I meant to ask you guys earlier. So now they kind of confirmed what Jacob has been doing all along and that the island is keeping the dark side from the world. To me that kind of downplays the Dharma group and The Others of the first couple of seasons. What was the whole point of all these people? Seems like nothing compared to the bigger picture. I forget how the Dharma even got to the island.

new podcast is up...pretty good podcast. They also reveal the name of the finale.

They also address the daytime to night time storm

Please relay this info in a spoiler tag. I have time not for Pod Casts

Do not need any spoiler tags in this thread. Say what and when you like that's why I made it.

I would think there is a difference between spoilers about shows that just aired or theories you may have as opposed to real spoilers like what will happen in the next few episodes, or who is coming back to the show, etc.

stop being a baby... if you dont want to see spoilers dont come into a thread about a show after it has aired

not to mention the thread title says there will be spoilers

See if you REALLY like the show, or any show, I believe that reading the spoilers for say the finale before the episode has aired is not only stupid, but defeats a lot of what being engaged in a show is all about, especially this show.

I think anyone who posts spoilers about an episode that has yet to air is a big, universally known 'no no'. At least for me it is. But yeah, if you feel you have to live up to the name of spoiling it, by all means please tag it.

What I mean is, this thread is about the theories we all have as the show progresses as well as discussing episodes that have been aired. Anyone who is not up to date should really get up to date before reading the current posts here.

I'm not trying to make rules or say how it has to be around here, just wanna walk LOST as its shown :)

I'm fairly sure every single one of you is agreeing with each other here, he was asking for spoiler tags for the last episodes title if it was posted.

I love the little code names Cuse and Co give each season finale, like season 4 was 'The Frozen Donkey Wheel' and season 3, 'The Rattlesnake in the Mailbox' lol

It actually says there will be spoliers.

Well here is a recap of the podcast for those of you who want to know (Spoiler warning about upcoming episodes and finale title) highlight to see

- Possibility of more "storms" will be happening. Storm is a metaphor. Confirmed the Black Rock was the same ship from last season
- 'The Package' is related to Sun/Jin sideways
- Carlton said Kate's horse wasn't MIB after Damon joked about it.
- They confirmed there were other people before Richard, hence the Statue
- Confirmed Libby will be back and questions will be answered about her
- Highly likely that Desmond will pop up in the current timeline or the sideways in the next few episodes
- There will be more cop Sawyer/Miles scenes
- Near future, one of the characters will be asking someone whether the MIB can only take the form of dead people, and whether Dave was really or not.. an answer will be provided.
- Possible that MIB is telling the truth, and Jacob is lying..
-The title of the finale is "The End"

Yeah, that's what I had my little breakdown over last week (or 2 weeks ago). Can't see how they will connect anything/everything beyond saying "Jacob brought them there".

I was hoping we'd get to see a lot of the island's past in this Richard-centric episode but we didn't. I'd guess that the finale will include flashbacks of Jacob and MiB so we should see some history there.

Dunno Dharma were tapping into all the masses of "energy" or what not under the surface so they detected this build up but didn't know what it was?

DHARMA were part of a chain of events that lead to what we are at now. Their entire existence is what bought Oceanic 815 to the Island, as well as being another group of people bought to the Island as part of Jacob's overall message and plan. Without them, nothing would be what it is now. They are part of the big picture, like everyone and everything else.

I mean if you back track to what we thought was a massive mystery and importance when we were watching season 1, the hatch was one of those things, when really, it was something so much smaller than so many other things. I still get pissed off when the season 1 finale ended with just the lid coming off.

Hmm....Massive pockets of energy under island....evil perhaps?

ok, now it's actually starting to make sense because I forgot Jacob has been watching Jack and co since they were born.

So it does make sense that Jacob knew of the chain of events that would happen to cause Oceanic to land. But here's my question now, when do you think Jacob put this whole plan into action? That's crazy to even think about

Yeah, this is pretty much along the lines I was thinking.

Dharma were brought to the island to do their experiments, eventually tapping into a pocket of energy that would require a button to be pressed every 108 minutes. Desmond was then brought to the island to ensure that he would miss pushing the button, thus causing 815 to crash.

I wonder though, if everyone that came to the island was touched by Jacob before arriving as our main characters have been. Or is there something overtly special about this latest batch of candidates that made Jacob take the trip. And how did he make those trips off island anyway!?

Jacob had to be watching every single person he wanted to bring to that island I think. Well at least the important ones. I mean, there was a lot of Dharma and Others and most were probably just pawns that had no significance whether they were there or not.

But yea, how far does this whole plan go back

Blows my mind to think this show was all about survival and such when it first started, and freaky shit in the jungle. And now we've come to time travel, atomic bombs, guys who don't age and shape shifting.

Amazing how far it's all come.

Yeah. I remember the days of the first season... this is totally not what I signed on for when I started to watch the show, but I'm enjoying the ride.

I remember thinking Locke was some pedophile old man at first because of his interactions with Walt.

But how does it "make sense" that Jacob would know the exact sequence of events? Can he see the future? If so, why bother writing all those names on the wall/lighthouse dial if he knew that the only ones he really needed were Shepherd, Ford, Kwon, Reyes, etc.

gates of hell perhaps?

if the finale of this show doesnt turn into DOOM ima be pissed

Yeah the pockets of energy are still very much a big mystery. Faraday I think it was said that the energy pocket at The Swan site was hundreds of thousands times more powerful than that of the one under The Orchid, and that one had the power of time travel!

I had read about the Vile Vortices years ago since I am into the paranormal, and they are about 12 supposed areas around the globe that are said to contain geological anomalies, Bermuda Triangle type shit. It's a well chosen theory used in such a good way lol.

Vile Vortices refers to a claim that there are twelve roughly evenly distributed geographic areas that are alleged by Ivan Sanderson to have the same mysterious qualities[specify] popularly associated with the Bermuda Triangle.[citation needed]
The best-known of these are the Bermuda Triangle itself, the Devil's Sea near Japan and the South Atlantic Anomaly.[citation needed]
Paul Begg, in a series of articles for The Unexplained magazine, criticized the methodology of writers on the subject of unexplained disappearances. He checked original records of the alleged incidents. Often, he found, the ships which were claimed to have 'mysteriously disappeared' had a mundane reason for their loss (see for instance Raifuku Maru). Some were lost in storms, although the vortex writers would claim that the weather was fine at the time. In other cases, locations of losses were changed to fit the location of the vortex. Sometimes no record of the ship even existing in the first place was found.



If you look at where they are placed on the world grid, I think you'll find things fall into place with regard to one of them being halfway between Australia and the States (The Island) and another in Africa (the Exit point when one turns the frozen donkey wheel) :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rtices_Map.png

I'm not so sure if it's a dead set plan. Although he has a plan, it's more a game of chess where the players also play their role based on their ultimate good or bad nature. A plan, a gamble, a leap of faith.

He has the ability to summon/bring people to the Island - we know that.

He has the ability to 'choose'/pass on a gift to those he chooses to bring to the Island - we know that.

But the people he chooses and others are what Faraday referred to as 'the variables'. They have the power through free choice to shape destiny. I don't think Jacob or the MIB are as all knowing or powerful as it is made out. The Island has some kind of authority power and rules that they both have to follow. I just don't think he know of all the events and exactly how they would occur, but that he had a hand in it.

It would seem that the earliest so far that he put his plan into action would be the arrival of The Black Rock/Richard, who would later go on to meet Locke in the 50's, as well as Faraday, bury the bomb, recruit Ben - which all sparked off multiple chains of events.

Yeah this kinda relates to the question I always used to think of, what kind of power/reason creates a point in time where all these chosen people are met in the right place at the right time for their arrival to happen?

Not too sure if he touched them all. Some of it must of been down to luck/fate/whatever, going back the variable idea. I would go as far to say the real 'Constant' is The Island and time/space/existence comes second to it. But if you go here and look at the 'names and bearings' section http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Lighthouse you will see there are tons of names of characters who Jacob has been keeping an eye on.

But yeah, ultimately, these 6 are his chosen fighters I think. And he either used the Orchid Station, his own power or some other way to get off Island, must be part of his power.

I said it would've gone back to The Black Rock, but thinking over that....MIB was looking for his plan, his loophole AFTER Richard joined up with Jacob.

Which makes me think crazy ideas like --- If Jacob knew who was going to land on the Island - since he 'chose' them prior to that, then he must either have some kind of future seeing ability or be in tuned with the MIB in someway because MIB also chose Locke as his loophole - so one of them is akin to the other's thoughts? - maybe Jacob and MIB are the dark and the light making up one ultimate entity? fuck it, soooo much still to explain.

Because if he hadn't left the writings on the wall, Sawyer wouldn't of been able to have seen it. Even though it was with MIB, at that point he was told he was important, whatever that means yet, I don't know.

Its just a small example of what I mean, but I really can't articulate it very well at this point.

MY head is spinning.

Do you remember the websites they would put up for the online puzzle? I think the Hanso Foundation one showed cities located in these areas on a map. I'm not sure though.

yea, that map is interesting. good find

I also remember around that time that they were dissecting the meaning of the Dharma logo. Let me go find that post, it was years ago.

Nvm, just looked at it now and it's not that significant.

It is hilarious to read our own thoughts on the show so early on though.

Speaking of the Hanso foundation, did anyone catch the name of the slave ship captain?

Thought that was a nice touch.

Magnus Hanso. Think he was mentioned at the auction Widmore bought the ship's log or whatever at, the one where Desmond turned up.

Magnus Hanso is the grandfather of Alvar Hanso, who funded the Dharma Initiative.

this.

Plus he's mentioned on the blast door map as his resting place being next to the black rock.

FYI I love the blast door map

Sun and Jin die before the seasons end

DESMOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :love:

Knew it was Desmond from the moment Sawyer first saw the door a few episodes back.

Yeah I called it in one of my posts on that week also.

How do they keep fucking making these episodes so god damn awesome....so good!

OK, so Widmore was asked by Jin HOW he was going to stop the MIB and Widmore's answer is Desmond. Not really sure how this will come to be - but I swear to GOD, when I was watching season 3, and Desmond was flashing through time, I said to everyone I was with and friends who watch the show that when it comes down to it, Desmond will be the key to saving everyone. I think it all goes back to when he turned the fail safe key, he is still unstuck in time, or at least has the ability to be in two places (realities/times lines) as everyone else. And right now, all I can think about is that he will convince or manage to get the John Locke in the alternate reality to make another plane trip. The Island grabs them both, and the two Locke's are merged, bringing back to life the John Locke we all know and love, and simply reducing the MIB to smoke or another form. I dunno. It's gonna be something big whatever Desmond gets up to.

But will he do it willingly? I believe he would/will if/once he is told about the situation. But Widmore is a fucking moron, cussing him down all the time, telling him in season 5 that the business of the island had nothing to do with him, little did he realise how significant he is.


I was also very pleased to see Mikhail, lol still manages to lose an eye.

Too bad for Sun getting shot, fortunately I don't give a fuck about her or that alternate timeline really, I mean its cool, but until we know the significance of it, its second priority right now.

But yeah, VERY GOOD episode, probably my second fav under The Substitute, 8/10.

Yeah I'm the same about the sideways reality. I mean yeah it's interesting and all, and good to see some older characters back but what 's the point of it all. Right now it's just kind of at the same level as it was when you would see one of the losties in someone elses flashbacks.

Like "hey cool that's Sawyer walking into Christian and Ana Lucias car". Like now it's just "hey cool, Mikhail... so get back to the main timeline now"

Wondering what all the mirror stuff is about though. If there's any significance to it at all.

There is, I watched Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof (sp?) on either Jimmy Kimmel or another show/interview say that the two realities are connected, and that we have actually seen enough to figure out what, but when it becomes more clear, there is something linking the two or something like that that will bring them together. At this point in time, the only guesses I got is Locke, in the new reality, been taken back to the current Island reality and that having some effect/brining him back to life, but it probably won't be ANYTHING like that.

And, also, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, I just saw this and I am freaking out like a proper fan boy geek prick shit twat fucking NEXT WEEKS IS GONNA BE SOOOO FUCKING EPIC..

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Since season 2, Desmond has been one of my top fave characters, as well as Locke and Ben.

Love the bagpipes

I really like the actor who plays Keamy. He really plays the dickhead chracter perfectly

I remember reading an article back when Series 4 had justt finished praising the Keamy character. Basically saying that while only a relatively minor bad guy in the scheme of things, he portrayed the evil that can exist brilliantly.

He is also funny. When he told Mikhail to turn around as he was dying lol.

I like the alternate reality. It is kind of showing the possibilities and how those people would have been connected even if they hadn't come to the island. Well, actually.. you have to think of it from this standpoint - If time travel is involved, we don't really know from what point in time people on the island have come from. The past.. future.. doesn't matter.. When the island was destroyed by the nuke, it pretty much stopped all chain of events in the past from ever happening.. even BEFORE the island was nuked.. Anything done on Jacob's behalf didn't happen in the alternate (that we know of so far) so it changed EVERYTHING. Butterfly effect gone crazy pretty much... That's why it's not just those 'turning points' for characters that are changed, and some of them seem to be pretty starkly different people (Hurley for instance.. Sawyer especially).

I'm almost willing to bet that Richard does not exist anymore in the alternate timeline. He is most likely dead.

But we know something is not right.. we could see it in Jack every time he got mildly confused about things, or forgot things that happened to him.

Idk.. I don't know what is going on, but I like the alternate reality. Seeing how 'fate' was going to bring certain people together regardless.

Who has all been connected so far in the Alternate Reality?

We've seen Rose and Locke, Jin and Sayid, Jack and Locke, Kate and Sawyer, Claire and Kate, Saywer and I believe Miles, Ben and Alex...

Hurley and Locke also.

Arnzt and Ben (and Locke technically) even though Arnzt isn't really a main character.. kinda funny seeing him again.

I kind of think the things in the alternate reality aren't really coincidences for the people that went to the island. Keamy dying, Mikhail shot in the eye, and all the interactions between the Losties. Maybe a form of course correction.

I dunno if it's course correction. It's like Sun bumping her head and not being able to speak English - where in the alternate reality, she did not learn to speak English 'Course connection'?

Another thing I was thinking about - Widmore told Locke when he turned the wheel and was in the real world during season 5, that Locke needed to be back on the Island, because 'a war was coming', and that Locke needs to be back on the Island, otherwise the wrong side will win. I guess he didn't know or was aware of MIB's plan. But more to the point, I think it highlights and further supports the idea that MAYBE Jacob knew what was going to happen and that his plan coincides with Widmore's (Jacob KNEW Widmore was coming to the Island) and that what's occurring is exactly what he wants to happen. Yet the master plan largely depends on the 6 candidates choice of action and what destiny they really believe to be theirs.

You have to ask yourself what the alternate reality stories have in common. It seems to me they all show how life could have been better for passengers, or at least is showing them in situations where they have the oppurtunity to right what bothers them so much.

i thought sun learnt english back in korea? i figured she was just feigning not knowing, like she did at first on the island.

She only learnt English though because she was leaving Jin to go live in America.

In the alternate reality her and Jin are happy together (albeit not married)

Exactly, so her losing her ability to speak English mirrors the other reality where she did not learn it.

Did you notice when she was looking in the mirror before she answered the door for Keamy? she looked like she noticed something, or something was up, to me it looked like she was looking at her forehead, and she just knocked it herself out to next week on the Island, it was like she saw or felt the injury should be there too. Jack has also done this, in the episode LA X, he notices a cut on him in the mirror, and he sees the scar from when his appendix was taken out, not knowing if he should have it missing in that reality, he asks his mother. He had it taken on Island by Juliet.

JAck and Dogen

she learned english before because she was planning on leaving jin and going to america because she was unhappy. In the new reality, she was not married to jin and they went to america because her father wanted jin dead.

too slow

They didn't go to America because Sun's father wanted Jin dead. They didn't even know that he knew about them as a couple. They went to America because Jin was told to deliver the watch and money, not realising it was for his own death. Sun didn't even know she or he was in danger either. Jin also suggested Sun was there just for a shopping trip.

I don't think that matters, like I said, she lost the use of English on the Island because in the alternate reality, she did not learn it at all.

Isn't that what Reavant said but in more detail?

Mr Paik sent Jin to America with the watch and money for Keamy. Keamy would receive his payment and then do the job. I know you understand that, you just wrote it. But so did Reavant.

I read about the loss of her english (and other connections) being something "bleeding through" from the alternate reality on Vozzek's "Things I Noticed..." from the DarkUFO website. Don't suppose you did too?

I guess I took what Reavant said in a way that suggested Sun and Jin went to America because they knew Sun's father wanted him dead. My bad.

I read about the losing English/not learning it idea off a LOST forum I go on. As far as her noticing something in the mirror, the 'bleeding through', I connected and formed my own opinion on that because I remember Jack noticing a scratch and his scar.

What I said in my previous post about course correction - I didn't mean it how it had been used before where a person who is supposed to die will always have to die, but just kind of the same concept. Couldn't think of what to call it, but I guess realities leaking together makes more sense. I was wondering why one reality would affect the other in such a way. That is what I meant when I said it could be another form of course correction - the cause of the realities leaking together.

what is this other forum. Links, I want to read up on this stuff

Oh here is some more "bleeding through" I thought of.

Remember when in season one locke couldnt climb to the plane, so boone went? Like he lost the ability to walk and couldnt stand.

Then he got shot in the leg in the same place in season 5.

Coincidence?

I would say that's definitely a link and connection yes.

But another similar situation that I think is more significant is the fact that he fell down the well on-island and broke the fuck out of his leg. This was a way of The Island taking away his ability to walk so that once again, in the real world, he was bound to a wheel chair.

Just need to decode what all these things mean I guess.

I kind of want to watch the earlier episodes this season to see if there is more links that we missed

yea, that's what I've been wanting to do. Look for little shit. Like I learned yesterday that the girl who was bit by that spider or whatever and was buried alive appeared in a later episode for like 30 seconds on a game show that was on TV someone was watching.

so speaking of the "bleeding through" ... sun was shot in the stomach in the alternate reality. Im wondering why nothing else happened to her in real time

There's always been little bits like that though. It's not new to this season. For example, you can see Hurley when he won the lottery on the TV in Korea during a Jin/Sun flashback way back in season 1 I think.

One of the best things about LOST is trying to work out what is important and what is just thrown in there. For example, I was thinking on the end of season 4 when Locke turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel and the island completely disappeared. That never sat right with me. If the island moved in time it wouldn't move physically from 2004...unless of course it had sunk in 1977.

Problem is I can't work out what that means, what are the rammifications for the rest of the show if there is a direct link there.

There's definately something in these "Moments In The Mirror" this season. Each character has a moment of reflection - seemingly remembering something - when looking in a mirror. Sun in this latest episode, Jack on the plane in the season opener, Locke in the bathroom when he decides not to contact Jack, etc.

Yet....

edit: This is to Reavant. Maybe that bullet catches up to Sun.

And maybe by making the choice in one reality to help Alex, helped change ben to come back to Ilana.

The Island didnt move in time, just the losties.....but the Island dis vanish....So its like so confusing. ALso, they need to explain why they were dislodged in time.

Or were they dislodged in reality?

Well, yeah, the people are moving but that makes even less sense as to why the island itself disappeared. Unless it was already sunk and this point.

I know that has been said before, but where did you remember this from? - I personally don't believe that it was just the losties who moved in time, I believe it was the Island, but not the Island as a piece of land, as an entity. So whenever it moved back in the past, way back, things like the statue were standing, camps were not there, other people were there etc (remember in season 5, early episode, possibly the first one, Sawyer and co were attacked by people with flaming arrows. I don't think they were The Others, I believe that were the primitive people who actually built the statue and made all the Hieroglyphics on the walls)


There are other inconsistencies that I can't get my head around, here is a question/situation that I cannot figure out...

- During season 2, we saw that the losties were getting drops from Dharma, food, supplies etc, all labelled, with a parachute. So why would they still be getting supply drops in 2004 when Dharma had long since been purged?

- At the same time, Eloise Hawking revealed to the people who went back that the reason why they were never rescued was because THE ISLAND was constanty moving?!?

....yet no flashes, no one going mental or dying from the headaches, yet somehow, a plane with supplies managed to drop off supplies???!

Give it time?

OK Kano, good shit.

So if Ben spinning the donkey wheel sinks the island, what about when locke does it?

Well I assumed that the Dharma people would know where to drop supplies, as they know where the island would be, as they made the Lamppost station.

Now why they would stil be gettign supplies 12 years after the purge, I have no idea.

Good point. I forgot that DHARMA made the Lamp Post, mainly because Eloise was the leader of 'The Others'. There is something significant about her purely for the fact that when Desmond was traveling through time in season 3 (Flashes Before Your Eyes), she KNEW what he was meant to do, and taught us, the viewer, about 'Course Correction'. To me that is major because she is someone or part of something bigger at work that knows whats meant to happen, yet she existed in the past when Desmond was slipping in and out of time.

Because Locke didn't actually turn it, he just put it back on it's axis, it was dislodged and that's why the time shifts were occurring. Ben can't even turn a wheel properly.

Hold up.

We don't know that Ben turning the wheel sank the island. All we know is that the time shift occured due to the wheel being turned. It's been assumed that the submerged island we saw at the stat of this season was as a result of Jughead being exploded next to the pocket of energy. We arrive at this assumption due to what we see on the sunken island - it looks like 1970's island.

^yeah that

Also, pretty sure the supply drops were due to the 108 minute thing.. that's why they never saw or heard the drop. They were inside their 'bubble' so to speak at the time. All that had to happen was an original drop had to take place, and then they could recycle that event every 108 minutes.

Of course, that's an "old school" LOST theory that I am unsure about now, as I'm not sure what parts of that theory are still legit now with this and last season's events.

Are you saying there was a supply drop every 108 minutes?

I think he means due to the clock hitting 00:00 and turning to the symbols.

I suppose that does sound a bit much.

It was a theory going around on timelooptheory way back, about the inhabitants of the island living the same 108 minutes over and over again.. Just THEY did things differently.

As I said.. not sure what parts of that theory are still sound anymore.

Actually, I think this may still be partially correct.

Basically, Desmond was pushing the button every 108 minutes and 'resetting' the island. The island was stuck in its own 'time', reliving those 108 minutes over and over again.

Like a broken record.

It's why Locke knew when it was going to rain exactly on cue.

But then, it got stopped.. and the island suddenly started moving through time normally again.

Alright, so I've somewhat been keeping up with this thread and haven't seen this covered, but forgive me if it has. Or even if I'm just completely off.

If Jack showed us that the candidates can't die, then how could Locke? Would it just be because he was off island at the time? But even then it would seem as if the island's "will" extends beyond itself.

that means it would rain ever 108 minutes.

Think not

It doesn't anymore. Also, I think it is based on WHERE on the island you are, as to how much time really goes by.

That is part of what Faraday was doing with his test with the rocket when he got there. Trying to find the point with the least delay.

I don't know how or where you could suggest that Desmond pressing the button every 108 min kept them in a loop-hole record thing.

The broken record analgy was used by Farraday to illustrate the Wheel being off its axis, going back and forth through time.

'Blowing the dam' was said by Kelvin to Desmond with regard to the use and function of turning the fail-safe key. Pressing the button was a way of keeping the pressure on the dam, although it was also explained as releasing a small amount of power so that it didn't overflow as it were.

And which time are you talking about Locke knowing when it was going to rain? before or after he was possessed by the MIB or after? because he has done it a few times in the early seasons, and even if it was after (as MIB), he has a connection to the Island and it's nature. The creators have also said that rain/storms are akin, linked and represent the MIB.

Yeah, that 108 minute loop theory doesn't really hold any water anymore (pun intended).

It's an odd one for sure.

We've seen instances where certain individuals can't die because "the island won't let them" as it isn't done with them yet. See Michael's off island experiences for reference.

Then again, as you note, Locke died and he was off-island like Michael. Could it have something to do with another candidate (Ben) killing him?

I think this just shows that Locke had played his part.

They can't kill themselves. Doesn't mean someone else can't do it.

Not really 'not letting them die'. I think that is a misconception. I think ANYONE can die. They just can't kill themselves.

Thought "can't kill themselves" applied to just Richard though, as part of his deal with Jacob? Though you're probably right, since no ones actually gone through with trying to kill themselves (I think), it'd be a little hard to prove that wrong